The World Cup Discussion Thread (OOC, Version IV)

[Buyan]

Update: my friend who isn't on NSS got 35%, so consider that the Mendoza Line of fictional name culture recognition...

Whoever got 34 is currently the highest.

Hours and hours of trawling through domestic newswires paid off to get above 50%... Really cool to do, nice one Neph!

[Osarius]

Exactly 50% -- though I got one of my own names wrong lol
Fun little distraction. A couple felt like trick questions to me, though.

[Chromatika]

I felt bad for my entries. Any Chromatik names before the Revolution are hodgepodge of oddballs on purpose. Now, I'm going to start introducing more French and Moroccan ones in the new generation of players.

[Gregoryisgodistan]

So I decided to run with an idea I had a while back involving combining, like. Guessing the nation that any given player belongs to from their name. I've tried to stick pretty faithfully to core name cultures only without tripping people up (Cassidy Moran is arguably the most Brenecian name in the site and Cheney Scherzer the most Nepharim, it's a shame their nationalities are the wrong way around...)

I'll admit that I can already think of a couple nations that have missed out that probably shouldn't've, so apologies if you've been left out. I mainly went from the Transfer History site, so nations that haven't really participated in transfers for a few cycles might have been overlooked. I wouldn't be against making another bigger version down the line.

Anyway: here you go. Enjoy it!

EDIT: Four plays and all four different answers given for the Matt Kilgallons...

31%. I guess Enemy Crusher Fatty Footy would just be too easy.

[Apox]

I got half of my nations players wrong lol, but still managed 54% when I did it yesterday

[Farfadillis]

I am angry at those of you who saw two accents in Enigóó yet still somehow thought he was Guayabalense.

[Cosumar]

Ayyyy. Over 50% here. Already closed out of the window but I think it was 35/60.

Cosumar intentionally has no unified nomenclature, with a pretty wide swath of ethnic origins fairly common. Though Nordic-ish ones may be the most common. And there are a few prevalent first names and surnames that ARE distinctly Cosumarite. I should make an actual list of them at some point.

[Eura]

43%. As Tom Hardy would say, "hmmm".

[Eastfield Lodge]

Ayyyy. Over 50% here. Already closed out of the window but I think it was 35/60.

Cosumar intentionally has no unified nomenclature, with a pretty wide swath of ethnic origins fairly common. Though Nordic-ish ones may be the most common. And there are a few prevalent first names and surnames that ARE distinctly Cosumarite. I should make an actual list of them at some point.

Same here Cosumar, I'll just use any hodge-podge of names. The only distinguishing factor I have I guess is that my names are really random, plus the high number of double barrels.

[Alasdair I Frosticus]

No Imperial names in the quiz, but for reference the Imperial naming conventions (when I'm using 'standard' human players) are fairly simple:

All players take Byzantine surnames.

A Byzantine surname ending with -us/-os (depending on the transliteration) is turned into an -o or -uso ending. The individual's first name will be the common English version of a Byzantine given name.

A Byzantine surname ending with -es remains unchanged, but the first name will be the Spanish version of the Byzantine given name.

So John Palaeologo, but Juan Tzimisces.

The original idea back in 2003 was that the Holy Empire was a combination of the Byzantine Empire with Paraguay, and while very few vestiges of that remain (other than players whose names end -es are generally said to come from 'the Chaco'), I kept the naming conventions.

There have been some cases where I've 'Imperialised' a non-Byzantine name for RP purposes. So the Empire's most famous epic poet is 'Guillermo Yeatses'.

[Cosumar]

Ayyyy. Over 50% here. Already closed out of the window but I think it was 35/60.

Cosumar intentionally has no unified nomenclature, with a pretty wide swath of ethnic origins fairly common. Though Nordic-ish ones may be the most common. And there are a few prevalent first names and surnames that ARE distinctly Cosumarite. I should make an actual list of them at some point.

Same here Cosumar, I'll just use any hodge-podge of names. The only distinguishing factor I have I guess is that my names are really random, plus the high number of double barrels.

Tajo Carr-Ponce

But don't you tend to also have a good proportion of Indian or middle eastern names mixed in ? Like Siddique and Wadimu.

Another distinguishing factor is that Cosumarites tend to really like names with Ks or references to celestial objects (more for females), but overall I think picking out Cosumarites from a list like this with a high degree of certainty would be more difficult than many other NS nations.

[Flardania]

No Kirishinan names huh?

