The World Cup Discussion Thread (OOC, Version IV)

[Savojarna]

Can I RP the events of the Baptism final in the World cup thread or would that be considered bad form?

I can't see why not, but I'd imagine people would also like to see it in the BoF thread (or at least a link), so that those following that tournament will see it.

I've RP'd non-WC games before, and I recall other people RPing games from other tourname ts, and even non-football games in the WC thread before, so I can't imagine there would be a problem.

I also like to RP an important domestic match in the last season (for example a playoff final in sports where they exist, or the last match of the league) on the pre-MD1 slot. I have never received a frown upon it... but maybe it harmed/harms my RP bonus without me being aware of it I think though that it's a nice way of staying in the realm of the sport, which I like especially in hockey, but having some action to write about rather than just some feelings from players/preview which can be quite useless if you don't know the nations you play against. Another thing I did in my first BoF was RPing my players coming second and having a celebration, while the actual BoF RP went into the BoF thread.

Would it be possible that someone punishes you for copying your own RP if you do what Barunia said? (I guess even if it was the case that could be "countered" with an OOC note though)

[Abanhfleft]

Not sure if I should post this here or in the signup thread so I'm going to double up anyway.

I can't find my puppet Copper Cuprum in the signups or the pots. Was it cut to make way for actual signups? Thanks in advance.

It was CTEd when I was doing the pots, hence, discarded.

Proof.

Image taken at 9:40 AM 30/01/2017 (CST Time) - Pots procedure was made between 5:30 PM to 8:30 PM of 29/01/2017 - Your nation CTEd at 11:00 AM of the pot drawing, since it was 22 hours after CTE when I took the picture.

Ah, crap, it was that long since I logged in to my puppets? Well, that's my mistake. Thanks for letting me know anyway.

[Drawkland]

Can I RP the events of the Baptism final in the World cup thread or would that be considered bad form?

I can't see why not, but I'd imagine people would also like to see it in the BoF thread (or at least a link), so that those following that tournament will see it.

I've RP'd non-WC games before, and I recall other people RPing games from other tourname ts, and even non-football games in the WC thread before, so I can't imagine there would be a problem.

Well, generally I like writing up RPs for the last match of the previous tournament for the current tournament, for the sake of bonus, but then post it back on the previous tournament so that it'll be easy to find as well.

If it's bad form, nobody has told me so, so I can assume it isn't.

[Amnarei-asud]

Okay, thanks. I hadn't thought about the 'continuation of story' implications. I might do a before/after style thing in both, then.

[Anglatia]

Okay, thanks. I hadn't thought about the 'continuation of story' implications. I might do a before/after style thing in both, then.

You don't get penalized for writing things that aren't directly related to qualifying. For example, Eura spent last cycle RPing a war between him and a puppet nation of his, Quebec got into the World Cup group stage while writing a series of posts about a TV show, Redblackiland has written about video games in his nation, I had my best Cup of Harmony finish while writing about domestic football that was entirely unrelated to the national team, and one of the hosts did a post series not that long ago that I think was in the World Cup that was about battles in the history of his nation, and before that he did a series related to his domestic football league. You shouldn't be afraid to do something like you were planning, you won't lose your RP bonus for it.

[The Archregimancy]

Can I RP the events of the Baptism final in the World cup thread or would that be considered bad form?

It would be bad form. Not awful form, but mildly bad form.

For reference, after consulting with both a BoF and WC host, I've already moved one BoF RP out of the WC RP thread and into the BoF thread this cycle.

Now, this situation is different. That previous match RP was by the loser of a knock-out stage match rather than a participant in the final. In this case I wouldn't necessarily go in and just move the entire RP to the thread where it ideally belongs. But it would leave the BoF thread without an important RP for its final, and that RP would then be in a completely different thread. That would look, well, odd if anyone subsequently tried to go back and look up the events of the BoF in question.

