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Krytenia
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Postby Krytenia » Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:24 am

CoH invitations should always be made based on merit IMO. Speaking as a four-time host, the ideal situation is to include the very best RPers you can. For a host, I feel, the measure of success is in how the tournament is RPed. Now, people's criteria for inclusion will always be different, and that's OK; we're not all automatons after all.

Same goes for puppets. There is certainly a case to be made for only inviting one nation per user, though it should not, in my opinion, be a hard and fast rule. Back when I last hosted (CoH64, with Queb), we made a longlist of those who met our qualifying criteria, then had a good long debate on who got the invites. The question of a puppet came up - HopNation and Timbermunich - and we decided, as we had more names on our list than we needed, to only invite one. In this case, we went with the puppet as we felt the RPing was of a higher quality from that account than the main. As it turned out, it was a moot point anyway as the invitation was declined.

Point is, basically, I'll stand by the decision of any host to include or exclude a second nation from a user to the CoH so long as it's based on sound logic. It's their baby, after all.
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Capital: Emberton ⍟ RP Population: ~180,000,000 ⍟ Trigram: KRY ⍟ iTLD: .kt ⍟ Demonym: Krytenian, Krytie (inf.)
Languages: English (de jure), Spanish, French, Welsh (regional)

Hosts: Cup of Harmony 7, AOCAF 1, Cup of Harmony 15, World Cup 24, AOCAF 13, World Cup 29, AOCAF 17, AOCAF 23, World Cup 40, Cup of Harmony 32, Baptism of Fire 32, AOCAF 27, Baptism of Fire 36, World Cup 50, Baptism of Fire 40, Cup of Harmony 64, AOCAF 48, World Cup 75, AOCAF 40, Cup of Harmony 80, CAFA 2
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Postby Sarzonia » Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:17 am

I'm in favour of keeping a determination on whether or not to invite both nations run by a single user up to the winning hosts.

I don't remember how we decided to handle things either time I co-hosted a Cup of Harmony, but I might handle it differently now.

That said, some users invest greatly into both their main and their puppet. It would be a shame to arbitrarily exclude anyone solely for being a puppet, though I would prefer a newbie who earned a strong RP bonus to an old hand who might have just missed out with a puppet.
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Postby Krytenia » Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:41 am

Sarzonia wrote:That said, some users invest greatly into both their main and their puppet. It would be a shame to arbitrarily exclude anyone solely for being a puppet, though I would prefer a newbie who earned a strong RP bonus to an old hand who might have just missed out with a puppet.

This. It really is a case-by-case thing, I'd certainly be against a blanket rule.
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Languages: English (de jure), Spanish, French, Welsh (regional)

Hosts: Cup of Harmony 7, AOCAF 1, Cup of Harmony 15, World Cup 24, AOCAF 13, World Cup 29, AOCAF 17, AOCAF 23, World Cup 40, Cup of Harmony 32, Baptism of Fire 32, AOCAF 27, Baptism of Fire 36, World Cup 50, Baptism of Fire 40, Cup of Harmony 64, AOCAF 48, World Cup 75, AOCAF 40, Cup of Harmony 80, CAFA 2
Champions: AOCAF 52, Cup of Harmony 78, CAFA 6
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Postby Tikariot » Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:46 am

Exactly. That's what we will do and this will only come into play at the fringes anyways. And the respective nation/puppet still might decline on their own on top of it. Like if we get the nod towards the bid, I would decline an invitation for Gouvanarch (or just not invite to begin with) solely on the fact that RP'ing Tikariot and hosting would already definitely be enough.
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Postby Alasdair I Frosticus » Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:00 am

The Holy Empire's next RP will be in the style of a Western. Sheriff Tzimisces will find himself in a gunfight to decide whether or not the frontier town will have itself a football match or not.

If you'd like your nation to be the location of the Western, please send me a TG. Feel free to offer a couple of details to add local colour.

And if geography demands that it should be an Eastern, Northern, or Southern, we can accommodate that.

To make this fair, first-come, first-served.
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Postby Starblaydia » Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:12 am

Alasdair I Frosticus wrote:Sheriff Tzimisces will find himself in a gunfight to decide whether or not the frontier town will have itself a football match or not.

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Postby Barunia » Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:16 am

The CoH should have 16 teams reach the finals and have a group stage that is not overly long. How to achieve thst should be left up to the hosts.
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Postby Alasdair I Frosticus » Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:36 am

Alasdair I Frosticus wrote:The Holy Empire's next RP will be in the style of a Western. Sheriff Tzimisces will find himself in a gunfight to decide whether or not the frontier town will have itself a football match or not.

If you'd like your nation to be the location of the Western, please send me a TG. Feel free to offer a couple of details to add local colour.

And if geography demands that it should be an Eastern, Northern, or Southern, we can accommodate that.

To make this fair, first-come, first-served.



Xanneria was first! An interesting twist has been proposed, but I can work with it.



