The World Cup Discussion Thread (OOC, Version IV)

[Razenthuria]

What time would you suggest for nations to start putting in a host bid for the BoF?

People usually put it up at-or-around signups I think. Hope that helps
- RZ

[Starblaydia]

What time would you suggest for nations to start putting in a host bid for the BoF?

As we're at 144 signups, and WC80 got 152 signups (we have a massive BoF already this time around), the sooner a BoF bid comes along, the quicker this show will get on the road.

[Taeshan]

Just letting everyone know my computer has bitten the dust and I’m in the process of. Using another one so it may be four-five days until I’m semi-active again. All my ns stuff is of course in files on that so it will be a fun process for the fifth time transferring all of the data from 10 years of this.

[Commonwealth of Baker Park]

I seem to remember there was a post somewhere that laid out criteria for minimum standards for WCC tournament bids? Or maybe I'm confusing that with UICA standards. I flirted with making a bid for the BoF, but I think I need some experience with something smaller first. But I don't have huge stadiums, so I don't know if hosting a senior tournament is right for me.

[Free Republics]

I seem to remember there was a post somewhere that laid out criteria for minimum standards for WCC tournament bids? Or maybe I'm confusing that with UICA standards. I flirted with making a bid for the BoF, but I think I need some experience with something smaller first. But I don't have huge stadiums, so I don't know if hosting a senior tournament is right for me.

There aren't actually any stadium standards for WCC bids nor am I aware of any minimum standards for stadiums for any tournament on NS Sports. You might be confusing it with UICA (since I never really followed that closely even when I was entering Acedonian teams into it) or maybe with the FIFA standards.

[Commonwealth of Baker Park]

I seem to remember there was a post somewhere that laid out criteria for minimum standards for WCC tournament bids? Or maybe I'm confusing that with UICA standards. I flirted with making a bid for the BoF, but I think I need some experience with something smaller first. But I don't have huge stadiums, so I don't know if hosting a senior tournament is right for me.

There aren't actually any stadium standards for WCC bids nor am I aware of any minimum standards for stadiums for any tournament on NS Sports. You might be confusing it with UICA (since I never really followed that closely even when I was entering Acedonian teams into it) or maybe with the FIFA standards.

No you're right, there are standards for Finals in UICA. I guess I got confused.

[Starblaydia]

No you're right, there are standards for Finals in UICA. I guess I got confused.

If you want to bid for a tournament with five sorta football shaped fields that have a combined capacity of 3,826, that's ok. The stadia are not the key part of a hosting bid, just the IC details.

Bids are about whether we as a community trust, or are willing to trust, a host bid to be reliable in being around, fair in judging RPs and scoring them, timely in posting to their schedule and knowledageble of how work the scorinator they've chosen and to deal with any issues that may crop up. Some veteran players may not have all of these qualities, while some newer players can have all of them very quickly.

Between those, the bid comes down to technical preferences (one scorinator or format over another, tiebreaker, X groups of Y, playoffs or no playoffs, etc). Both the BoF and CoH are often used as proving grounds for newer hosts when paired with a more experienced one, before 'graduating' to the World Cup.

Personally, I think the BoF hosting is more about reliably providing a great roleplay platform for newcomers to get them hooked, but that's more than enough tangential soapboxing for one reply about stadia size.

[USS Monitor]

Sometimes RPing with crap facilities is fun. I did World Baseball Classic where my "home park" was some guy's farm in 19th century Virginia, and it made good RP fodder just because it was different. I haven't tried anything like that with soccer, but I think it would work.

[Commonwealth of Baker Park]

No you're right, there are standards for Finals in UICA. I guess I got confused.

If you want to bid for a tournament with five sorta football shaped fields that have a combined capacity of 3,826, that's ok. The stadia are not the key part of a hosting bid, just the IC details.

Bids are about whether we as a community trust, or are willing to trust, a host bid to be reliable in being around, fair in judging RPs and scoring them, timely in posting to their schedule and knowledageble of how work the scorinator they've chosen and to deal with any issues that may crop up. Some veteran players may not have all of these qualities, while some newer players can have all of them very quickly.

Between those, the bid comes down to technical preferences (one scorinator or format over another, tiebreaker, X groups of Y, playoffs or no playoffs, etc). Both the BoF and CoH are often used as proving grounds for newer hosts when paired with a more experienced one, before 'graduating' to the World Cup.

Personally, I think the BoF hosting is more about reliably providing a great roleplay platform for newcomers to get them hooked, but that's more than enough tangential soapboxing for one reply about stadia size.

I appreciate that feedback. I don't want to do something half-ass, I've got too much respect for the community. I need more experience with scorination than just my own leagues and experimental forays. I have an embryonic idea about a smaller tourney (12-16 teams) down the line, but its not my priority.

OT: How is your National Team manager going to handle running both the AOCAF and the DBC teams? asking for a friend....

[Commonwealth of Baker Park]

Sometimes RPing with crap facilities is fun. I did World Baseball Classic where my "home park" was some guy's farm in 19th century Virginia, and it made good RP fodder just because it was different. I haven't tried anything like that with soccer, but I think it would work.

I don't have that sort of issue, but I don't have 70-80-90,000 seat stadiums. In fact, I actually reduced the capacity of my biggest stadiums that I came up with years ago when I was a teenager. I guess there is no reason why I couldn't have a building boom, but most of the stadiums I have fulfill multiple roles (soccer/Football/rugby/baseball), so you have to have find a middle ground.

