The World Cup Discussion Thread (OOC, Version IV)

[Delaclava]

So after reading on Discord, let me get this straight: You scorinated a game. The original results said that I won. Then you realized that you forgot to give me credit for an RP. My opponent had not RPed during that time, only I had. So, to make sure I get credit for my RP, you rescorinated a match that I originally won, and posted a new result where I lost?

And you expect me to be OK with this shit? Really?

Whatever you guys do with this, I absolutely NEVER want Xanneria hosting anything I participate in ever again.

Hi Sherpa,

We do apologize that this confusion happened at all. We discovered the error immediately after the results were posted - admittedly, that is not soon enough, but we did aim to resolve the issue as soon as possible. I advised Xanneria to re-scorinate all four matches because I believed it was proper to generate results with all the technical factors correctly in place, particularly since no one had RPed with the incorrect results when the error was discovered. If that goes against the communal understanding of how that particular situation should be handled, that mistake is on me.

You are justified in being upset by this decision - particularly since, as I understand, your game was the only result that flipped when we did the scorination correctly. Our goal was to be transparent and get it right and I'm sorry that this resulted in an adverse result for you.

As for your participation in future tournament hosted by Xanneria/Appalachia, that is your prerogative. But it is my opinion that this incident notwithstanding, Xan has been a competent and enthusiastic host, and eager to learn from Ethane and me. I believe Xan will learn from this mistake in future hosting endeavors.

[The Veiled Islands]

So after reading on Discord, let me get this straight: You scorinated a game. The original results said that I won. Then you realized that you forgot to give me credit for an RP. My opponent had not RPed during that time, only I had. So, to make sure I get credit for my RP, you rescorinated a match that I originally won, and posted a new result where I lost?

And you expect me to be OK with this shit? Really?

Whatever you guys do with this, I absolutely NEVER want Xanneria hosting anything I participate in ever again.

Hi Sherpa,

We do apologize that this confusion happened at all. We discovered the error immediately after the results were posted - admittedly, that is not soon enough, but we did aim to resolve the issue as soon as possible. I advised Xanneria to re-scorinate all four matches because I believed it was proper to generate results with all the technical factors correctly in place, particularly since no one had RPed with the incorrect results when the error was discovered. If that goes against the communal understanding of how that particular situation should be handled, that mistake is on me.

You are justified in being upset by this decision - particularly since, as I understand, your game was the only result that flipped when we did the scorination correctly. Our goal was to be transparent and get it right and I'm sorry that this resulted in an adverse result for you.

As for your participation in future tournament hosted by Xanneria/Appalachia, that is your prerogative. But it is my opinion that this incident notwithstanding, Xan has been a competent and enthusiastic host, and eager to learn from Ethane and me. I believe Xan will learn from this mistake in future hosting endeavors.

Xanneria has not been competent and he will not learn anything from this mistake, or any of the other mistakes that he will make day and day out until people catch a clue and stop trusting him to host things.

[Commonwealth of Baker Park]

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[Krytenia]

So after reading on Discord, let me get this straight: You scorinated a game. The original results said that I won. Then you realized that you forgot to give me credit for an RP. My opponent had not RPed during that time, only I had. So, to make sure I get credit for my RP, you rescorinated a match that I originally won, and posted a new result where I lost?

And you expect me to be OK with this shit? Really?

Whatever you guys do with this, I absolutely NEVER want Xanneria hosting anything I participate in ever again.

Hi Sherpa,

We do apologize that this confusion happened at all. We discovered the error immediately after the results were posted - admittedly, that is not soon enough, but we did aim to resolve the issue as soon as possible. I advised Xanneria to re-scorinate all four matches because I believed it was proper to generate results with all the technical factors correctly in place, particularly since no one had RPed with the incorrect results when the error was discovered. If that goes against the communal understanding of how that particular situation should be handled, that mistake is on me.

You are justified in being upset by this decision - particularly since, as I understand, your game was the only result that flipped when we did the scorination correctly. Our goal was to be transparent and get it right and I'm sorry that this resulted in an adverse result for you.

As for your participation in future tournament hosted by Xanneria/Appalachia, that is your prerogative. But it is my opinion that this incident notwithstanding, Xan has been a competent and enthusiastic host, and eager to learn from Ethane and me. I believe Xan will learn from this mistake in future hosting endeavors.

Indeed, I made this exact same mistake in the recent AOCAF 60, which also resulted in a rescorination, and my hosting experience is...well, check the sig, but I'm probably one of the most respected hosts in the community.