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Alasdair I Frosticus wrote:Sheriff Tzimisces will find himself in a gunfight to decide whether or not the frontier town will have itself a football match or not.

Deputy Di Bradini reporting in, of course, no matter the location.


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Postby Sarzonia » Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:18 pm

Krytenia wrote:This. It really is a case-by-case thing, I'd certainly be against a blanket rule.


We AGREE on something and the world didn't explode?! :o
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Postby Krytenia » Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:20 am

Sarzonia wrote:
Krytenia wrote:This. It really is a case-by-case thing, I'd certainly be against a blanket rule.


We AGREE on something and the world didn't explode?! :o


This ranks about 37th on the list of "crazy stuff that had happened in the last 12 months" to be fair. :)
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Capital: Emberton ⍟ RP Population: ~180,000,000 ⍟ Trigram: KRY ⍟ iTLD: .kt ⍟ Demonym: Krytenian, Krytie (inf.)
Languages: English (de jure), Spanish, French, Welsh (regional)

Hosts: Cup of Harmony 7, AOCAF 1, Cup of Harmony 15, World Cup 24, AOCAF 13, World Cup 29, AOCAF 17, AOCAF 23, World Cup 40, Cup of Harmony 32, Baptism of Fire 32, AOCAF 27, Baptism of Fire 36, World Cup 50, Baptism of Fire 40, Cup of Harmony 64, AOCAF 48, World Cup 75, AOCAF 40, Cup of Harmony 80, CAFA 2
Champions: AOCAF 52, Cup of Harmony 78, CAFA 6
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Postby Muralos » Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:55 am

What are the orange-colored teams in each qualifying group (usually 6th and 7th place)? Do they face elimination in the next 2 matches? :/
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Postby Krytenia » Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:24 am

Muralos wrote:What are the orange-colored teams in each qualifying group (usually 6th and 7th place)? Do they face elimination in the next 2 matches? :/

They're teams who are eliminated from automatic qualification as group winners but can still finish second.
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Capital: Emberton ⍟ RP Population: ~180,000,000 ⍟ Trigram: KRY ⍟ iTLD: .kt ⍟ Demonym: Krytenian, Krytie (inf.)
Languages: English (de jure), Spanish, French, Welsh (regional)

Hosts: Cup of Harmony 7, AOCAF 1, Cup of Harmony 15, World Cup 24, AOCAF 13, World Cup 29, AOCAF 17, AOCAF 23, World Cup 40, Cup of Harmony 32, Baptism of Fire 32, AOCAF 27, Baptism of Fire 36, World Cup 50, Baptism of Fire 40, Cup of Harmony 64, AOCAF 48, World Cup 75, AOCAF 40, Cup of Harmony 80, CAFA 2
Champions: AOCAF 52, Cup of Harmony 78, CAFA 6
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Postby Muralos » Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:56 am

Krytenia wrote:
Muralos wrote:What are the orange-colored teams in each qualifying group (usually 6th and 7th place)? Do they face elimination in the next 2 matches? :/

They're teams who are eliminated from automatic qualification as group winners but can still finish second.

Got it; thanks!!
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Postby Mriin » Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:49 am


As an addendum to the above, I will be pulling out of the running for WCC president. Anyone who was quick on the draw to vote for me might want to consider recasting their vote.

The reason being that I'm likely to stop participating in the World Cup soon; I had already considered not entering this cycle, and am very disappointed in my lack of motivation to RP the last several qualifiers all together. I'll still be around and likely poking at other competitions in the mean time for a change of pace, and I'll always be hanging out on the discord, but having a non-competing president would be pretty weird.

As to why I'm taking a break from the WC, it's nothing specific that happened—I just think my attention span here is roughly ten cycles. My first stint as Karditan and Falcus had me active from about WC60 to about WC70; now Mriin has had its run from 77 to 87. I'm sure I'll be back with a new nation ready to give it another go at some point. Certainly in time for the WC93 Sonnel Superbid 8)
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Postby Krytenia » Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:53 am

Mriin wrote:As to why I'm taking a break from the WC, it's nothing specific that happened—I just think my attention span here is roughly ten cycles. My first stint as Karditan and Falcus had me active from about WC60 to about WC70; now Mriin has had its run from 77 to 87. I'm sure I'll be back with a new nation ready to give it another go at some point. Certainly in time for the WC93 Sonnel Superbid 8)

Well that's no good. What am I gonna do with all these goats?!?
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Capital: Emberton ⍟ RP Population: ~180,000,000 ⍟ Trigram: KRY ⍟ iTLD: .kt ⍟ Demonym: Krytenian, Krytie (inf.)
Languages: English (de jure), Spanish, French, Welsh (regional)