[Starblaydia]

I need more experience with scorination than just my own leagues and experimental forays. I have an embryonic idea about a smaller tourney (12-16 teams) down the line, but its not my priority.

OT: How is your National Team manager going to handle running both the AOCAF and the DBC teams? asking for a friend....

Get comfortable with the scorinating you do, and then maybe host a little invitational for something in between Cups or after Qualifying or something, and then see how it goes from there.

In my calendar, the DBC is taking place in 2235, and the AOCAF in 2236 (with WC81 in 2238) - doing it this way allows me to, ICly, bring up the best talent from the U21s into the senior regional side based on their performances. Sometimes the AOCAF runs during or before the DBC, so I'm writing about players based on performances that haven't happened yet (so even if the Starblaydi U21s go 0-0-3 I have to pick out individuals who did well). Yay for fluid time!

[Valanora]

Any BoF bids in the works? If the plan was to speed up the process to capitalize on IRL WC hype, with the Final being a week from now, we'd ideally be getting closer to voting and beginning the cycle.

[Sargossa]

Entrants to the 68th Baptism of Fire tournament (44/???)
Nation Name
Lochario

Just a note for any passing WC signups updaters. Lochario competed in the previous World Cup, in Group 4 of the qualifiers.

[Starblaydia]

Any BoF bids in the works?

We have a ton of new nations in this BoF, perhaps the largest field (certainly that I can remember) in history. It's super important for longevity and future user interaction to have this BoF done right.

If you want a job done right, as they say... so I'd like to put the word out for a junior partner on a bid. I can do it solo, but I just dide a double-senior host for an important milestone cup, and newer hosts still need to have that experience of WCC tournaments under their belts. Serious replies only to my inbox, please, with similar technical aspects to my WC80 bid with EQS.

Bidding solo is my very much last resort (ok well actually not bidding at all and letting others host it is my last resort, but that's beside the point), but I'm adamant that this huge crop of nations should be given the most encouraging RP environment and rock solid hosting to play in for their first time.

Edit: Found a co-bidder, thanks

[Razenthuria]

Entrants to the 68th Baptism of Fire tournament (44/???)
Nation Name
Lochario

Just a note for any passing WC signups updaters. Lochario competed in the previous World Cup, in Group 4 of the qualifiers.

I believe Star rp'd in a couple World Cups before participating in their first BOF?

- RZN

[Nephara]

If that's true, it'd be because those RPs came before the BoF was even a thing. Why bring it up?

[Razenthuria]

If that's true, it'd be because those RPs came before the BoF was even a thing. Why bring it up?

My point was I thought you were allowed to be in a BOF as long as itd your firdt and only time competiting in the BOF no matter the length of yoyr time participsting in NSWC competitions. That's whiy I chose to bring it up. I may be and probably will be wrong judging from your reply.

- RZN

[Nephara]

You also need 0 KPB.

[Razenthuria]

You also need 0 KPB.

Thanks ig?

- RZN

[Starblaydia]

Just a note for any passing WC signups updaters. Lochario competed in the previous World Cup, in Group 4 of the qualifiers.

I believe Star rp'd in a couple World Cups before participating in their first BOF?

Right, since you're bringing me up over something you evidently know essentially nothing about, it's now story time:

I missed out on entering the 2nd Baptism of Fire for my debut World Cup - WC15 - and participated all the way up to WC34, winning the World Cup twice, and being President of the WCC for WCs 25-33 along the way. I didn't enter the World Cup for editions 35-37 because I was burned out from it all. When returning to the Cup after a refresh in World Cup 38, I fulfilled all three of the criteria to have my one shot at the Baptism of Fire with Starblaydia, despite being two-time Champions and obviously not a nation debuting on the international stage. Those three eligibility criteria, as posted in the OP of this thread, are:

2.2.1 Entry
The conditions for entry into the BoF are:
i) A nation must not have previously participated in a WCC-sanctioned Baptism of Fire
ii) A nation must have zero KPB points at the beginning of the World Cup cycle
iii) A nation must have signed up for the World Cup in the appropriate Signup Thread and also indicated a wish to enter the Baptism of Fire.

You get one shot per nation at the BoF. Only the oldest of nations in the World Cup could still be around without having competed in a Baptism of Fire first, or without having missed it for whatever reason. If a nation, like Lochario, competed in any of the previous three World Cups, that nation automatically doesn't get a shot at the Baptism of Fire, because their KPB rank will not be zero. Only if a KPB is zero, and if you haven't previously competed in a BoF, do you get to enter it. Facts!

[Razenthuria]

Quite literally said "I'm probably wrong" as I wasnt to sure judt brought up something I remember from reading Star's fbs. Didnt know s/he would take offense to me making a statement as I didn't know of the KPB requirement of 0 apoolgies to Neph if I was rude or something - judging from your reply I said something that made your reply bite ig.

- RZN

[Bostopia]

s/he

She. Why else would the kits be lilac?

[Geisenfried]

I intended AOCAF to be a dry run to see how I felt about things and the answer is... it wasn't half bad. So screw it, back in. Let's see how long it lasts this time. :v

[Krenorus]

When a World Cup ends, how long does it take, IC'ly, until another World Cup starts, is it four years?

[Eastfield Lodge]

When a World Cup ends, how long does it take, IC'ly, until another World Cup starts, is it four years?

Up to you. Some people RP it as 2 years, some do it as 4.