Anyways Kirishinan names tend to be Korean or Japanese

Some first names are in French

And then there are some ancient cultural/religious names that have been becoming popular such as:

Girls: Mysu, Raynare, Xueli, Xenovia, Nymeli, Xisona, Kurumu, Alkano, Lyra, Filica

Guys: Luka, Aharoo, Basara, Jiren, Enitan, Negi (as opposed to Neji)

P.S: Work has been a doozy lately, will not post today. Giving up, tapping out. Will have two straight days off starting tomorrow and will post regardless if I win or get knocked out. Something major like reaching the Round of 16 for the first time, deserves to be documented.

[Eastfield Lodge]

Same here Cosumar, I'll just use any hodge-podge of names. The only distinguishing factor I have I guess is that my names are really random, plus the high number of double barrels.

Tajo Carr-Ponce

But don't you tend to also have a good proportion of Indian or middle eastern names mixed in ? Like Siddique and Wadimu.

Another distinguishing factor is that Cosumarites tend to really like names with Ks or references to celestial objects (more for females), but overall I think picking out Cosumarites from a list like this with a high degree of certainty would be more difficult than many other NS nations.

True.

[Free Republics]

Haven't checked to see if there are any Republican names on there but if you're looking for a rhyme or reason to my names, you won't find it. They're literally just the first names a generator spits out.

[Union of Socialist Alpine Republics]

I got 36% in the name quizz. I was hoping there would have a name from USAR or Prusy Krolewskie.

[Starblaydia]

45%, which wasn't great, but amused as to the very non-standard Starblaydi names chosen, as one of the least-elfy of the Elves, and one from my WC15 squad that was a direct rip from my FM (or rather CM03/04) team at the time. But good fun nonetheless.

[Nephara]

Update: my friend who isn't on NSS got 35%, so consider that the Mendoza Line of fictional name culture recognition...

Whoever got 34 is currently the highest.

Oh god, I got less ^^ but to me, a lot of the presented names looked like English or Spanish names. What would it be, for example, that makes Cassidy Moran a Brenecian and Cheney Scherzer a Nepharim name? To me, they both look like slightly uncommon, but completely acceptable RL English names. But I'm interested in other people's naming conventions, so I'd love to know!

Nepharim names are a smooth Anglo-Teutonic blend. The specific Anglo is... well, English, specifically working-class English (very few double-barreled names, no Archibalds or Clives etc). There's also a significant Hellenic minority, which is mostly straight-up Greek without much interplay with the other cultures (you won't usually see, like, Helmut Nikas) and a penchant for first names based on Greek mythology (Theseus, Eurydice, etc). Sometimes the names get more Eastern European, but nothing that's clearly, identifiably former Soviet/Yugoslavian (Nemeth/Tarashaj yes, Ivanov/Novakovic no). In terms of general convention, there are usually preferred conventional spellings (Catherine or Catheline yes, Kathleen no) and umlauts are always rendered, uh, without umlauts (Mueller). There's a handful of slightly unusual name variants that only seem to crop up in Nephara, too - Rook, Catheline, Alisander.

Iskandrian names are essentially what happens from a bunch of Nepharim settling on a Persian native culture for a while, pretty much seamlessly blended into one another.

Pravennan names are pretty much just Greek.

Brenecian names are mostly more Celtic-Australian/sometimes American. There's a few holdovers from Nephara as well, so a smattering of German and Greek makes it in, and it's definitely a more pronounced trend in more recent cycles as Brenecia's distanced itself from Nephara. Brenecians are more 'creative' with first-names in a way I find hard to describe. Not like... stupidly so (Rostyn/Auburn yes, Kaytii/Khaleesi no).

Askari names are chiefly Italian and French, but they're pretty much a blend of all Romance languages.

[Bonesea]

(Image) Bonesea vs. The Holy Empire (Image)
@ Orchard Field, 3pm

Old Boys Pompey Codger Derby

[Tomikosan]

Oh god, I got less ^^ but to me, a lot of the presented names looked like English or Spanish names. What would it be, for example, that makes Cassidy Moran a Brenecian and Cheney Scherzer a Nepharim name? To me, they both look like slightly uncommon, but completely acceptable RL English names. But I'm interested in other people's naming conventions, so I'd love to know!

Nepharim names are a smooth Anglo-Teutonic blend. The specific Anglo is... well, English, specifically working-class English (very few double-barreled names, no Archibalds or Clives etc). There's also a significant Hellenic minority, which is mostly straight-up Greek without much interplay with the other cultures (you won't usually see, like, Helmut Nikas) and a penchant for first names based on Greek mythology (Theseus, Eurydice, etc). Sometimes the names get more Eastern European, but nothing that's clearly, identifiably former Soviet/Yugoslavian (Nemeth/Tarashaj yes, Ivanov/Novakovic no). In terms of general convention, there are usually preferred conventional spellings (Catherine or Catheline yes, Kathleen no) and umlauts are always rendered, uh, without umlauts (Mueller). There's a handful of slightly unusual name variants that only seem to crop up in Nephara, too - Rook, Catheline, Alisander.

