The World Bowl Discussion Thread (OOC, version II)

[Main Nation Ministry]

Is it possible I can still post something in the everything thread, even though the game is technically over? I hadn't had the chance to post much in the IC.

I REALLY frown on someone other than the champion posting the last IC post of a RP. Like I wish it were against the rules frown on it.

Congrats to Ko-oren on winning the title and to Del for doing such a great job as host!

I really want the chance to post something, since I didn't have the chance, due to summer classes.

[Drawkland]

Congrats to the Dragonflies on an underdog win!

Question though, I kinda expected more displays of offensive firepower in the playoffs (since we're dealing with the strongest teams here), so why are they such low scoring?

Ko-oren runs with a -5 style mod, so their matches are more likely to be defensive in nature. I am curious as to why their style was so overpowering regardless of their opponent's style, but we can probably just chalk that up to scorinator quirks.

[Ko-oren]

Thanks to everyone for making it a great tournament, and to Delaclava in particular for a perfect hosting job!

The -5 can have some strange effects, but it's very rare to see these effects in so many consecutive games. There's usually a few shootouts I'm involved in, but somehow all of my last 5 or so games were extremely low scoring. It makes sense ICly, so that's a good thing.

[Cassadaigua]

Hello, football fans!
I have been thinking that I will open up signups for the next World Bowl this coming weekend. This can get us rolling with the competition in early October. Sound good?

[Drawkland]

Hello, football fans!
I have been thinking that I will open up signups for the next World Bowl this coming weekend. This can get us rolling with the competition in early October. Sound good?

Sounds good! Also, I'll finish up the rankings once my half of WCQ scorination is over. They're nearly done, I think I had to finish the semis on from the double-elim.

I talked more about this during the tournament itself, but I think we may need to ignore the first loss in the double elimination format, or something along those lines. As it currently stands, every single team (besides Ko-oren obviously) is getting punished for making it past the first round of the playoffs, since they're getting an extra loss no matter what.

I don't know if I have the authority to make that call by myself but if so, I'm definitely going to do it. All the teams who made it past the round of 16 drop in the rankings once you include their double-elim results, even me and FFR.

[Banija]

I agree with both of the above posts.

[Delaclava]

I agree with both posts as well. When I created the format for XXXIX, it was never my intent that a team would be penalized for reaching that double elimination stage.

[Drawkland]

Alright, so I went and did the legwork for the rest of the ranks. Here's a direct comparison between ranks that would include BOTH double-elimination losses, and one that only includes a nation's wins and second loss (the one that eliminates them for good).

Both show the Top 25 and their raw rank number.

1	Free Republics  	22.44
2	Ranoria             	21.94
3	Ko-oren            	21.75
4	Main Nation Ministry	20.21
5	Allamunnic States	19.54
6	Drawkland        	19.39
7	Taeshan            	18.25
8	Cassadaigua      	18.01
9	Vangaziland       	17.98
10	Geektopia         	17.62
11	Newmanistan     	17.03
12	Terre Septentrionale   	16.15
13	Abanhfleft        	14.09
14	Torisakia           	12.86
15	Xanneria           	11.46
16	Delaclava          	10.91
17	New England     	10.60
18	Banija               	9.75
19	Inner AginanaUsordia	9.00
19	TJUN-ia            	9.00
21	The Greater Nordics	8.85
22	South Covello    	8.15
23	Velstrania         	8.14
24	Jeckland           	8.08
25	Karditan           	7.00
25	Saint Kanye       	7.00

1	Free Republics  	23.25
2	Ranoria             	21.94
3	Ko-oren            	21.75
4	Main Nation Ministry	20.21
5	Drawkland        	20.18
6	Allamunnic States	19.54
7	Taeshan            	19.21
8	Cassadaigua      	18.83
9	Vangaziland      	17.98
10	Newmanistan     	17.81
11	Geektopia         	17.62
12	Terre Septentrionale	16.15
13	Abanhfleft        	14.09
14	Torisakia            	13.60
15	Xanneria           	11.46
16	Delaclava          	10.91
17	New England     	10.60
18	Banija               	9.75
19	Inner AginanaUsordia	9.00
19	TJUN-ia             	9.00
21	The Greater Nordics	8.85
22	Jeckland           	8.75
23	South Covello    	8.15
24	Velstrania         	8.14
25	Karditan           	7.00
25	Saint Kanye       	7.00

I think the latter is fairer to the teams that actually managed to advance into the double-elimination playoff. Let me know any thoughts y'all have on the subject, though.

