International Hockey Discussion Thread (OOC, version II)

by **Fluvannia** » Mon Mar 08, 2021 12:27 am

Grey County wrote:Can we find a way to incorporate WJHC results into ranks?

I did this but in reverse to establish a way to rank teams for the pots in WJHC 15, but that's because we only really had one WJHC anywhere close to recently before that to pull stats from.

I figured going forward I can just keep the same system used for the senior ranking to create one for the juniors.

by **Cassadaigua** » Mon Mar 08, 2021 6:09 am

Grey County wrote:Can we find a way to incorporate WJHC results into ranks?

Adamantly against this. Junior success is absolutely no indicator of the ability of the senior team. Plus some nations RP their junior teams differently, for me, it is all about player development, and not as much wins and losses.

This would also "obligate" highly ranked hockey nations to participate in junior hockey, which shouldn't happen. I'm sitting this out because I can't do seemingly 500 competitions at once in the normal post-World Cup flurry. I should be able to have this option without impacting the rank of my senior team, even if that impact was only others passing me.

by **Banija** » Mon Mar 08, 2021 6:31 am

I agree with what Cass said above. We should not incorporate youth success into ranking senior sides. I like what Fluvannia used as a rank for the Juniors only, but that's an entirely different situation. Youth tournaments are not always great indicators of success at the senior level. Plus, IMO, from an IC perspective, any tournament that contributes to senior level ranks, you should be able to use senior level talent.

Not a bad proposal though! While I disagree with the idea, always good to re-visit and question why we do things the way we do them periodically. It makes sure we regularly think these things through.

by **Fluvannia** » Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:25 am

Banija wrote:I agree with what Cass said above. We should not incorporate youth success into ranking senior sides. I like what Fluvannia used as a rank for the Juniors only, but that's an entirely different situation. Youth tournaments are not always great indicators of success at the senior level. Plus, IMO, from an IC perspective, any tournament that contributes to senior level ranks, you should be able to use senior level talent.

Not a bad proposal though! While I disagree with the idea, always good to re-visit and question why we do things the way we do them periodically. It makes sure we regularly think these things through.

My use was predicated on the assumption that senior-level talent implies an ability to develop talent -- and from an OOC perspective, I felt like basing 15's seeding on 14's results only felt a little flimsy...

Like I said though, with multiple tournaments now, 14/15/16 can be used with the same sheet layout/formulas to develop a juniors-only ranking to mirror the senior ranks.

by **Banija** » Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:16 pm

Sorry for the delay, but we have WCoH Federation membership.

We have three new members, posting at least a roster and RP in WCoH XL & XLI.

Graintfjall/Græntfjall
New Waldensia
Quebec

All members of the WCoH Federation maintain their membership for the WCoH XLII cycle.

The following nations, as former WCoH hosts, have not rostered in WCoH XL or XLI, and will be dropped off the Federation membership list if they do not at least roster in WCoH XLII.

Free Republics
Kita Hinode

The following nations who are not former WCoH hosts did not roster in WCoH XLI, and will be dropped off the Federation membership list if they do not at least roster in WCoH XLII.

Sarzonia
St Saratoga
Trolleborg

Last, but not least, the following nations, having rostered and RP'd in WCoH XLI, will join the Federation membership list if they both roster and RP at WCoH XLII.

Elejamie
Flekkejford
Nova Anglicana
Ranoria
Transvolcanic

Which leaves our present WCoH Federation list as the following

by **Sel Appa** » Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:02 pm

Greetings, loved ones.

Looks like I havent posted in over half a decade. :lol2:

by **Fluvannia** » Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:02 pm

Junior Hockey Rankings are updated.

I've also gone back through and corrected WJHC 14 point totals, as I must have looked at people's records -- I didn't realize S&T used 3 points for a win there.

As a result, I do pass Anthor as I predicted, but don't move into second -- Nova Anglicana jumps both of us

(I'm actually the only one to have an unchanged rank.) Props to Delaclava for started ranked 8th, not too shabby. :lol:

by **Delaclava** » Fri Mar 19, 2021 8:10 am

Fluvannia wrote:Junior Hockey Rankings are updated.

I've also gone back through and corrected WJHC 14 point totals, as I must have looked at people's records -- I didn't realize S&T used 3 points for a win there.

As a result, I do pass Anthor as I predicted, but don't move into second -- Nova Anglicana jumps both of us :P (I'm actually the only one to have an unchanged rank.) Props to Delaclava for started ranked 8th, not too shabby. :lol:

Thanks for putting this together Fluv! This certainly beats making up these composite WCoH-WJHC rankings as "start values". I am sure these will remain useful as we continue to run WJHC's regularly :)

by **Srednjaci** » Fri Mar 19, 2021 9:02 am

Fluvannia wrote:Junior Hockey Rankings are updated.

I've also gone back through and corrected WJHC 14 point totals, as I must have looked at people's records -- I didn't realize S&T used 3 points for a win there.

