The World Cup Discussion Thread (OOC, Version IV)

[Union of Socialist Alpine Republics]

Friends!

So we were talking about the Hall of Fame earlier today... And Farf found a copy of the last Hall of Fame update on the old NSWiki(may it rest in peace) via the wayback machine.

So I thought to myself... Why don't we bring it back?

So Recuecn and I have re-created the page... Welcome to the NS World Cup Hall of Fame!

On the NS Wiki.. This is (by my best estimate), the most updated version of the NS World Cup Hall of Fame that we currently have. Essentially, updated through World Cup 65 + adding my own nominees.

Everyone, of course, is invited to add in their own nations and their own nominees... It is editable for anyone with a NS account(aka everyone here ).

Criteria for number of Hall of Fame nominations people get is listed on the page. Enjoy amigos

I don't really know how NS wiki works, I got a login verification code but I don't know what to do with it. So can someone add my nation and a nominee for me?


Nation name: Union of Socialist Alpine Republics

Nominee: Zbigniew Zajaczkowski

To prove I'm qualified: Prusy Krolewskie / Alpine Union participated in exactly 7 World Cup, almost 8.

World Cups 72, 76 and 77 as Prusy Krolewskie.

Then I transferred my ranking to the Alpine Union.

World Cups 78, 80, 81, 82 as the Alpine Union.

World Cup 79 I posted a roster on matchday 16 but no RP so idk if it counts.

[Bears Armed]

Friends!

So we were talking about the Hall of Fame earlier today... And Farf found a copy of the last Hall of Fame update on the old NSWiki(may it rest in peace) via the wayback machine.

So I thought to myself... Why don't we bring it back?

So Recuecn and I have re-created the page... Welcome to the NS World Cup Hall of Fame!

On the NS Wiki.. This is (by my best estimate), the most updated version of the NS World Cup Hall of Fame that we currently have. Essentially, updated through World Cup 65 + adding my own nominees.

Everyone, of course, is invited to add in their own nations and their own nominees... It is editable for anyone with a NS account(aka everyone here ).

Criteria for number of Hall of Fame nominations people get is listed on the page. Enjoy amigos

Alas, for some reason I never nominated anybody during the Bears' previous period of involvement in international sports and many of my notes from back then have since been lost so that I don't even know now how many places they qualified for...

[Recuecn]

Friends!

So we were talking about the Hall of Fame earlier today... And Farf found a copy of the last Hall of Fame update on the old NSWiki(may it rest in peace) via the wayback machine.

So I thought to myself... Why don't we bring it back?

So Recuecn and I have re-created the page... Welcome to the NS World Cup Hall of Fame!

On the NS Wiki.. This is (by my best estimate), the most updated version of the NS World Cup Hall of Fame that we currently have. Essentially, updated through World Cup 65 + adding my own nominees.

Everyone, of course, is invited to add in their own nations and their own nominees... It is editable for anyone with a NS account(aka everyone here ).

Criteria for number of Hall of Fame nominations people get is listed on the page. Enjoy amigos

I don't really know how NS wiki works, I got a login verification code but I don't know what to do with it. So can someone add my nation and a nominee for me?


Nation name: Union of Socialist Alpine Republics

Nominee: Zbigniew Zajaczkowski

To prove I'm qualified: Prusy Krolewskie / Alpine Union participated in exactly 7 World Cup, almost 8.

World Cups 72, 76 and 77 as Prusy Krolewskie.

Then I transferred my ranking to the Alpine Union.

World Cups 78, 80, 81, 82 as the Alpine Union.

World Cup 79 I posted a roster on matchday 16 but no RP so idk if it counts.

Added for you! I would say that your WC 79 qualification counts--it's an IC thing so since ICly you played all your games, even if you didn't rp, that still counts.

As far as logging in to NSWiki, I've never used it much myself before this, and the verification code was a bit confusing for me too, but I think the space you're supposed to put it is higher up on that same page where they give it to you. I thought I'd have to put it in NS or something, but no.

[Zwangzug]

Alas, for some reason I never nominated anybody during the Bears' previous period of involvement in international sports and many of my notes from back then have since been lost so that I don't even know now how many places they qualified for...

Looks like you signed up for WC 44-76, plus 84, making 34 entries -> 4 spots, plus one after your next cycle. Per the SRS rankings, you've qualified 21 times -> 5 more.