SHERPA: There have been many situations where stuff has happened and the hosts have tried to obfuscate the fact that they done goofed. The important thing here, from a hosting point of view, is that Xan/AN admitted to, and corrected, the mistake.

The fact that this happened to result in Margaret giving you a scorination forced enema is unfortunate, but as far as I am concerned the procedures were followed correctly.

I can understand your anger at what has transpired, but I would say take a day and breathe deeply before dumping too much invective on Xan/AN for what was an honest and unfortunate mistake.

XAN/AN: I understand your eagerness to host; please, take it slow, make sure you get everything right. Remember you are the junior host in this situation and try not to be overeager despite the excitement and temptation.

[Sarzonia]

People make mistakes. Shit happens.

I mentioned before that a host made a similar error that gave me a shock 5-0 victory over a dominant Pacitalia during an AOCAF. The resimulation turned that defining result into a 3-2 defeat after I'd already RP'd the original result.

You are within your rights to avoid any host for any reason. You are well within your rights to be angry about this result, but I would rather have a host admit to a mistake and own up to it than have them cover up the error.

And, speaking strictly for myself here, I lost more respect for you with your insult against Xanneria than I did for Xanneria with this error. Take some time to blow off steam. Looks to me like you need to.

[The Sherpa Empire]

Both of you can shove it.

Xanneria does this basically every time he hosts anything. It's not some one-time thing. I tried to warn people on Discord before the host vote was even done.

But apparently his need to play with xkoranate like a kid playing with the controls in the cockpit of a plane is more important than anybody else wanting a competently run tournament.

[Jeckland]

Both of you can shove it.

Xanneria does this basically every time he hosts anything. It's not some one-time thing. I tried to warn people on Discord before the host vote was even done.

But apparently his need to play with xkoranate like a kid playing with the controls in the cockpit of a plane is more important than anybody else wanting a competently run tournament.

Putting Xanneria aside, you're getting personal with insults and telling people who disagree with you to 'shove it'. This is a fake football tournament on an internet forum. It's really not that deep and you're making yourself look really bad in your reaction to this. If you want to use metaphors about kids, you're throwing your toys out of the pram.

[The Sherpa Empire]

Both of you can shove it.

Xanneria does this basically every time he hosts anything. It's not some one-time thing. I tried to warn people on Discord before the host vote was even done.

But apparently his need to play with xkoranate like a kid playing with the controls in the cockpit of a plane is more important than anybody else wanting a competently run tournament.

Putting Xanneria aside, you're getting personal with insults and telling people who disagree with you to 'shove it'. This is a fake football tournament on an internet forum. It's really not that deep and you're making yourself look really bad in your reaction to this. If you want to use metaphors about kids, you're throwing your toys out of the pram.

It's not my first go round with Xanneria being totally incompetent, and I wouldn't be reacting this way if it was the first time around.

[Audioslavia]

EDIT: This post was supposed to be written by Audio the player, not the mod. The first and last paragraphs blur the lines somewhat. My bad. For what it's worth, Audio the player *also* didn't want this to descend into a shitfight and is also annoyed that Kry and Sarz have been yelled at for trying to help.

I'm going to do Sherpa the courtesy of glossing over the 'shove it' line, which is not cool at all.

Xan has made a stupid mistake, compounded by the fact that he made exactly the same stupid mistake very recently, and compounded again by the decision to rescorinate all four games. While the most transparent and honest solution, it might have been better to let the previous results stand.

As Sarz and TJUN-ia can attest, it's incredibly galling when something like this happens. I empathise.

There's little that can be done about it now. Xan's probably not going to be hosting anything in the near future. I understand Sherpa is going to be retiring The Veiled Islands, which is fair enough. The other option would be to try to make the best of a bad situation via RP.

To everyone who wants to give their two cents: take a deep breath first. I don't want this to descend into a fourteen-way shit-fight.

[Audioslavia]

To avoid situations like this in the future, prospective hosts should heed this advice:

If you feel under pressure due to RL commitments getting in the way of a scorination deadline, it is ALWAYS the correct decision to delay scorination until you're properly ready.

If you're flustered because you feel you need to scorinate something on time, you run the risk of making a mistake like this.

If anyone ever gives you shit about delaying scorination, whether it's by 20 minutes or 2 days, then tell me and I will smash them to bits with angry Scottish insults.

[The Sherpa Empire]

To avoid situations like this in the future, prospective hosts should heed this advice:

If you feel under pressure due to RL commitments getting in the way of a scorination deadline, it is ALWAYS the correct decision to delay scorination until you're properly ready.