As a result, I do pass Anthor as I predicted, but don't move into second -- Nova Anglicana jumps both of us (I'm actually the only one to have an unchanged rank.) Props to Delaclava for started ranked 8th, not too shabby.

Srednjaci on 14th place, not bad at all

by **Fluvannia** » Fri Mar 19, 2021 11:18 am

Delaclava wrote:Thanks for putting this together Fluv! This certainly beats making up these composite WCoH-WJHC rankings as "start values". I am sure these will remain useful as we continue to run WJHC's regularly

Quite welcome! That was the plan, I figured if no one else was going to put them together, I could.

Srednjaci wrote:Srednjaci on 14th place, not bad at all

Not one bit! Several new teams had good starts, I’m glad to see it.

by **World Cup of Hockey Federation** » Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:19 pm

Big congratulations to Siovanija & Teusland on his third straight title! And comiserations to Valanora on her loss in the Final. It's been a great run at WCoH 42.

And a big thank you to Graint for running this tourney flawlessly! 13 matchdays in the group stage are long, and can be tough on any host, but he handled it well, and I enjoyed all of these prompts and reading people's responses to them and what not.

See y'all at 43

by **Graintfjall** » Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:36 pm

Thanks to everyone for participating. Very good rate of rosters and RPing throughout. Congrats to the ampersands for winning their finals.

FWIW, there were by my calculations ~2.66 goals scored per game in the group stage. Still a little lower than NHL average (I don't consider IIHF a good comparison as blowout games against extremely weak nations skew the results) but closer to something realistic than with NSFS. Not accounting for style modifiers, of course. There were a couple of wacky results (CDG-TJU, S&T-Q&S) but out of over 300 matches that's not a bad return.

by **Quebec and Shingoryeo** » Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:21 pm

Congratulations to Siovanija and Teusland for his threepeat, and Commiserations to Valanora for an excellent run as well.

Also, massive shoutout to Graintfjall for hosting an excellent tournament. Excellent work with prompts and IC information.

From what I have checked with the past tournaments, we may have reached another very high point of activity level in hockey with 267 posts. Sure, there have been quite a few tournaments in early-twenties where there have been more posts, per se, but those were the times when the playoffs were mostly run under series format. There were also more teams signing up for WCoHs, with a couple of tournaments hitting 56, 60 or 64 teams.

These days, especially as we have shifted towards single-match knockout rounds in this era of shorter turnarounds, those figures are very hard to achieve. But we have done it, and lots of great work were put together in the end. Brilliant news for sure, and the shoutout has to go out to both chairs of WCoHF and most importantly, Graint. Bravo!

by **Siovanija and Teusland** » Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:06 am

Huge thanks to Graintfjall for hosting - excellent to see the participation so high as well, and I think a lot of it came down to the RP prompts. I had a storyline going, but it was nice when I had nothing to write on that end to have some interesting worldbuilding ideas to sink into.

Commiserations to Valanora, who as always played an excellent tournament! And thank you to everybody above for the congratulations. Looking forward to seeing everyone next time for what should be another great tournament.

by **Sarzonia** » Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:32 am

Congrats S&T, commiserations to Valanora (I was hoping she'd win so I could say I gave the champs hell in two games!), and thanks to Graintfjall for a well-run tournament!

I didn't love the massively long group stage, but it grew on me as it gave me a chance to work on a few things.

I wouldn't vote against a tournament with that format, but it wouldn't be my first choice. Having said that, Graintfjall is one of the hosts I would feel comfortable with running a tournament even if it's a format I don't like.

by **World Cup of Hockey Federation** » Tue Jun 29, 2021 6:27 am

Per usual, signups for the WCoH will open toward the end of the World Juniors, to ensure the two tournaments do not overlap. SO a couple of weeks, but keep an eye open for that if you want to bid.

Also, it'll be the end of my current term as President/Valanora's as Vice President at the end of the upcoming WCoH. Further information will come as signups come, but think about that too as you consider who to nominate for the role.

by **Ontorisa** » Tue Jun 29, 2021 6:43 am

Hey y'all, sorry for the inactivity.

I'm gonna be moving the International Hockey Transfer Database over from Google Docs into Microsoft Excel, just because it's much more flexible and easier for me to design the spreadsheet properly.

If anyone has anything they want added into it, either reply to this message, or message me on NS or on Discord.

EDIT: Additionally, I could put a couple of additional tabs in where we can put the rankings.

by **Ontorisa** » Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:52 am

Alright, the updated version is done. Lemme know what you guys think!

by **World Cup of Hockey Federation** » Thu Jul 15, 2021 12:21 pm

WCoH Signups are open.

It'll probably take me a day or two to make sure membership stuff is settled, but we're also going to run WCoH Presidential elections at the same time as signups, as my term as President and Valanora's as Vice President will expire. Follow along here in this thread for further announcements on that.

by **World Cup of Hockey Federation** » Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:09 pm

Big thank you to Graint for streaming the process. Alas, we have WCoH Federation membership.

