The World Cup Discussion Thread (OOC, Version IV)

[Valanora]

What time is cutoff? And why is MD1 so soon?

My cutoff time will be in the evening CDT. As for MD1 being soon, it is not, it is a full week after the end of the BoF, a period longer than I intended but used due to the holiday and other circumstances. Normally MD1 would have been Tuesday or Wednesday.

[Gregoryisgodistan]

What time is cutoff? And why is MD1 so soon?

My cutoff time will be in the evening CDT. As for MD1 being soon, it is not, it is a full week after the end of the BoF, a period longer than I intended but used due to the holiday and other circumstances. Normally MD1 would have been Tuesday or Wednesday.

When is Equestrian States' cutoff time? And who is scorinating what groups?

[Stellonia]

Do you suppose that some national teams should be prohibited from playing qualifying matches at home? I am greatly concerned for the safety of the fans who visit countries with dangerous governments, such as Gregoryisgodistan, and believe that special measures should be taken to ensure the safety of those fans. I can ensure you, Gregoryisgodistan, that if Stellonia has to play a qualifying match in your nation, we are going to send an entire military division.

[Eastfield Lodge]

Do you suppose that some national teams should be prohibited from playing qualifying matches at home? I am greatly concerned for the safety of the fans who visit countries with dangerous governments, such as Gregoryisgodistan, and believe that special measures should be taken to ensure the safety of those fans. I can ensure you, Gregoryisgodistan, that if Stellonia has to play a qualifying match in your nation, we are going to send an entire military division.

There's an easy way out: Don't take any fans.

[Barunia]

Do you suppose that some national teams should be prohibited from playing qualifying matches at home? I am greatly concerned for the safety of the fans who visit countries with dangerous governments, such as Gregoryisgodistan, and believe that special measures should be taken to ensure the safety of those fans. I can ensure you, Gregoryisgodistan, that if Stellonia has to play a qualifying match in your nation, we are going to send an entire military division.

That's IC only. If you can arrange it with them, then yes, but don't expect the WCC or the host to make it a requirement. If you really are worried, put restrictions in your RP permissions, and they can't touch you.

I'll also remind any team that's going to try anything in Furellum - you are going to a fascist dictatorship with magic-wielding animals. Mess with us, and it's going to be a contest as to how you die first - burnt by a fireball, ripped by a lion's paw, crushed by a hippo, gored by a bovine...

[Gregoryisgodistan]

Do you suppose that some national teams should be prohibited from playing qualifying matches at home? I am greatly concerned for the safety of the fans who visit countries with dangerous governments, such as Gregoryisgodistan, and believe that special measures should be taken to ensure the safety of those fans. I can ensure you, Gregoryisgodistan, that if Stellonia has to play a qualifying match in your nation, we are going to send an entire military division.

Or you could do what Saintland did when his team and ours were in the same group and refuse to send his team to our country, IC-ly preparing to forfeit, only for a radical activist/terrorist organization with sympathies for our government due to our mutual hatred of the Sanctii regime, to go in their place, then move their home leg to a neutral site (provided you have permission from their country or it's your puppet.) You can't really forfeit, and Saintland made it clear all along OOC-ly that he didn't and that Feministvs Sanctvsterra would come to us in place of the legitimate team, and something like that would be acceptable. Of course, relocating the return leg indirectly enabled us to assassinate the Consul of Free Republics, but SNT/FFR wanted that character killed off to trigger the Kulseth storyline. Not to mention nobody believes we did it IC-ly anyway except for our citizens. But as mentioned above, sufficient RP permissions should block me from doing anything too extreme. But make sure to respect mine as well, which means following my established storyline. If your fans start a "COCONUT" chant while in Gregoryisgodistan, it is IC-ly unlikely they would live to tell the tale. I don't want to have to figure out after the fact whether you're making an exception and allowing me to execute them or whether we're both violating each other's RP Permissions. So just don't do something like that without clearing it with me or at least letting me know, unless your RP Permissions would allow me to respond in an IC-ly appropriate way.

But the bottom line is your fans should be fine as long as they don't do anything too flagrant. We won't execute them just for farting like we would our own citizens, but if they try to hold a Howard Stern-style farting contest in the middle of a public place, they're probably in big trouble.