[Tikariot]

Is this gridiron national teams?

[TJUN-ia]

Is this gridiron national teams?

Yes

[Tikariot]

This looks like something I could join.

[Drawkland]

This looks like something I could join.

We'd be glad to have you! Just stick around, like Cass said, the signup thread will be coming up soon.

[Delaclava]

Alright, so I went and did the legwork for the rest of the ranks. Here's a direct comparison between ranks that would include BOTH double-elimination losses, and one that only includes a nation's wins and second loss (the one that eliminates them for good).

Both show the Top 25 and their raw rank number.

1	Free Republics  	22.44
2	Ranoria             	21.94
3	Ko-oren            	21.75
4	Main Nation Ministry	20.21
5	Allamunnic States	19.54
6	Drawkland        	19.39
7	Taeshan            	18.25
8	Cassadaigua      	18.01
9	Vangaziland       	17.98
10	Geektopia         	17.62
11	Newmanistan     	17.03
12	Terre Septentrionale   	16.15
13	Abanhfleft        	14.09
14	Torisakia           	12.86
15	Xanneria           	11.46
16	Delaclava          	10.91
17	New England     	10.60
18	Banija               	9.75
19	Inner AginanaUsordia	9.00
19	TJUN-ia            	9.00
21	The Greater Nordics	8.85
22	South Covello    	8.15
23	Velstrania         	8.14
24	Jeckland           	8.08
25	Karditan           	7.00
25	Saint Kanye       	7.00

1	Free Republics  	23.25
2	Ranoria             	21.94
3	Ko-oren            	21.75
4	Main Nation Ministry	20.21
5	Drawkland        	20.18
6	Allamunnic States	19.54
7	Taeshan            	19.21
8	Cassadaigua      	18.83
9	Vangaziland      	17.98
10	Newmanistan     	17.81
11	Geektopia         	17.62
12	Terre Septentrionale	16.15
13	Abanhfleft        	14.09
14	Torisakia            	13.60
15	Xanneria           	11.46
16	Delaclava          	10.91
17	New England     	10.60
18	Banija               	9.75
19	Inner AginanaUsordia	9.00
19	TJUN-ia             	9.00
21	The Greater Nordics	8.85
22	Jeckland           	8.75
23	South Covello    	8.15
24	Velstrania         	8.14
25	Karditan           	7.00
25	Saint Kanye       	7.00

I think the latter is fairer to the teams that actually managed to advance into the double-elimination playoff. Let me know any thoughts y'all have on the subject, though.

I don't know if the overall tells us too much, but I do agree with your conclusion. I certainly recall that some of the Round of 16 losers like myself had won more WB39 points by not losing twice which isn't fair. And to think of a case like Jeckland - unranked, managed to consistently RP and get through a tight group, then spring the upset of the tournament against Ranoria, only to get dinged for it?

I also think including both losses unnecessarily creates a bigger gap between the champion - who already gets credited with a perfect record regardless of how many losses they actually took - and the other teams in that competition.

[Drawkland]

I don't know if the overall tells us too much, but I do agree with your conclusion. I certainly recall that some of the Round of 16 losers like myself had won more WB39 points by not losing twice which isn't fair. And to think of a case like Jeckland - unranked, managed to consistently RP and get through a tight group, then spring the upset of the tournament against Ranoria, only to get dinged for it?

I also think including both losses unnecessarily creates a bigger gap between the champion - who already gets credited with a perfect record regardless of how many losses they actually took - and the other teams in that competition.

Yeah, this is what my thinking is. I mean, in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't change much except a few decimal points and some nations sliding down a couple slots (which I guess could throw someone in a lower pot on an edge case), but I feel like it'd be good to set a precedent.