We have three new members, posting at least a roster and RP in WCoH XLI & XLII.

Elejamie
Nova Anglicana
Ranoria

The following nations, as former WCoH hosts, did not roster in WCoH XL, XLI, or XLII, and as a result have lost their WCoH Federation membership.

Free Republics
Kita Hinode

The following nations who are not former WCoH hosts did not roster in WCoH XLI or XLII, and as a result have lost their WCoH Federation membership.

St Saratoga
Trolleborg

The following nations are former WCoH hosts who did not roster in WCoH XLII. If they do not roster in either WCoH XLIII or XLIV, then they will lost their Federation membership.

Anthor
Taeshan

The following nations are not former WCoH hosts who did not roster in WCoH XLII. If they do not roster in WCoH XLIII, then they will lose their federation membership.

New Waldensia
Terre Septentrionale
Neu Engollon

Last, but not least, the following nations, having rostered and RP'd in WCoH XLII, will join the Federation membership list if they both roster and RP at WCoH XLII.

Kriegiersien
Le Choix
Waisnor
Delaclava
Pius Desurongcrandis
Srednjaci
Mapletish
Suimede
North Alezia
Islands of Ventro

Which leaves our present WCoH Federation list as the following

With all that out of the way....

by **World Cup of Hockey Federation** » Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:14 pm

Presidential Elections

As is demanded by the Constitution every third cycle. See the spoiler in the post above for a list of WCoH Federation Members. Those are the members who can both put forward nominations and vote for the President of this organization.

See the following from our Constitution:

iii) Any WCoH Federation member may nominate any one other user for the position. Any user receiving more than two nominations will be considered a candidate. Anyone can decline to receive nominations.
iv) Any person receiving two nominations will be put in a vote. The winner of the vote is elected President, and the second place finisher shall serve as the vice-president. Only Federation members may vote.

Fairly self-explanatory. You can only nominate one other user. Obviously, only Federation Members are eligible to be nominated. Then, I will hold a vote. Nominations should be telegrammed to this account.

Presidential nominations are due on Wednesday, July 21st, at 10:00 PM EDT.

by **World Cup of Hockey Federation** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:23 pm

WCoH Presidential Vote

Members of the WCoH Federation, , are eligible to vote to elect the President of the World Cup of Hockey Federation for the next three cycles. The following nations received nominations.

Siovanija & Teusland(2)
Fluvannia(1)

Candidates need at least two nominations to be considered. Therefore, Siovanija & Teusland is the only candidate.

Therefore, all Federation members will be asked to vote on to accept Siovanija & Teusland as President. The options are as follows.

- Accept Siovanija & Teusland as President of the World Cup of Hockey Federation
- Reject Siovanija & Teusland as President of the World Cup of Hockey Federation

All votes should be TGed to Silver Beach by 11:59 PM EDT on Sunday, July 25th, 2021.

by **Fluvannia** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:03 pm

World Cup of Hockey Federation wrote:Fluvannia(1)

...Unexpected, but appreciated, whoever it was!

by **Fluvannia** » Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:34 pm

Updated Junior rankings for post-17

Notes:

Graintfjall, Srednjaci, and Atheara each rise 7 spots in the rankings, the highest of anyone. They now sit in 4th, 7th, and 21st, respectively.
By virtue of their gold medal, Eshialand is the highest-ranked newcomer to the board, slotting in at 6th.
Not counting the nations that dropped out of the ranks, Cassadaigua fell the farthest, from 29th to a tie for 48th (29 spots).
Nova Anglicana moves up one to take over the top spot from Kelssek, who drops to 5th.
A second consecutive silver moves Delaclava, fittingly, into 2nd.
For a third consecutive cycle, the Fluvannian team ends up 3rd overall.
Unlike last time however, the Fluvannians are not the only team to have no change in rank; Suimede and Sannyamathland stand pat in 22nd and 29th, respectively.

by **Quebec and Shingoryeo** » Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:55 pm

Fluvannia wrote:Updated Junior rankings for post-17

Notes:
Graintfjall, Srednjaci, and Atheara each rise 7 spots in the rankings, the highest of anyone. They now sit in 4th, 7th, and 21st, respectively.
By virtue of their gold medal, Eshialand is the highest-ranked newcomer to the board, slotting in at 6th.
Not counting the nations that dropped out of the ranks, Cassadaigua fell the farthest, from 29th to a tie for 48th (29 spots).
Nova Anglicana moves up one to take over the top spot from Kelssek, who drops to 5th.
A second consecutive silver moves Delaclava, fittingly, into 2nd.
For a third consecutive cycle, the Fluvannian team ends up 3rd overall.
Unlike last time however, the Fluvannians are not the only team to have no change in rank; Suimede and Sannyamathland stand pat in 22nd and 29th, respectively.

....in what earth am I given two different spots (9th and 24th)?

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