The World Cup Discussion Thread (OOC, Version IV)

[Sarzonia]

I don't like the idea that the president can't propose changes. They should still be able to propose changes as long as they don't implement such changes unilaterally.

[Farfadillis]

If anyone wants a partner for a World Cup bid, I'm available.

EDIT: I've found a co-host.

[Zwangzug]

We don't have a written policy for who maintains the ranks. Historically, this is someone who's just appointed by fiat and does so indefinitely until they disappear/hand it off, independent of the president 's tenure. Currently ESF; historically various people like Cafundeu and me. Theoretically, a president could just appoint themselves, which could lead to the case kelssek mentioned.

So potentially solved by slightly shifting the amendment language by amending 3.1.iv, and adding a 3.1.v, so that 3.1 reads:

3.1 KPB Rankings
i) Every World Cup shall use the official KPB Rankings system to determine ranks before the Qualifiers begin
ii) The ranking formula must be public
iii) The full list of ranks must be made publicly available in a suitable format
iv) Any changes to the KPB formula, including changes in the weights or scaling factors used, must be announced publicly at least one cycle before their proposed implementation, and approved by the WCC.
v) The President may, at their discretion, call for a vote of the WCC to approve changes to the formula; however, the President may not propose changes to the formula.

So the President then has discretion to call for a vote to change the formula, but the President is also unable to propose or make their own changes to that formula. Responsibility for organising the vote rests with the President, but responsibility for proposing and approving changes rests with the community.

Would that work?

I don't think this works, see bolded; is every change mandatorily going up for vote, or only the ones the president thinks are important enough to vote on?

I was actually coming at this from the other angle that the President might see that they benefit from a tweak to the formula and decide not to hold a vote, claiming that the changes are too minor to warrant it.

More importantly, is the issue solely with the need to "legalize" the changes that ESF has made? Or are we talking about changing procedures because we think that such adjustments are going to be frequent events? It can of course be both, but I think these are distinct issues that don't have the same answer.

Both; I feel weird about being out of compliance now, and there's nothing to say it won't happen again (although probably not very often, it could be handled on a case-by-case basis I guess). Like I said originally, I don't think ESF or anyone else is a bad actor, but the system seems a little unstable right now.

[NSWC Signups]

After discussing the matter with VP Banija, seeing that there does appear to be movement on a WC bid, and as it's been close to two months since the last WC, I've decided to open signups for the 85th World Cup cycle now.

-EQS

WC85/BoF72 Signup Thread

[Appalachian Nation]

Pictures shouldn't count as signs ups

[Free Republics]

Pictures shouldn't count as signs ups :twisted: :p

Any post in the signup thread is assumed to be a signup unless its obvious that wasn't the intent (for example mods posting in official capacity). Only BoF signups have to be explicit.

[Havynwilde]

if anyone is interested in co-bidding for the BOF, I’m looking for a senior bidder

[Free Republics]

if anyone is interested in co-bidding for the BOF, I’m looking for a senior bidder

Unless I'm mistaken, you're not eligible to bid until next cycle's BoF:

Constitution of the World Cup Committee

2.2 The Baptism of Fire

2.2.2 Hosting
i) Any nation that has previously participated in a World Cup and is signed up for the current edition of the World Cup may bid to host the BoF.

This rule applies to "nations" so if you've entered the World Cup before with a different nation, you can enter this World Cup with that nation designated as your main nation and bid for the BoF or CoH. You'll also be able to bid for the BoF once your second World Cup cycle rolls around.

[Mriin]

A WC & CoH bid appears: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=482452

Of course, we assent that the CoH hosts will have to win a separate vote when the time comes.

[Northwest Kalactin]

Does anyone know if a BOF bud will pop up soon.

[Xanneria]

Does anyone know if a BOF bud will pop up soon.

Yes

[Appalachian Nation]

Does anyone know if a BOF bud will pop up soon.

Yes

Told ya - viewtopic.php?f=7&t=483057

[Recuecn]

With bids for both the World Cup and Baptism of Fire, I'm curious why there isn't a bid deadline yet. Did I miss something?

[Res Publica Nova Roma]

Still waiting on this. Not gonna bid for host since this is my first time.

[Audioslavia]

We've got a couple of bids in the works. Should just be a week or two until the BoF thread gets put up. NS football is a big thing, so these things take time

[NSWC Signups]

With bids now submitted for both tournaments, the deadline for World Cup and Baptism of Fire host bids is hereby set for Thursday, April 16 at 11:59 PM EDT (03:59 UTC).

[Tinhampton]

Six thousand. Still haven't unhung my roleplaying boots yet; still more than happy to wish all bidders and would-be contestants for Cycle 85 the best of luck... wow, have I really only missed one cycle?

[Res Publica Nova Roma]

Welp, hopefully we do good in this! Can't wait to get started.

[NSWC Signups]

Host voting for the WC and BoF is now open

[Barunia]

Barunia is in desperate need of a coach that can return the team to greatness. If anyone has a suitable coach looking for a position, TG me.

[NSWC Signups]

Host voting for the WC and BoF is now open

As a reminder, there are 12 hours left to vote, so please remember to get your votes in!

Also, remember to keep your nations, especially your puppets that are signed up, from CTEing. Keep logging in!

[NSWC Signups]

WC/BoF Host Vote Results

[Strike]

Congrats to all hosts

[Liventia]

I hope the winning BoF bid takes note of the close margin of their victory and takes into account every concern raised.

[Ethane]

I hope the winning BoF bid takes note of the close margin of their victory and takes into account every concern raised.

Thanks to everyone who voted for us, and I'mm sorry that almost half of you didn't have enough confidence in our host bid which led to votes for RoN. We recognise the concerns with our bid that have been reflected in the NS Sports Discord and on the bid thread. We are currently in discussion as a team of three regarding how to pursue this tournament in light of the result.

What we have done:
We have a Discord group chat to maintain communication between us and ensure efficient planning of the tournament.
We have outlined a system for how to tackle formats in light of the three-host structure. In the near-future, we will address this with new formats for the increased participation numbers following recent sign-ups.

What we will do:
We will work on addressing key issues regarding the trustworthiness of hosts through effective coordination and communication to ensure any issues are rectified before they affect the tournament.
We will ensure that we are accountable throughout the process.
We will be open to criticism and take it on board at any point in the tournament.
We are in discussions over the criticisms regarding the rp bonus and max bonus, and are in discussions over how to progress and adapt on this issue.
We will set up a Google Docs to ensure effective coordination over the schedule, cutoffs, and rp bonuses.
We will work to ensure equal and fair grading of all RPs, addressing concerns raised during the bidding process over concerns about potential biases in some of the hosts.

Please bear with us as we address some of the concerns you have all had with this bid, reflected in the tightness of our victory in the bidding process. I promise all of you that we have heard you, we are listening, and we are working to make this a successful tournament and a great introduction to NS Sports for all the nations that participate in this BoF. Please don't be afraid to message Xanneria, Delaclava, or me on Discord or via TG on here if you have any concerns.