[Stellonia]

Do you suppose that some national teams should be prohibited from playing qualifying matches at home? I am greatly concerned for the safety of the fans who visit countries with dangerous governments, such as Gregoryisgodistan, and believe that special measures should be taken to ensure the safety of those fans. I can ensure you, Gregoryisgodistan, that if Stellonia has to play a qualifying match in your nation, we are going to send an entire military division.

Or you could do what Saintland did when his team and ours were in the same group and refuse to send his team to our country, IC-ly preparing to forfeit, only for a radical activist/terrorist organization with sympathies for our government due to our mutual hatred of the Sanctii regime, to go in their place, then move their home leg to a neutral site (provided you have permission from their country or it's your puppet.) You can't really forfeit, and Saintland made it clear all along OOC-ly that he didn't and that Feministvs Sanctvsterra would come to us in place of the legitimate team, and something like that would be acceptable. Of course, relocating the return leg indirectly enabled us to assassinate the Consul of Free Republics, but SNT/FFR wanted that character killed off to trigger the Kulseth storyline. Not to mention nobody believes we did it IC-ly anyway except for our citizens. But as mentioned above, sufficient RP permissions should block me from doing anything too extreme. But make sure to respect mine as well, which means following my established storyline. If your fans start a "COCONUT" chant while in Gregoryisgodistan, it is IC-ly unlikely they would live to tell the tale. I don't want to have to figure out after the fact whether you're making an exception and allowing me to execute them or whether we're both violating each other's RP Permissions. So just don't do something like that without clearing it with me or at least letting me know, unless your RP Permissions would allow me to respond in an IC-ly appropriate way.

But the bottom line is your fans should be fine as long as they don't do anything too flagrant. We won't execute them just for farting like we would our own citizens, but if they try to hold a Howard Stern-style farting contest in the middle of a public place, they're probably in big trouble.

I think that if we are drawn against one another, we could play both games at neutral grounds. However, the chances of our being drawn to play each other are unlikely. And yes, our fans are going to chant "COCONUT" during our fixtures, regardless of where we are playing.

[Stellonia]

I also wonder why "coconut" is a forbidden word in Gregoryisgodistan.

[Super-Llamaland]

As a young lad, Greg was nearly struck and killed by a falling coconut - the experience remained deeply embedded in his mind ever since, and he would never be able to forget how the coconuts, five years later, burned down his house and killed his friends

[Gregoryisgodistan]

Or you could do what Saintland did when his team and ours were in the same group and refuse to send his team to our country, IC-ly preparing to forfeit, only for a radical activist/terrorist organization with sympathies for our government due to our mutual hatred of the Sanctii regime, to go in their place, then move their home leg to a neutral site (provided you have permission from their country or it's your puppet.) You can't really forfeit, and Saintland made it clear all along OOC-ly that he didn't and that Feministvs Sanctvsterra would come to us in place of the legitimate team, and something like that would be acceptable. Of course, relocating the return leg indirectly enabled us to assassinate the Consul of Free Republics, but SNT/FFR wanted that character killed off to trigger the Kulseth storyline. Not to mention nobody believes we did it IC-ly anyway except for our citizens. But as mentioned above, sufficient RP permissions should block me from doing anything too extreme. But make sure to respect mine as well, which means following my established storyline. If your fans start a "COCONUT" chant while in Gregoryisgodistan, it is IC-ly unlikely they would live to tell the tale. I don't want to have to figure out after the fact whether you're making an exception and allowing me to execute them or whether we're both violating each other's RP Permissions. So just don't do something like that without clearing it with me or at least letting me know, unless your RP Permissions would allow me to respond in an IC-ly appropriate way.

But the bottom line is your fans should be fine as long as they don't do anything too flagrant. We won't execute them just for farting like we would our own citizens, but if they try to hold a Howard Stern-style farting contest in the middle of a public place, they're probably in big trouble.

I think that if we are drawn against one another, we could play both games at neutral grounds. However, the chances of our being drawn to play each other are unlikely. And yes, our fans are going to chant "COCONUT" during our fixtures, regardless of where we are playing.

