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Postby Allamunnic States » Sun Dec 08, 2019 6:21 pm

We've had discussions like this before. Too much tip-toeing around other schedules is going to mean World Bowl XXXVIII happens sometime around March, which I dunno about you all, but to me that sounds pretty unappealing; we basically only had one World Bowl in 2019 (my bad), which, considering at our height we were reliably doing 3 editions or so per year, is pretty disappointing.

That said, that kind of coordinating is why I'm handing off presidential duties: quite simply, I'm a one-event guy for NS Sports, and I am not overly familiar with the other competitions' schedules at this point, nor do I frankly have much interest in re-familiarizing myself with them.

Besides, having the sign-ups up doesn't mean we can't delay the actual kick-off of the competition if we need to fudge it by a couple of weeks. If we were going to do a firm delay beyond what we've already had, I'd want a very firm time-frame for what it's being delayed to. Like, "I-can-put-this-in-my-calendar-and-get-it-rolling-on-that-exact-date" kind of firm. Because that's what I'd want to be able to do to avoid any further screw-ups on my part.
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:10 pm

Might as well jump back in for another go-round. I've been looking to get back into NS Sports but just missed the last WCoH signups by like a day, so here we are.
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Postby Banija » Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:34 pm

Kaboomlandia wrote:Might as well jump back in for another go-round. I've been looking to get back into NS Sports but just missed the last WCoH signups by like a day, so here we are.


Welcome back! A name I have not seen in a while :)
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:41 pm

Banija wrote:
Kaboomlandia wrote:Might as well jump back in for another go-round. I've been looking to get back into NS Sports but just missed the last WCoH signups by like a day, so here we are.


Welcome back! A name I have not seen in a while :)

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Postby St Saratoga » Tue Dec 24, 2019 8:26 am

What’s going on with this? Still waiting for a host bid or Presidential nominations/elections?
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Postby Free Republics » Tue Dec 24, 2019 9:33 am

St Saratoga wrote:What’s going on with this? Still waiting for a host bid or Presidential nominations/elections?


Both, as far as I can tell.

I'm available as an emergency host if necessary (and it looks like it'll probably be necessary). I would prefer if somebody else hosted though.

Regarding the presidency, is there anybody out there who actually wants to be the World Bowl president? I was aware that the current president's term had expired a while ago but hadn't brought it out because I was worried I'd end up with a 3rd term as your president (I'd serve if elected but I don't want to be World Bowl president again).
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Postby Banija » Tue Dec 24, 2019 10:14 am

I would be down to take the role of World Bowl President.

As the host of the last World Bowl, and considering my own CoH bid occurring on probably a similar timeline, I won't be bidding to host the next one.
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Postby St Saratoga » Tue Dec 24, 2019 1:10 pm

Free Republics wrote:
St Saratoga wrote:What’s going on with this? Still waiting for a host bid or Presidential nominations/elections?


Both, as far as I can tell.

--snip--.


Ok just wanted to make sure, saw everything kinda went dead and was curious if anything was up. Look forward to the World Bowl so I wanted to make sure to prod it ahead if needed XD. I would be interested as President well but definitely am not ready. Still don't understand some of the background behind managing that kind of stuff.

Banija wrote:I would be down to take the role of World Bowl President.

As the host of the last World Bowl, and considering my own CoH bid occurring on probably a similar timeline, I won't be bidding to host the next one.


I'd support you as President, definitely dedicated enough to serve the role well.
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Postby Free Republics » Tue Dec 24, 2019 3:04 pm

In that case, I nominate Banija for the presidency.
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Postby Newmanistan » Tue Dec 24, 2019 3:51 pm

We are overdue for a Presidential election here, as has been noted, but the current VP of the WBA is Cosumar. They have been mildly inactive on here (7 days), but should be the one calling for elections and nominations if not Allamunnic States. It's been two years since Cosumar became the VP, so they might not be aware that their input here would be beneficial if for nothing more then to give the blessing for someone like Banija (who I'd be happy to second) to receive nominations. Perhaps sending a TG to Cosumar would be good if they do not otherwise notice this thread.