Hosts: Cup of Harmony 7, AOCAF 1, Cup of Harmony 15, World Cup 24, AOCAF 13, World Cup 29, AOCAF 17, AOCAF 23, World Cup 40, Cup of Harmony 32, Baptism of Fire 32, AOCAF 27, Baptism of Fire 36, World Cup 50, Baptism of Fire 40, Cup of Harmony 64, AOCAF 48, World Cup 75, AOCAF 40, Cup of Harmony 80, CAFA 2
Champions: AOCAF 52, Cup of Harmony 78, CAFA 6
Runner-Up: AOCAF 7, World Cup 58, Cup of Harmony 80, CAFA 1
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Postby Sarzonia » Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:37 am

Mrinn, if I may ask a question out of curiosity, why didn't you pull yourself out of the running when you were nominated and cleared the threshold for being a final candidate?
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Postby Mriin » Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:02 am

Sarzonia wrote:Mrinn, if I may ask a question out of curiosity, why didn't you pull yourself out of the running when you were nominated and cleared the threshold for being a final candidate?

Because I made this decision a few days ago and didn't think it was worth mentioning until I got reminded by the vote going up.
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Postby Tequilo » Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:06 am

Krytenia wrote:
Mriin wrote:As to why I'm taking a break from the WC, it's nothing specific that happened—I just think my attention span here is roughly ten cycles. My first stint as Karditan and Falcus had me active from about WC60 to about WC70; now Mriin has had its run from 77 to 87. I'm sure I'll be back with a new nation ready to give it another go at some point. Certainly in time for the WC93 Sonnel Superbid 8)

Well that's no good. What am I gonna do with all these goats?!?

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Postby Krytenia » Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:07 pm

Tequilo wrote:
Krytenia wrote:Well that's no good. What am I gonna do with all these goats?!?

Tequilo will buy a job-lot for our world famous (in Tequilo) gaucho boots industry. We prefer to use actual Mrii for the top-of-the-line models but goats are perfectly serviceable.

Tempting, but they're Ibexi. Could get "interesting".
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Hosts: Cup of Harmony 7, AOCAF 1, Cup of Harmony 15, World Cup 24, AOCAF 13, World Cup 29, AOCAF 17, AOCAF 23, World Cup 40, Cup of Harmony 32, Baptism of Fire 32, AOCAF 27, Baptism of Fire 36, World Cup 50, Baptism of Fire 40, Cup of Harmony 64, AOCAF 48, World Cup 75, AOCAF 40, Cup of Harmony 80, CAFA 2
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Postby Alasdair I Frosticus » Tue Jan 26, 2021 1:53 pm

Following an RP set in Xanneria, and this RP following a fun suggestion from Tequilo, I'm taking further suggestions on where to set appearances from Juan Tzimisces across the multiverse timeline.

There are only two requirements:

1) It must fit some sort of cultural/fictional stereotype (look at the other appearances in the roster; so far I've done everything from Regency/Jane Austen-like fiction through to a Western, Star Wars and Friends).

2) It must have really happened at some point in your nation's past, present, or future. These aren't fictional appearances by Juan Tzimsices, but real appearances through time. Mythic appearances potentially partially based on real events (so a Tzimisces in a Trojan war analogue, for example) do count, and will be cheerfully accepted.

TG me. First come, first-served; we have three matchdays left in regular qualifying, so I welcome ideas!

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Postby Baggieland » Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:21 pm

My apologies to everyone in group 9, but RL work has increased exponentially recently, coupled with what is usually a very busy period anyway. Therefore, it is highly unlikely I will be able to do any more RPs.

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Postby Ethane » Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:35 am

Hey guys, apologies that the tables took so long last night; I had to manually tabulate all the results in Xkor again because the original WC files were corrupted. I'd just like to give a huge huge thank you to Banija for doing a tonne of the tabulation for me last night. You really saved me a lot of time, absolute lifesaver!

Obviously in about 34-35 hours, I'll be cutting off for the final match day of qualifiers. Make sure to get your RPs in! Just a reminder that only the top team in each group will automatically qualify. Then, the top three second placed teams will also automatically qualify (currently Chromatika, Kelssek, and Astograth). The remaining 16 second-placed teams will enter a home-and-away playoff with the winner across the two legs qualifying.

The first playoff leg will be scored by me (so cutoff will be between 2300-0000 UTC), while the second playoff leg will be scored by Taeshan (cutoff will be at the later cutoff time used in the first leg). Be aware of this when writing your RPs.

Once the CoH host voting is complete we'll also organise with the CoH team scheduling for the two tournaments - our preliminary benchmark is round about next weekend. We do not have a concrete date yet so we'll keep you updated.

Thanks all, and good luck with the final match of qualifiers and the playoffs!

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Postby Tikariot » Sat Jan 30, 2021 8:02 pm

Quick question concerning the playoffs.

1) Will pre or post WCQ87 KPBs applied?
2) Will the RP bonus from the WCQ carried over into the playoffs?

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Postby Graintfjall » Sat Jan 30, 2021 8:20 pm

Playoffs don't count, so congratulations to Mytanija. These are the final fantasy standings: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... 1334529436

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