Generally speaking, the decision to move home games would rest with the home association. And while it's unlikely this tournament, it's a good question to ask because it could happen in future tournaments. Also, don't expect to antagonize the opposing players and fans and not get reciprocated against no matter who you're playing, especially on the road against a team with such passionate fans. It's like going to a soccer game in North Korea, starting a chant about how Kim Jong Un is a foolish little wuss, and expecting to make it out of there alive. Yet there are plenty of international soccer games staged in North Korea IRL and nobody demands they be relocated. On the other hand, the impending war would provide an IC excuse to relocate games, and unlike simply playing in a tinpot dictatorship, there is RL precedent for it. But that's a one-off occurrence, and as you said, we're unlikely to play each other this cycle except possibly at a neutral site in the Cup of Harmony.

[Stellonia]

It's like going to a soccer game in North Korea, starting a chant about how Kim Jong Un is a foolish little wuss, and expecting to make it out of there alive. Yet there are plenty of international soccer games staged in North Korea IRL and nobody demands they be relocated.

Funny that you should say so! When North Korea and South Korea were drawn into the same group twice during qualification for the 2010 World Cup, North Korea had to play its home games with South Korea in Beijing, as North Korean authorities refused to allow the performance of the South Korean national anthem.
I think that your dictatorship is far worse than the one in North Korea. As far as I know, it is perfectly legal to fart or use the word "coconut" in North Korea, while those "crimes" are punishable by the death of the offender and his or her entire nuclear family in Gregoryisgodistan.
We would still appreciate it if you moved your home qualifier to the Special Administrative Zone or Santaclausisgodistan. We could, in turn, find a ground in a different nation in Right to Life to hold our home qualifier, or we could play that match in Saintland.

[Free Republics]

It's like going to a soccer game in North Korea, starting a chant about how Kim Jong Un is a foolish little wuss, and expecting to make it out of there alive. Yet there are plenty of international soccer games staged in North Korea IRL and nobody demands they be relocated.

Funny that you should say so! When North Korea and South Korea were drawn into the same group twice during qualification for the 2010 World Cup, North Korea had to play its home games with South Korea in Beijing, as North Korean authorities refused to allow the performance of the South Korean national anthem.
I think that your dictatorship is far worse than the one in North Korea. As far as I know, it is perfectly legal to fart or use the word "coconut" in North Korea, while those "crimes" are punishable by the death of the offender and his or her entire nuclear family in Gregoryisgodistan.
We would still appreciate it if you moved your home qualifier to the Special Administrative Zone or Santaclausisgodistan. We could, in turn, find a ground in a different nation in Right to Life to hold our home qualifier, or we could play that match in Saintland.

I don't think the Sanctii government wants Gregoryisgodistanis in their nation when it isn't absolutely necessary...

[San Jose Guayabal]

A question, at which part of the day will be the cut-off tomorrow?

[Gregoryisgodistan]

A question, at which part of the day will be the cut-off tomorrow?

Also is EQS going to co-host or have you taken over all of it in his absence?

[Valanora]

A question, at which part of the day will be the cut-off tomorrow?

My cutoff time will be in the evening CDT.

[Szavoda]

2600 word RP to kick off the WC, got a good feeling about this one.

[Eura]

2600 word RP to kick off the WC, got a good feeling about this one.

But are you still motivated by five cups of hurt, NS World Cup still gleaming? Six gold stars on the shirt...

[Barunia]

We would still appreciate it if you moved your home qualifier to the Special Administrative Zone or Santaclausisgodistan.

What home aualifier? The group draw has been done, stellonia and greg are in different groups

[Alasdair I Frosticus]

Do you suppose that some national teams should be prohibited from playing qualifying matches at home? I am greatly concerned for the safety of the fans who visit countries with dangerous governments, such as Gregoryisgodistan, and believe that special measures should be taken to ensure the safety of those fans. I can ensure you, Gregoryisgodistan, that if Stellonia has to play a qualifying match in your nation, we are going to send an entire military division.

That's up to you to deal with, alas.

As deeply offputting, tiresome, and/or alienating many participants in the World Cup understandably find Gregoryisgodistan's RP environment, this isn't something that can or should be addressed by either the WCC or the individual tournament hosts.