We should move forward with the World Bowl host voting now, but I don't think any Presidential decisions should be made without either Allamunnic States or Cosumar supporting it.
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Postby St Saratoga » Tue Dec 24, 2019 5:24 pm

Yup, just trying to make sure the ball keeps rolling, or it’s posted that changes might be made since it seems like nobody in the Assembly was doing it. Making sure we are staying true to our posted deadlines.
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Postby Banija » Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:47 am

Ok so, I do have the password to the World Bowl account as the last host of the tournament. I've updated the signups.

Considering we've slow-walked the start of two tournaments in a row.... I'd volunteer, if people are cool with it, with running a host vote(probably starting towards the middle of next week), considering the general lack of activity from both the President and Vice President.

As for the Presidential election, I'm obviously a candidate, so I wouldn't want to just declare and facilitate the election. I'd for that propose that we have another senior member of the World Bowl Assembly(maybe Ko-oren, as our last host?) run that, since we're kind of in a bit of a spot that the Constitution can't take care of.

What are people's thoughts?
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Postby Sarzonia » Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:32 am

Perhaps we should add something to the constitution in the event both the president and the vice president become (relatively) inactive without prior announcement.

That would involve deciding what period of inaction would trigger things, sure, but it would at least bring some order to the proceedings.

As for the current situation, considering the length of time involved, we should at least hold a vote on the active bid and then turn things over to the host if he wins the vote for host.

And yes, we should at least consider holding an election for President and/or VP now.
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Postby Bolgano » Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:36 am

Sarzonia wrote:Perhaps we should add something to the constitution in the event both the president and the vice president become (relatively) inactive without prior announcement.

That would involve deciding what period of inaction would trigger things, sure, but it would at least bring some order to the proceedings.

As for the current situation, considering the length of time involved, we should at least hold a vote on the active bid and then turn things over to the host if he wins the vote for host.

And yes, we should at least consider holding an election for President and/or VP now.

That is a good idea, we will easily have to choose a new president and VP since it is the last thing that can be done in this case.
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Postby Ko-oren » Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:58 pm

I'm willing to run the vote, if necessary. Still, Cosumar is active (and has just posted yesterday and the day before), so I think we should first just ask if he could run the election or if he has different plans.

Per the Constitution, any amendments to the Constitution can be requested by three WBA members (such as Banija, myself and a third member, then can be put up to vote (ideally by Cosumar), to prevent such a situation from happening in the future. If 2/3rds vote YES on the amendment, it's in. Therefore, I'd like to propose the following:

g) In case both the President and Vice-president fail to carry out their duties as set out in the Constitution, after being notified by World Bowl Assembly member(s), these duties can be taken over (starting with the organisation of a presidential vote) by three World Bowl Assembly members. This will be carried out much like proposing a constitutional amendment, with the exception that no vote will take place.
h) Article g) does not apply in case the President, or Vice-president, has notified the World Bowl Assembly of (prolonged) absence or if they have appointed a caretaker.

I've left the time period in the article intentionally vague. The World Bowl sometimes moves quickly, and sometimes it's quiet for months, so I feel it's not fair to specify a time period here.

Current WBA members can be found in the World Bowl Official Announcements thread, linked above.

I also just TGd Cosumar.
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Postby The Transmondian Commonwealth » Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:12 pm

Ko-oren wrote:I'm willing to run the vote, if necessary. Still, Cosumar is active (and has just posted yesterday and the day before), so I think we should first just ask if he could run the election or if he has different plans.

Per the Constitution, any amendments to the Constitution can be requested by three WBA members (such as Banija, myself and a third member, then can be put up to vote (ideally by Cosumar), to prevent such a situation from happening in the future. If 2/3rds vote YES on the amendment, it's in. Therefore, I'd like to propose the following:

g) In case both the President and Vice-president fail to carry out their duties as set out in the Constitution, after being notified by World Bowl Assembly member(s), these duties can be taken over (starting with the organisation of a presidential vote) by three World Bowl Assembly members. This will be carried out much like proposing a constitutional amendment, with the exception that no vote will take place.
h) Article g) does not apply in case the President, or Vice-president, has notified the World Bowl Assembly of (prolonged) absence or if they have appointed a caretaker.