If you're flustered because you feel you need to scorinate something on time, you run the risk of making a mistake like this.

If anyone ever gives you shit about delaying scorination, whether it's by 20 minutes or 2 days, then tell me and I will smash them to bits with angry Scottish insults.

This I can get behind. The delay because of work was not a problem.

[Krytenia]

To avoid situations like this in the future, prospective hosts should heed this advice:

If you feel under pressure due to RL commitments getting in the way of a scorination deadline, it is ALWAYS the correct decision to delay scorination until you're properly ready.

If you're flustered because you feel you need to scorinate something on time, you run the risk of making a mistake like this.

If anyone ever gives you shit about delaying scorination, whether it's by 20 minutes or 2 days, then tell me and I will smash them to bits with angry Scottish insults.

I'll also like to add If you're trying to scorinate while half asleep, GO TO BED AND SCORINATE IN THE MORNING. AOCAF 60 is a testamnet to that one.

[Ethane]

Baptism of Fire 72 Announcement

Thank you to everyone for your patience on this matter. Delaclava, Xanneria (Appalachian Nation) and I have discussed how we intend to proceed with the tournament. Delaclava and I believe that Xanneria is a competent and able host, and would be able to finish the tournament if that is how we had decided. Other than this one mistake, which he rectified by rescoring the results as advised by his senior co-host, Xanneria has hosted this tournament smoothly and without fault.

However, we recognise that some people no longer see Xanneria as a competent and trustworthy host following this error. Therefore, to ensure that people in this community can trust the results, and also to prevent further deterrence to newer members of the NS Sports community, Delaclava and I will be complete the hosting requirements of the tournament, with Xanneria stepping back from hosting. This was a difficult decision to make, but one that will hopefully ensure the successful completion of the Baptism of Fire and the welcoming of a new cohort of NS Sporters into the ranks of footballing fame.

Any scoring that would have been completed by Xanneria before the semi-finals will now be completed by me. Delaclava and I will split semi-final and final hosting.
The cutoff window will not be changing, though all teams that were in Xanneria's bracket will now have a cutoff time of 2100 UTC instead of later in the window.

I would just like to make it clear that no teams still in the tournament have been disadvantaged by the error. All errors in recording RP bonuses were rectified in the rescorination and are thus recorded for future scorination results. This mistake has no affect on the outcomes of the tournament further than the impact it had in Xanneria's bracket in the round of 32.

If you have any questions or concerns, please post them here or TG Delaclava and I, and we will endeavour to respond. Please be aware that responses may not be fast as I am now working night shifts so often go to work straight after scoring results.

[Sylestone]

Previous post here was removed.

[Riennic Isles]

Baptism of Fire 72 Announcement

Thank you to everyone for your patience on this matter. Delaclava, Xanneria (Appalachian Nation) and I have discussed how we intend to proceed with the tournament. Delaclava and I believe that Xanneria is a competent and able host, and would be able to finish the tournament if that is how we had decided. Other than this one mistake, which he rectified by rescoring the results as advised by his senior co-host, Xanneria has hosted this tournament smoothly and without fault.

However, we recognise that some people no longer see Xanneria as a competent and trustworthy host following this error. Therefore, to ensure that people in this community can trust the results, and also to prevent further deterrence to newer members of the NS Sports community, Delaclava and I will be complete the hosting requirements of the tournament, with Xanneria stepping back from hosting. This was a difficult decision to make, but one that will hopefully ensure the successful completion of the Baptism of Fire and the welcoming of a new cohort of NS Sporters into the ranks of footballing fame.

Any scoring that would have been completed by Xanneria before the semi-finals will now be completed by me. Delaclava and I will split semi-final and final hosting.
The cutoff window will not be changing, though all teams that were in Xanneria's bracket will now have a cutoff time of 2100 UTC instead of later in the window.

I would just like to make it clear that no teams still in the tournament have been disadvantaged by the error. All errors in recording RP bonuses were rectified in the rescorination and are thus recorded for future scorination results. This mistake has no affect on the outcomes of the tournament further than the impact it had in Xanneria's bracket in the round of 32.

If you have any questions or concerns, please post them here or TG Delaclava and I, and we will endeavour to respond. Please be aware that responses may not be fast as I am now working night shifts so often go to work straight after scoring results.

As a participant in this edition of the Baptism, I just want to reiterate my full support for the hosting team going forwards, irrespective of the rescorination snafu. I have every confidence that the rest of the tournament will be conducted to the high standards we've come to expect from the team.