[Sarzonia]

I know I have several characters inducted, but I don't know if I have more spots available or not.

I don't remember how many times I competed in a World Cup or how many times I qualified for the proper.

[Zwangzug]

I know I have several characters inducted, but I don't know if I have more spots available or not.

I don't remember how many times I competed in a World Cup or how many times I qualified for the proper.

Looks like 29 entries (16-30, 44-57, 84), 22 qualifications (per SRS sheet), 1 title = 10 total slots.

[Barunia]

These are the nominations: Where is the actual Hall of Fame? Seems kind of simple is all I'm doing is adding my players.

[Zwangzug]

These are the nominations: Where is the actual Hall of Fame? Seems kind of simple is all I'm doing is adding my players.

I think "nominations" is just the wording used for "putting in your own players"--once they're in, they're in. Beyond that, if you want to write up your own articles/factbooks/whatever about them, it can be more complex. But because a lot of users weren't active at the same time/don't have strong memories of other people's characters/who was ICly important in one country might not be in another, basically the only way to do it is "each user decides for themselves who their inductees are."

[Bears Armed]

Alas, for some reason I never nominated anybody during the Bears' previous period of involvement in international sports and many of my notes from back then have since been lost so that I don't even know now how many places they qualified for...

Looks like you signed up for WC 44-76, plus 84, making 34 entries -> 4 spots, plus one after your next cycle. Per the SRS rankings, you've qualified 21 times -> 5 more.

Thank you.

[Terre Septentrionale]

Added for you! I would say that your WC 79 qualification counts--it's an IC thing so since ICly you played all your games, even if you didn't rp, that still counts.

As far as logging in to NSWiki, I've never used it much myself before this, and the verification code was a bit confusing for me too, but I think the space you're supposed to put it is higher up on that same page where they give it to you. I thought I'd have to put it in NS or something, but no.

Same user here. Thanks! Maybe I should try again just to see if I can login.

edit: You're right, the space to put the code is higher up on the same page, Idk why I didn't see it yesterday when I was logged with my other nation.

[Banija]

These are the nominations: Where is the actual Hall of Fame? Seems kind of simple is all I'm doing is adding my players.

I think "nominations" is just the wording used for "putting in your own players"--once they're in, they're in. Beyond that, if you want to write up your own articles/factbooks/whatever about them, it can be more complex. But because a lot of users weren't active at the same time/don't have strong memories of other people's characters/who was ICly important in one country might not be in another, basically the only way to do it is "each user decides for themselves who their inductees are."

This is a perfect explanation. Inductees might be a better term to use than nominees. I'll make sure to get that fixed.

[Zwangzug]

Please do keep up the wiki-ing and history nerding, it makes me very happy. However, before I forget: I would like to propose an amendment to the constitution, which can be found in the opening post, to modify clause 3.1.4 to read as follows:

Any changes to the KPB formula, including changes in the weights or scaling factors used, must be announced publicly at least one cycle before their proposed implementation. The President may, at their discretion, call for a vote of the WCC to approve the changes.

In situations where the rank maintainer believes it's appropriate to give some bonuses a small rescale, recent precedent has been that we don't need to call for a WCC-wide vote. So the President should have the authority to say "okay, going forward, we are doing this." However, announcing a proposed change well in advance will give people time to give feedback, and the President time to decide if a vote is required for more major overhauls--otherwise we could have a situation where hosts are like "wait a minute, where did these ranks even come from." (I don't believe there are any malicious actors who would wildly distort things just for the lulz, but it's good to have safeguards.)

This proposal needs support from three other WCC members to be put to a vote.

[Recuecn]

Please do keep up the wiki-ing and history nerding, it makes me very happy. However, before I forget: I would like to propose an amendment to the constitution, which can be found in the opening post, to modify clause 3.1.4 to read as follows:

Any changes to the KPB formula, including changes in the weights or scaling factors used, must be announced publicly at least one cycle before their proposed implementation. The President may, at their discretion, call for a vote of the WCC to approve the changes.

In situations where the rank maintainer believes it's appropriate to give some bonuses a small rescale, recent precedent has been that we don't need to call for a WCC-wide vote. So the President should have the authority to say "okay, going forward, we are doing this." However, announcing a proposed change well in advance will give people time to give feedback, and the President time to decide if a vote is required for more major overhauls--otherwise we could have a situation where hosts are like "wait a minute, where did these ranks even come from." (I don't believe there are any malicious actors who would wildly distort things just for the lulz, but it's good to have safeguards.)