All this has made me realize that, besides winning the World Bowl, the most important thing you can do for your rank is go undefeated in the group stage. If you do that, your end result in the playoffs doesn't matter as much, as far as retaining a rank. Just something to think about.

[Cassadaigua]

World Bowl XL signups are now open.

[Allamunnic States]

Swoot. Also, very belated congratulations to Ko-oren!

Hey, Cass, do you want me to reupload the World Bowl flag? I still have the image.

[Cassadaigua]

Swoot. Also, very belated congratulations to Ko-oren!

Hey, Cass, do you want me to reupload the World Bowl flag? I still have the image.

Yes, that would be great!

[Allamunnic States]

Swoot. Also, very belated congratulations to Ko-oren!

Hey, Cass, do you want me to reupload the World Bowl flag? I still have the image.

Yes, that would be great!

It's done!

[World Bowl]

World Bowl Assembly Update:

As a likely oversight by the former President due to being busy with the Olympics, there was never an update (that I could see) to the list of World Bowl Assembly members following World Bowl 39. Here is that update!

The current list of World Bowl Assembly Members is as follows: (26 Members)
Abanhfleft(Pridnestrovia)
Allamunnic States
Anthor
Banija
Cassadaigua
Cosumar*
Drawkland
Geektopia
Greater Nordics
HUElavia
Inner AginanaUsordia
Karditan
Ko-oren
Main Nation Ministry
Newmanistan
Ranoria
Saint Kanye
Saintland/Free Republics
South Covello
Taeshan
Terre Septentrionale
The Sarian
TJUN-ia
Transmondian Commonwealth of New England
Vangaziland
Xanneria

*- As a former host, Cosumar is allowed three consecutive World Bowls to not post a roster. They have not done so in 38 & 39, but did in 37.

Specifics on how we got to the above list:
Removed from list due to not posting a roster in both World Bowls 38 & 39:
Anthor

Risking removal from list if they do not post a roster during World Bowl 40:
Abanhfleft
Cosumar
Vangaziland

New Inclusions to the World Bowl Assembly, due to posting roster in World Bowl 38 & 39:
HUElavia
Inner AginanaUsordia
Karditan
Saint Kanye
The Sarian
TJUN-ia
Xanneria

Nations that posted roster in World Bowl 39 that will be added if they do the same in World Bowl 40:
Delaclava
Jeckland
Kohnhead
Krytenia
Lovisa
Mathuvan Union
Nagore
Northwest Kalactin
Royal Kingdom of Quebec
Sarzonia
Squidroidia
The Jovannic
Torisakia
Western Fardelshufflestein

Prior List of World Bowl Assembly Members:

Abanhfleft(Pridnestrovia)
Allamunnic States
Anthor
Banija
Cosumar
Cassadaigua
Drawkland
Geektopia
Greater Nordics
Ko-oren
Newmanistan
Main Nation Ministry
Ranoria
Saintland/Free Republics
South Covello (inheriting the spot of Gregoryisgodistan)
Taeshan
Terre Septentrionale (inheriting the spot of Union of Socialist Alpine Republics/Alpine Union)
Transmondian Commonwealth of New England
Vangaziland

[World Bowl]

HOST VOTE TIME!

We have one bid to host World Bowl 40: It is from Karditan

World Bowl Assembly Members (List here) please send your vote via TG to World Bowl (this account) by Sunday, October 4th.

The options are to vote FOR, to ABSTAIN, or to RE-OPEN BIDS

[World Bowl]

I would just like to remind or point out that this vote is only open to World Bowl Assembly members. A couple non-Assembly nations have sent a TG.

[World Bowl]

Host voting has concluded for World Bowl 40.

Of the six valid votes received (from WBA members), the tally was:
ACCEPT Karditan's Bid: 6
Re-open Bids: 0
Abstain: 0

Karditan will be the host for World Bowl 40. All decisions from this point are his regarding this tournament.

[Karditan]

And we're live!

[Karditan]

The group draw has been re-added to the OP, now accounting for GVH taking over Coraspia's spot and Velstrania's ranking.

[CoraSpia]

The group draw has been re-added to the OP, now accounting for GVH taking over Coraspia's spot and Velstrania's ranking.

Many thanks