Both of you can shove it.

Xanneria does this basically every time he hosts anything. It's not some one-time thing. I tried to warn people on Discord before the host vote was even done.

But apparently his need to play with xkoranate like a kid playing with the controls in the cockpit of a plane is more important than anybody else wanting a competently run tournament.

IT’S A BLOODY FAKE TOURNAMENT ON NATIONSTATES. IT’S NOT THE FIFA WORLD CUP. IT DOES BIT MATTER AT ALL.

P.S. I understand your anger. I would be too. But I wouldn’t go making personal insults like that. That’s plain wrong, fake tournament or not.

Given that the debate over the issue has already died down, it's perhaps counterproductive to bring it up again now. Let's draw a line under this as a community and move on.

[NSWC Signups]

Given that the debate over the issue has already died down, it's perhaps counterproductive to bring it up again now. Let's draw a line under this as a community and move on.

Yes, please.

The BoF hosts have addressed the issue and and announced their plans for moving forward with the tournament, and I'm reasonably satisfied with their decision. I understand that some people may still be upset (which they have a right to be), but further discussion of the issue seems counterproductive to me. Unless you have something legitimately new to add to the conversation, I recommend that people take a take a step back for now. And if you are going to add something to the discussion, maybe turn off caps lock first.

-EQS

[Sylestone]

Baptism of Fire 72 Announcement

Thank you to everyone for your patience on this matter. Delaclava, Xanneria (Appalachian Nation) and I have discussed how we intend to proceed with the tournament. Delaclava and I believe that Xanneria is a competent and able host, and would be able to finish the tournament if that is how we had decided. Other than this one mistake, which he rectified by rescoring the results as advised by his senior co-host, Xanneria has hosted this tournament smoothly and without fault.

However, we recognise that some people no longer see Xanneria as a competent and trustworthy host following this error. Therefore, to ensure that people in this community can trust the results, and also to prevent further deterrence to newer members of the NS Sports community, Delaclava and I will be complete the hosting requirements of the tournament, with Xanneria stepping back from hosting. This was a difficult decision to make, but one that will hopefully ensure the successful completion of the Baptism of Fire and the welcoming of a new cohort of NS Sporters into the ranks of footballing fame.

Any scoring that would have been completed by Xanneria before the semi-finals will now be completed by me. Delaclava and I will split semi-final and final hosting.
The cutoff window will not be changing, though all teams that were in Xanneria's bracket will now have a cutoff time of 2100 UTC instead of later in the window.

I would just like to make it clear that no teams still in the tournament have been disadvantaged by the error. All errors in recording RP bonuses were rectified in the rescorination and are thus recorded for future scorination results. This mistake has no affect on the outcomes of the tournament further than the impact it had in Xanneria's bracket in the round of 32.

If you have any questions or concerns, please post them here or TG Delaclava and I, and we will endeavour to respond. Please be aware that responses may not be fast as I am now working night shifts so often go to work straight after scoring results.

As a participant in this edition of the Baptism, I just want to reiterate my full support for the hosting team going forwards, irrespective of the rescorination snafu. I have every confidence that the rest of the tournament will be conducted to the high standards we've come to expect from the team.

IT’S A BLOODY FAKE TOURNAMENT ON NATIONSTATES. IT’S NOT THE FIFA WORLD CUP. IT DOES BIT MATTER AT ALL.

P.S. I understand your anger. I would be too. But I wouldn’t go making personal insults like that. That’s plain wrong, fake tournament or not.

Given that the debate over the issue has already died down, it's perhaps counterproductive to bring it up again now. Let's draw a line under this as a community and move on.

ok sorry

[The Sherpa Empire]

I'm honestly confused why people think telling people to "shove it" is such a big deal. Is it way stronger in British English or something?

And it's pretty fucking dumb that you're complaining about me taking the WC too seriously, but at the same time I've had people saying, "At least it happened to an established player instead of someone new," like they just take for granted that any established player will be too hooked to leave.

You guys need to get over this assumption that everyone's NS Sports time revolves around the WC. It doesn't. People are acting like me withdrawing from the WC is some big drastic move, but it's really not a drastic move to withdraw from something that you weren't very committed to in the first place. Sticking around and continuing to RP because "OMG I might lose my rank!" is taking the WC too seriously. Leaving when it pisses me off is the opposite of that.

I'm actually considering bringing back the Veiled Islands in some other capacity, had an idea of something I could use it for that is unrelated to football.

But I do not have any regrets or reservations about withdrawing from the WC, and I have no plans to come back in future cycles.