You are, however, within your rights for your team to IC'ly simply refuse to play in Gregoryisgodistan (as Greg has himself noted). This would hardly be unprecedented, and could provide interesting RP opportunities for both of you.

[Nephara]

Do you suppose that some national teams should be prohibited from playing qualifying matches at home?

As deeply offputting, tiresome, and/or alienating many participants in the World Cup understandably find Gregoryisgodistan's RP environment, this isn't something that can or should be addressed by either the WCC or the individual tournament hosts.

On a brighter note of things that are neither off-putting, tiresome nor alienating, your RP line/roster theme for this cycle is goddamn fantastic.

[Gregoryisgodistan]

Do you suppose that some national teams should be prohibited from playing qualifying matches at home? I am greatly concerned for the safety of the fans who visit countries with dangerous governments, such as Gregoryisgodistan, and believe that special measures should be taken to ensure the safety of those fans. I can ensure you, Gregoryisgodistan, that if Stellonia has to play a qualifying match in your nation, we are going to send an entire military division.

That's up to you to deal with, alas.

As deeply offputting, tiresome, and/or alienating many participants in the World Cup understandably find Gregoryisgodistan's RP environment, this isn't something that can or should be addressed by either the WCC or the individual tournament hosts.

You are, however, within your rights for your team to IC'ly simply refuse to play in Gregoryisgodistan (as Greg has himself noted). This would hardly be unprecedented, and could provide interesting RP opportunities for both of you.

Also, you would hardly be the first team to send an entire military division. That would make for some interesting RP opportunities, though with the current/soon-to-be-started war, that might get confusing. Also, due to its location, the GSAZ is temporarily being turned into a naval outpost to guard against attacks by sea, particularly from Coconut Isle, similar to Gibraltar in World War II. So it's not hosting any games this cycle, and even if the GSAZ Soccer Federation hadn't been absorbed by the one from Gregoryisgodistan a couple cycles ago, the team would have to play most of its home games (read: all after the conversion) in the main part of Gregoryisgodistan. That being said, in future World Cups, I might be open to relocating home games to the GSAZ provided IC compensation was given by whoever requested it. It is a part of Gregoryisgodistan, albeit with somewhat different laws, but the stadium there is about a tenth of the size of Lord Almighty Gregory National Stadium and you'd be denying us a lot of revenue and causing a lot of problems with ticket allocation, and we'd expect to be reimbursed for all of that trouble. But again, not this tournament because it's soon to be temporarily converted to a naval outpost.

On a different but similar note, Gregory Llama Land (also my puppet) is IC-ly open and available to act as protecting interest in Gregoryisgodistan for any country which does not wish to establish diplomatic relations, similar to Sweden's role for the US in North Korea. This would be a situation where that role is relevant. Of course, some countries, particularly Saintland and the HRE, may still not like this due to Gregory Llama Land's large population of sapient llamas, but that's life. Find another country to take on that role that isn't my puppet. I'm open to it as long as the third country is. But given Gregory Llama Land's proclaimed neutrality in all foreign conflicts, it would probably be open to doing this in other countries as well.

[Walkany]

For the next cycle, would I enter my puppet nation into the BoF as a puppet?

[Eastfield Lodge]

For the next cycle, would I enter my puppet nation into the BoF as a puppet?

Yes.
Only people on their first cycle are restricted to one nation. After that, you can have two nations, one classed as a master nation and t'other a puppet nation. They don't have to be IC'ly related, but you have to state OOC'ly which is which.
And the BoF is open to any nation with no KPB rank that hasn't been in one before.
*sits back and waits for others to correct him*

[Saintland]

For the next cycle, would I enter my puppet nation into the BoF as a puppet?

You can enter puppets into the BoF and there's usually quite a few in each BoF. Just make sure to sign them up as quickly as possible after signups open to ensure your spot.

[Apox]

For the next cycle, would I enter my puppet nation into the BoF as a puppet?

Also, though this may be just the phrasing of your question, but you are of course not required to enter in a puppet next cycle. In fact, I would only enter a puppet if you feel you'd be able to RP it, as entering with one purely because you can just creates extra work for hosts.