The World Cup Discussion Thread (OOC, Version IV)

[Liventia]

Whatever the merits of your explanation, "you can only argue with me in terms of a mathematical theory you may not know about" is a disingenuous way of shutting down debate.

Which is why Farf went ahead with this clear, well-written post in an attempt to explain said theory. This actually opens up constructive discussion, rather than suppressing it. It's not unreasonable to ask that people are at least somewhat thoughtful in their engagement.

It's one thing to ask that people take the mathematics into account. It's quite another to say that anyone responding must "make sure (their responses) are grounded in mathematics". That's where the debate is being stifled. People are allowed to have and debate the rights and wrongs of this without needing to explain their position based on an inaccessible (to most people) mathematical theorem.

[Farfadillis]

For what it's worth, I'm more than willing to engage in a discussion that uses purely informal terms (which is, actually, exactly what I did in my post; it's not like I introduced the definition of σ-algebra to define a probability space or something); what matters is that the other party took the time to actually understand my post, and has a thought-out rebuttal beyond "ok but I disagree cause I don't feel it's right". I feel like this is a reasonable thing to ask. As I said, I'm more than willing to help anyone to understand my post, too, so I don't feel like I'm shutting down debate, just warning that it is a fairly technical subject matter.

[Torisakia]

I was talking more to the people who bitch at the hosts for scorination.

I honestly don't even know what this situation is about. I just wanted to give my unwanted commentary.

I wouldn’t talk in this if you don’t know what the situation is.

Good idea. But if anyone needs advice on how to deal with a consistently underperforming team, feel free to ask me.

[Delaclava]

It's one thing to ask that people take the mathematics into account. It's quite another to say that anyone responding must "make sure (their responses) are grounded in mathematics".

This amounts to splitting hairs.

Farf has made a great effort to make the mathematical principles as concrete as possible to apply to the given situation. He's also, above this post, expressed his willingness to talk about it further. It's hard to be more satisfied than that with the openness to discussion.

[Terre Septentrionale]

Just wanted to say I had an idea as the last two days I've faced opponents who have no roster nor have RP'd.

After posting RPs about the match I've sent them a nice TG letting them know my team played theirs in the World Cup Qualifiers, looked up what date they signed up for the tournament, and included a link to both the post where the score was posted as well as the link to my match report RP. (Granted, I haven't written lengthy RPs this tournament.)

My idea is to let other users know that yes, what they signed up for in some cases months ago really is taking place and that they still have time to post a roster or RP, and to wish them luck in the qualifiers as any good sportsperson would do.

Good idea. I just realised that my MD2 opponent posted a roster in the BoF but still haven't done it in the WCQ. I actually sent a TG to 3 of the 4 nations in my group that still haven't posted their roster.

[Welzat]

Just checked on my team can’t believe I won 2 games okay now I gotta get serious and RP.

[Free Republics]

I've posted rosters for both of my nations for the World Cup. The FFR roster includes 12 stadiums since there are apparently groups of 13.

I somehow ended up having to do a captcha to post that. That's a first and its a "feature" that NS should probably get rid of unless the forums are getting an unmanageable number of adbot posts now.

[Sarzonia]

I've done the overwhelming majority of my posts, be they RP posts or OOC discussion posts, using my mobile phone because I don't have Internet access at my home.

That captcha bullshit can die in a fucking fire

[Krytenia]

FFR/Sarz - may I suggest the Technical forum?

[The Authoritarian Republic of Lochario]

The Locharian football Federation is looking for candidates to replace Matej Ljubanik as a coach of the national team. All suggestions are awaited and exciting. If you can suggest some candidates, it would be the best if you could send a telegram with the details of the candidate.

[Mattijana]

The Locharian football Federation is looking for candidates to replace Matej Ljubanik as a coach of the national team. All suggestions are awaited and exciting

I don't particularly mind, and I don't wish to be inflammatory at all, but it is generally good etiquette to talk to the owner of a foreign manager before you sack them.

[The Authoritarian Republic of Lochario]

The Locharian football Federation is looking for candidates to replace Matej Ljubanik as a coach of the national team. All suggestions are awaited and exciting

I don't particularly mind, and I don't wish to be inflammatory at all, but it is generally good etiquette to talk to the owner of a foreign manager before you sack them.

So. ... Do you agree with the sacking?

[Mattijana]

So. ... Do you agree with the sacking?

That's not exactly the point, but it would be unfair of me to force you to have him as manager, so I'm not going to go against it. The point is that if you're sacking him because I haven't rpd his character much (a fair concern. I've had my end of year uni exams to prepare for, so rp time has been thin on the ground), then you should have told me to see if I would be able to rp him (the irony being that I finished said exams yesterday, so I probably would now).
Equally if you sacked him because you just fancied a change, that's completely fine, but it still would have been nice to let me know first in case I missed something and blundered into an rp where I said he was still manager, and so I could make him available for other roles.