ICly, the Veiled Islands has decided the mainland is too dangerous because of the crowding and poor sanitation. They held a town meeting and voted to cut all contact.

The Sherpa Empire had a SARS 2 outbreak where a football player tested positive, and they had to back out of the WC. This explanation doesn't explain why their departure is going to last more than one cycle, but you'll have to handwave that.

[Sarzonia]

You received feedback from two experienced players, both of whom previously hosted MULTIPLE events on here in which we each mentioned mistakes from the past and recommended that you develop perspective.

Your fixation on the wording of "shove it" is disingenuous at best and deliberately obtuse at worst. You chose to double down on your scorched earth attacks by insulting me and Krytenia. It doesn't matter whether it was "shove it" or "fuck off" though the latter likely would be obviously worth a red text warning from a moderator. You chose to dig your grave even more by posting that.

I hoped when I tapped this that you'd developed some perspective and started to walk back your insults. Obviously I was far too optimistic. You're running the risk of alienating people now in much the same way that Qazox did. That's not something anyone should want.

[Nephara]

The NSWC account's post was not a suggestion. We're moving on.

[Torisakia]

In reference to a few posts up, if you're planning on RPing a COVID-19/Coronavirus/SARS pandemic in your nation for the upcoming WC please make sure that you consult the other nations in your group to make sure that it is alright to do so. It's a touchy subject right now for some people and it would be nice if we could avoid future problems with it.

Or this could be an unwritten rule that no one told me about and I'm just making myself look stupid. There's truth in it either way.

[Sarzonia]

As I understand it, the agreement during the World Baseball Classic was that nations who didn't want to RP the pandemic were under no obligation to even acknowledge the existence of a pandemic in their RP's.

I chose to RP it having an effect in that tournament and in the IBC and fully intend to use it for another RP that isn't sports-related. However, I also intend for it to have already run its course with a vaccine and an actual cure once the World Cup gets underway.

The only effect for a country that chooses not to RP a pandemic that faces me might be a nearly empty Dave Wilson Stadium for the first Matchday or two.

[Zwangzug]

In reference to a few posts up, if you're planning on RPing a COVID-19/Coronavirus/SARS pandemic in your nation for the upcoming WC please make sure that you consult the other nations in your group to make sure that it is alright to do so. It's a touchy subject right now for some people and it would be nice if we could avoid future problems with it.

Or this could be an unwritten rule that no one told me about and I'm just making myself look stupid. There's truth in it either way.

We've discussed this on Discord. My personal view is that anything impinging on other people's nations, ie, implications of a worldwide pandemic, or your fans spreading disease to other countries (or vice versa) is godmoding, which isn't cool without permission. But someone RPing pockets of contagious disease in their own country is not godmoding, and shouldn't require others' permission. (If another user finds that in poor taste, they can always ignore it.)

[Torisakia]

In reference to a few posts up, if you're planning on RPing a COVID-19/Coronavirus/SARS pandemic in your nation for the upcoming WC please make sure that you consult the other nations in your group to make sure that it is alright to do so. It's a touchy subject right now for some people and it would be nice if we could avoid future problems with it.

Or this could be an unwritten rule that no one told me about and I'm just making myself look stupid. There's truth in it either way.

We've discussed this on Discord. My personal view is that anything impinging on other people's nations, ie, implications of a worldwide pandemic, or your fans spreading disease to other countries (or vice versa) is godmoding, which isn't cool without permission. But someone RPing pockets of contagious disease in their own country is not godmoding, and shouldn't require others' permission. (If another user finds that in poor taste, they can always ignore it.)

Ok so I'm going to pencil that down as "unwritten rule that no one told me about and I'm just making myself look stupid".

But I agree with everything you said. I should have worded my post a bit differently.

[Delaclava]

We've discussed this on Discord. My personal view is that anything impinging on other people's nations, ie, implications of a worldwide pandemic, or your fans spreading disease to other countries (or vice versa) is godmoding, which isn't cool without permission. But someone RPing pockets of contagious disease in their own country is not godmoding, and shouldn't require others' permission. (If another user finds that in poor taste, they can always ignore it.)

Ok so I'm going to pencil that down as "unwritten rule that no one told me about and I'm just making myself look stupid".

But I agree with everything you said. I should have worded my post a bit differently.

I don't think you look stupid to have not known about a discussion that happened on a completely different platform. Thanks for asking here and making sure we could get all users on the same page.

A certain level of productive conversation on Discord is fine. It's also essential that the results of those conversations make their way onto the forums, where the game actually happens.