This proposal needs support from three other WCC members to be put to a vote.

With the conclusion of world cup 84, Reçueçn joins the WCC as a voting member for the first time! Yay!

Which means that I can second this proposal. It's a good idea to keep the constitution up-to-date with what current practice actually is. Although normally I'd be more in the 'power to the people' camp, it isn't really necessary to drag the entire WCC into it for such minor tweaks to the KPB formula as we've seen recently. At the same time, transparency is really important. So I think this does a good job striking the balance between having everyone aware and involved one but not making it needlessly bureaucratic.

[Farfadillis]

Thirded. I don't see how it could hurt.

[Sarzonia]

Looks like 29 entries (16-30, 44-57, 84), 22 qualifications (per SRS sheet), 1 title = 10 total slots.

Thanks. I've added four people, including becoming the second country to induct Franz Braddock.

I've also noted that Bryan Marshall's induction was done posthumously and that Zack Wilson becomes the third Wilson inducted into the Hall of Fame. Not sure if it's the first grandfather-father-son combination inducted into the Hall or not...

[Valanora]

DBC signups are now open. A reminder that it is first come, first served.

[Xanneria]

Man I'm having a round of shit luck the last couple tourniments.

At least I'm finally developing my RP skills.

Seriously the SWC10 storyline was kind of last second but it worked well and I will likely continue it into the Copa Rushmori with Southwest Eastnorth's story

[Valanora]

DBC everything thread is now up.

[Sarzonia]

I'm curious. Is there a rule that prohibits a player from being on both his country's Under 21 team and the same country's senior national team?

I'm thinking if there is no FIFA rule against it to make it a specifically Sarzonian rule, but if there is, I would certainly use that instead.

[Valanora]

Not that I am aware of. There's been plenty of examples of a player or two that ends on the WCQ squad that was in a DBC squad.

[Taeshan]

I'm curious. Is there a rule that prohibits a player from being on both his country's Under 21 team and the same country's senior national team?

I'm thinking if there is no FIFA rule against it to make it a specifically Sarzonian rule, but if there is, I would certainly use that instead.

I mean there is no rule in real life. So why should there be on here...Add to the fact that my starting keeper is 16, and in one year started at a World Cup, watched at a U21 Cup, and started at a U18 World Cup.

He sits at the U21's because why should he play? I don't have a second "good" U18 keeper.

[Commonwealth of Baker Park]

are you kidding me?
Congrats to the teams moving on in the SWC. Now on to Valanora!

[Savojarna]

I'm curious. Is there a rule that prohibits a player from being on both his country's Under 21 team and the same country's senior national team?

I'm thinking if there is no FIFA rule against it to make it a specifically Sarzonian rule, but if there is, I would certainly use that instead.

I mean there is no rule in real life. So why should there be on here...Add to the fact that my starting keeper is 16, and in one year started at a World Cup, watched at a U21 Cup, and started at a U18 World Cup.

He sits at the U21's because why should he play? I don't have a second "good" U18 keeper.

Wait you have a better U-21 keeper but he is good enough to start at the senior team?

[Banija]

I'm curious. Is there a rule that prohibits a player from being on both his country's Under 21 team and the same country's senior national team?

I'm thinking if there is no FIFA rule against it to make it a specifically Sarzonian rule, but if there is, I would certainly use that instead.

Yea, there's certainly no FIFA rule against it.

The only thing that really prevents this from happening in real life, is that clubs are required to release players that are called to the senior team... But can refuse to release players called to youth teams. So if you are calling guys up to both the youth and senior team, clubs will likely refuse to release players to the youth side.

Obviously, the logistics of NS Sport mean that clubs generally don't(can't?) refuse to release players called up to national team duty at any level, so I don't think a domestic rule against that would be unrealistic?

I've had players go straight from youth teams to senior sides. I do generally avoid putting somebody on a youth national team that already has senior team caps though. But that's just personal preference I guess.

[Taeshan]

I mean there is no rule in real life. So why should there be on here...Add to the fact that my starting keeper is 16, and in one year started at a World Cup, watched at a U21 Cup, and started at a U18 World Cup.

He sits at the U21's because why should he play? I don't have a second "good" U18 keeper.

Wait you have a better U-21 keeper but he is good enough to start at the senior team?

No just giving the u21 guy reps.