I've left the time period in the article intentionally vague. The World Bowl sometimes moves quickly, and sometimes it's quiet for months, so I feel it's not fair to specify a time period here.

Current WBA members can be found in the World Bowl Official Announcements thread, linked above.

I also just TGd Cosumar.


If Cosumar and Allamunic States can't be roused, then I'd support going this route to try to get things moving.

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Postby Drawkland » Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:36 pm

Looks like I forgot to update the rankings earlier. HERE are the post-WB 37 ranks. Let me know if I made a mistake. Banija's format was odd but I just used the basic wins/games played regardless of group tier.

I can't remember if play-in games for the playoffs count towards the rankings. If they do, please let me know and I'll adjust the rankings to add those games in for the six teams affected.
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Postby Free Republics » Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:26 pm

Drawkland wrote:Looks like I forgot to update the rankings earlier. HERE are the post-WB 37 ranks. Let me know if I made a mistake. Banija's format was odd but I just used the basic wins/games played regardless of group tier.

I can't remember if play-in games for the playoffs count towards the rankings. If they do, please let me know and I'll adjust the rankings to add those games in for the six teams affected.


The last precedent I can find for play-in games in the World Bowl was World Bowl XXV. I counted play-in games in those rankings.

XXV was the one EQS hosted with the weird 2 group stages format where teams advanced based on an overall seeding table (all teams advanced to the second group stage which had some really weird seeding rules). HopNation ended up credited with 14 games played and playoffs. There were 12 group stage games and HopNation played in 2 play-in games, winning the first and losing the second. It looks like there were no play-ins from World Bowls XXVI to XXXVI so the one I handled XXV is the most recent precedent.

I have also noticed an inconsistency regarding the handling of 3PPOs. It appears that, for World Bowls XXXV and XXXVI, the 3rd place team was credited with a win and game played while the 4th place team was credited with neither. For World Bowl XXXVII, the 3PPO currently counts for both teams in the rankings. Based on this, I believe Ranoria should be credited with 14 games played.
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Postby Drawkland » Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:37 pm

Free Republics wrote:
Drawkland wrote:Looks like I forgot to update the rankings earlier. HERE are the post-WB 37 ranks. Let me know if I made a mistake. Banija's format was odd but I just used the basic wins/games played regardless of group tier.

I can't remember if play-in games for the playoffs count towards the rankings. If they do, please let me know and I'll adjust the rankings to add those games in for the six teams affected.


The last precedent I can find for play-in games in the World Bowl was World Bowl XXV. I counted play-in games in those rankings.

XXV was the one EQS hosted with the weird 2 group stages format where teams advanced based on an overall seeding table (all teams advanced to the second group stage which had some really weird seeding rules). HopNation ended up credited with 14 games played and playoffs. There were 12 group stage games and HopNation played in 2 play-in games, winning the first and losing the second. It looks like there were no play-ins from World Bowls XXVI to XXXVI so the one I handled XXV is the most recent precedent.

I have also noticed an inconsistency regarding the handling of 3PPOs. It appears that, for World Bowls XXXV and XXXVI, the 3rd place team was credited with a win and game played while the 4th place team was credited with neither. For World Bowl XXXVII, the 3PPO currently counts for both teams in the rankings. Based on this, I believe Ranoria should be credited with 14 games played.

Thanks for the info, FFR.

I think I've made that 3PPO mistake before, simply forgot this time. That's been fixed.

I've updated the games played and wins for South Covello, Newmanistan, Cosumar, Allamunnic States, Vangaziland, Banija, Geektopia, and Amurbia, since those were the teams with play-ins.

The ranks should be perfectly fixed up now.
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Postby Ranoria » Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:32 pm

Free Republics wrote:
Drawkland wrote:Looks like I forgot to update the rankings earlier. HERE are the post-WB 37 ranks. Let me know if I made a mistake. Banija's format was odd but I just used the basic wins/games played regardless of group tier.