Iskandrian names are essentially what happens from a bunch of Nepharim settling on a Persian native culture for a while, pretty much seamlessly blended into one another.

Pravennan names are pretty much just Greek.

Brenecian names are mostly more Celtic-Australian/sometimes American. There's a few holdovers from Nephara as well, so a smattering of German and Greek makes it in, and it's definitely a more pronounced trend in more recent cycles as Brenecia's distanced itself from Nephara. Brenecians are more 'creative' with first-names in a way I find hard to describe. Not like... stupidly so (Rostyn/Auburn yes, Kaytii/Khaleesi no).

Askari names are chiefly Italian and French, but they're pretty much a blend of all Romance languages.

To add the naming conventions of different countries, names in Komarov-Thomiya have two types depending on the race.

1. Komarovian names are generally European names. Sometimes, the last name is often hypenated (e.g. Raùl Büchel-Steiner). Northern Komarovians have a Western European name while Southerners have a Eastern European name. Both traditional Armei first names (e.g. Taigon, Worismir, Breznev, Tyiha) and last names (e.g. Lethroko, Braeskan, Kullim, Riemar) are also Komarovian names after they blended their European-style culture with their own culture so expect some weird combinations like Taigon Davidson or Emily Lethroko. They even have their own version of 'son of' or 'daughter of'. 'Ven' is commonly used (e.g. Iroha ven Holden). Suffixes are usually ended with a vowel followed by 'ne'. I already show you an example of a footballer named Wolfgang Megurine. Another one are ice hockey players Elijah Kagamine and his twin sister Boniface. Yes, they sounded like Vocaloid names, but just because there is a suffix like this doesn't mean they are ripped from Vocaloids themselves. In fact, just add in the suffix on any word and BAM! Your average Komarovian guy/girl.

2. Thomi'yanist names come fron East Asia. You may see an abundance of Japanese, Korean, Chinese and some Russian names, as well as names from the island of Borneo. Kadazan-Dusun names are pretty much part of them (although they have English sounding names, some come from Latin). They also have a naming convention similar to a Sino-style name in which a person's name (usually English) is placed before their Chinese name. Just like the Komarovians, they blend in to make an unusual name that is simply weird irl (e.g. Air Marshal Ludwig Wong Hai Huek).

[Alasdair I Frosticus]

(Image) Bonesea vs. The Holy Empire (Image)
@ Orchard Field, 3pm

Old Boys Pompey Codger Derby

Sir, I lay down the gauntlet:

THE MAMMOTH COMPENDIUM OF WORLD CUP LIES
World Cup 78

<snip>

Bonesea coach Pythagoras Jones 'The Holy Empire are so good, I bet they'd manage to beat us in a match of greasy churning blindfolded and with one ankle tied behind their buttocks; they're that good.'

[Pasarga]

I am as of yet undecided if I am going to be switching managers or not, however I do welcome applications from now till the end of the Copa Rushmori in the form of TG for those wishing to nominate someone to possibly take on the role of the manager of the Wanderers.

[Northern Sunrise Islands]

Opens up the same door, steps out to grab an ice cream cone.

41% on my end. Probably would've done better back when I still hosted the window. Also, I'm surprised there's only three players on the list that had anything to do with me, including a +90 alumni.

Project K has potential, Flardania. I like the amount of personality the main character has.

Grabs an ice cream cone and leaves, closing the door.

[Bonesea]

Sir, I lay down the gauntlet:

Bonesea coach Pythagoras Jones 'The Holy Empire are so good, I bet they'd manage to beat us in a match of greasy churning blindfolded and with one ankle tied behind their buttocks; they're that good.'

"Pythagoras? Can you fashion a riposte?"

"Probably. How many fingers?"

"Shall we stick to the traditional two?"

"Right you are."

[Taeshan]

I took the quiz and failed terribly. But it was fun. The fun thing about Taeshani names is theoretically its a lot of English and German names, but if you look at early Taeshani names where i mostly made them off the top of my head it was a lot of hispanic names. Nowadays there is a lot of that again but I also still do a lot of random generators to find cool "foreign" names for players and when I come across names I like, specifically for future Tae players i add them specifically to my NT file so that I know eventually to add them to a team as a youth getting promoted to a bench in the league.

[Mriin]

Now that we're one round away from the Border War World Cup Final I'll be extremely disappointed if it doesn't happen.

(Disclaimer: May not actually be a border war, still need to find time to read up on what exactly the Eura/Electrum conflict is)