[The Authoritarian Republic of Lochario]

So. ... Do you agree with the sacking?

That's not exactly the point, but it would be unfair of me to force you to have him as manager, so I'm not going to go against it. The point is that if you're sacking him because I haven't rpd his character much (a fair concern. I've had my end of year uni exams to prepare for, so rp time has been thin on the ground), then you should have told me to see if I would be able to rp him (the irony being that I finished said exams yesterday, so I probably would now).
Equally if you sacked him because you just fancied a change, that's completely fine, but it still would have been nice to let me know first in case I missed something and blundered into an rp where I said he was still manager, and so I could make him available for other roles.

Alright, I'll keep that in mind next time

[The Authoritarian Republic of Lochario]

The Locharian football Federation is looking for candidates to replace Matej Ljubanik as a coach of the national team. All suggestions are awaited and exciting. If you can suggest some candidates, it would be the best if you could send a telegram with the details of the candidate.

Any coach suggestions?

[Ko-oren]

What are you looking for? What kind of manager is right for your team at this stage of its development? What kind of playing style do you need? What do you need the manager to focus on? What kind of cultural issues could they run into?

[95X]

I somehow ended up having to do a captcha to post that. That's a first and its a "feature" that NS should probably get rid of unless the forums are getting an unmanageable number of adbot posts now.

I've done the overwhelming majority of my posts, be they RP posts or OOC discussion posts, using my mobile phone because I don't have Internet access at my home.

That captcha bullshit can die in a fucking fire

There's already threads on the Technical Forum about this, turns out the answer is Cloudflare now uses a different captcha service and the official response from NS is there's only a concern if someone is unable to ultimately do something they should be allowed to do: viewtopic.php?p=37121519#p37121519

We don't need endless posts saying "I had a CAPTCHA". We know. They're meant to come up at times.

The only reason you should be posting here is if you are having a repeated problem with them that is preventing you doing something on the site. If that's the case, be specific - what were you trying to do? Device, browser, are you able to get through the CAPTCHAs, how often to they repeat etc.

If it's any consolation, I get these almost every single bleeping time I log in to Discord because the IP address provided by my ISP changes, and there's no point in asking Discord as they refuse to even acknowledge questions about them. So the level of service we're getting from NS on the matter exceeds that from Discord on the same issue.

[The Authoritarian Republic of Lochario]

What are you looking for? What kind of manager is right for your team at this stage of its development? What kind of playing style do you need? What do you need the manager to focus on? What kind of cultural issues could they run into?

I'm looking for a coach that can put up a proper attacking formation and who is also able of defending at times

[Ethane]

What are you looking for? What kind of manager is right for your team at this stage of its development? What kind of playing style do you need? What do you need the manager to focus on? What kind of cultural issues could they run into?

I'm looking for a coach that can put up a proper attacking formation and who is also able of defending at times

Style modifier required? What kind of personality do you want your manager to have? What are the aims/aspirations of your team? Are they realistic? Just try to provide as much info as possible then I can see who I have.

[The Authoritarian Republic of Lochario]

I'm looking for a coach that can put up a proper attacking formation and who is also able of defending at times

Style modifier required? What kind of personality do you want your manager to have? What are the aims/aspirations of your team? Are they realistic? Just try to provide as much info as possible then I can see who I have.

I would like the Modifier to be positive. The personality does not matter, as long as he can turn on the team for a challenge. The aims are atleast finishing in the Top 5 of the group table. They seem quite realistic.

[Blouman Empire]

Finally got my first win, just a question the style modifier doesn't have any input into if you win or not it only determines the score correct?

[PotatoFarmers]

Finally gt my first win, just a question the style modifier doesn't have any input into if you win or not it only determines the score correct?

Using additive mods (which is what is being used afaik), they only determine whether your wins are more likely to be 5-4s or 1-0s. The margin of victory/odds of victory has no reliance on your style mods

[Blouman Empire]

Finally gt my first win, just a question the style modifier doesn't have any input into if you win or not it only determines the score correct?

Using additive mods (which is what is being used afaik), they only determine whether your wins are more likely to be 5-4s or 1-0s. The margin of victory/odds of victory has no reliance on your style mods

That's what I thought, cheers.

[95X]

Alright, I realize after I posted something on Discord that was misconstrued, an exchange took place that cannot be walked back nor apologized for as other parties involved are probably extremely unlikely to accept any apologies.

This pertains to the current World Cup and RPing in general because I will probably not even try to logon to Discord for some time, so I won't see anything posted there or DMs sent to me there.

[Alasdair I Frosticus]

My RPing may become intermittent if the coronavirus situation worsens in Egypt in the coming days. We seem to be on the verge of becoming the next virus hotspot, and the country is ill-equipped to cope. My apologies if this does become an issue - though if it becomes that much of an issue, NS may be the least of my worries.

But in the meantime, I owe Omerica an RP.....