I can't remember if play-in games for the playoffs count towards the rankings. If they do, please let me know and I'll adjust the rankings to add those games in for the six teams affected.


The last precedent I can find for play-in games in the World Bowl was World Bowl XXV. I counted play-in games in those rankings.

XXV was the one EQS hosted with the weird 2 group stages format where teams advanced based on an overall seeding table (all teams advanced to the second group stage which had some really weird seeding rules). HopNation ended up credited with 14 games played and playoffs. There were 12 group stage games and HopNation played in 2 play-in games, winning the first and losing the second. It looks like there were no play-ins from World Bowls XXVI to XXXVI so the one I handled XXV is the most recent precedent.

I have also noticed an inconsistency regarding the handling of 3PPOs. It appears that, for World Bowls XXXV and XXXVI, the 3rd place team was credited with a win and game played while the 4th place team was credited with neither. For World Bowl XXXVII, the 3PPO currently counts for both teams in the rankings. Based on this, I believe Ranoria should be credited with 14 games played.

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Postby Banija » Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:54 pm

Ko-oren wrote:I'm willing to run the vote, if necessary. Still, Cosumar is active (and has just posted yesterday and the day before), so I think we should first just ask if he could run the election or if he has different plans.

Per the Constitution, any amendments to the Constitution can be requested by three WBA members (such as Banija, myself and a third member, then can be put up to vote (ideally by Cosumar), to prevent such a situation from happening in the future. If 2/3rds vote YES on the amendment, it's in. Therefore, I'd like to propose the following:

g) In case both the President and Vice-president fail to carry out their duties as set out in the Constitution, after being notified by World Bowl Assembly member(s), these duties can be taken over (starting with the organisation of a presidential vote) by three World Bowl Assembly members. This will be carried out much like proposing a constitutional amendment, with the exception that no vote will take place.
h) Article g) does not apply in case the President, or Vice-president, has notified the World Bowl Assembly of (prolonged) absence or if they have appointed a caretaker.

I've left the time period in the article intentionally vague. The World Bowl sometimes moves quickly, and sometimes it's quiet for months, so I feel it's not fair to specify a time period here.

Current WBA members can be found in the World Bowl Official Announcements thread, linked above.

I also just TGd Cosumar.


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Postby Cosumar » Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:59 pm

Hello all! I’ve been out of town for a few days and am now catching up on happenings on the forum. Chrom and Ko-Oren also reached out and made sure I was aware my attention was needed here. As the acting World Bowl President, I am more than willing to set up an election/vote tomorrow. I also fully support Banija if he desires to take over the role.
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Postby Allamunnic States » Mon Jan 20, 2020 3:23 pm

Sorry, I've been on the road more-or-less continuously for the last three weeks and haven't been able to properly log in. Sorry about that. Unfortunately, I have another trip coming up in two days and my availability is going to be wildly inconsistent until probably the middle of February. If you all trust me to run the President vote since I don't have a dog in that fight, so to speak, I can probably make sure I block out time for that, but it's probably for the best that you all took over on getting this rolling.

Again, I'm really sorry about my inactivity and especially the lack of warning about it.
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Postby Inner AginanaUsordia » Tue Jan 28, 2020 8:24 pm

I have probably missed something along the way, but is there a schedule for the Ecumenical Coalition for Morality Group?
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Postby Terre Septentrionale » Tue Jan 28, 2020 10:34 pm

Inner AginanaUsordia wrote:I have probably missed something along the way, but is there a schedule for the Ecumenical Coalition for Morality Group?


FFR posted the schedule in the same post as he posted the groups. It's the same schedule for all groups and he posted it below the groups. Here's yours:

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Ecumenical Coalition for Morality Group

Inner AginanaUsordia (UR)
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Schedule

January 29th - Matchday One: 1v6, 2v5, 3v4
January 30th - Matchday Two: 6v4, 5v3, 1v2
February 31st - Matchday Three: 2v6, 3v1, 4v5
February 1st - Matchday Four: 6v5, 1v4, 2v3
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February 3rd - Matchday Five: 3v6, 4v2, 5v1

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