You don't get penalized for writing things that aren't directly related to qualifying. For example, Eura spent last cycle RPing a war between him and a puppet nation of his, Quebec got into the World Cup group stage while writing a series of posts about a TV show, Redblackiland has written about video games in his nation, I had my best Cup of Harmony finish while writing about domestic football that was entirely unrelated to the national team, and one of the hosts did a post series not that long ago that I think was in the World Cup that was about battles in the history of his nation, and before that he did a series related to his domestic football league. You shouldn't be afraid to do something like you were planning, you won't lose your RP bonus for it.

All true, but perhaps a completely different point to the question of whether someone should post an RP for a WCC-sanctioned event in a thread for a different WCC-sanctioned event, thereby (perhaps inadvertently in this case) gaining an RP bonus for something that happened in a different tournament.

[Farfadillis]

If anyone is interested in precedent, I don't remember anyone having a problem when Eura RP'd his WC 73 final win in the following Copa Rushmori, along two or three RPs, with no post in the original WC's RP thread. I personally didn't mind, so I obviously wouldn't mind what Amnarei-asud is proposing. Though I still would suggest posting the same RP in the BoF thread.

[The Royal Kingdom of Quebec]

SJG and I won't be penalising someone for RPing stuff about non-WCQ matters.

Can I RP the events of the Baptism final in the World cup thread or would that be considered bad form?

As a 2-time BoF host, I would prefer if you post it at Baptism of Fire. Would make the end of the well-run, excellent tournament even better in my opinion, and sometimes people would not be able to read the conclusion RP if it's in the WC's RP thread.

But it's really up to you to determine, and SJG and I have no problem with it.

Okay, thanks. I hadn't thought about the 'continuation of story' implications. I might do a before/after style thing in both, then.

You don't get penalized for writing things that aren't directly related to qualifying. For example, Eura spent last cycle RPing a war between him and a puppet nation of his, Quebec got into the World Cup group stage while writing a series of posts about a TV show, Redblackiland has written about video games in his nation, I had my best Cup of Harmony finish while writing about domestic football that was entirely unrelated to the national team, and one of the hosts did a post series not that long ago that I think was in the World Cup that was about battles in the history of his nation, and before that he did a series related to his domestic football league. You shouldn't be afraid to do something like you were planning, you won't lose your RP bonus for it.

Wrong topic, Anglatia. I don't think anybody's talking about penalising someone for that.

For my point, Arch has already covered it adequately.

[Gregoryisgodistan]

Can I RP the events of the Baptism final in the World cup thread or would that be considered bad form?

It would be bad form. Not awful form, but mildly bad form.

For reference, after consulting with both a BoF and WC host, I've already moved one BoF RP out of the WC RP thread and into the BoF thread this cycle.

Now, this situation is different. That previous match RP was by the loser of a knock-out stage match rather than a participant in the final. In this case I wouldn't necessarily go in and just move the entire RP to the thread where it ideally belongs. But it would leave the BoF thread without an important RP for its final, and that RP would then be in a completely different thread. That would look, well, odd if anyone subsequently tried to go back and look up the events of the BoF in question.

You don't get penalized for writing things that aren't directly related to qualifying. For example, Eura spent last cycle RPing a war between him and a puppet nation of his, Quebec got into the World Cup group stage while writing a series of posts about a TV show, Redblackiland has written about video games in his nation, I had my best Cup of Harmony finish while writing about domestic football that was entirely unrelated to the national team, and one of the hosts did a post series not that long ago that I think was in the World Cup that was about battles in the history of his nation, and before that he did a series related to his domestic football league. You shouldn't be afraid to do something like you were planning, you won't lose your RP bonus for it.

All true, but perhaps a completely different point to the question of whether someone should post an RP for a WCC-sanctioned event in a thread for a different WCC-sanctioned event, thereby (perhaps inadvertently in this case) gaining an RP bonus for something that happened in a different tournament.

It's also worth noting that eliminated teams in the knockout stage generally let the winner RP the match as a courtesy, and while they might reference specific events later whether the opponent chose to RP it or not, they'd generally not be doing a whole RP about it, or at least not the first whole RP about it. People might RP it later for fun, but they probably wouldn't be the first.

Whoever wins the championship (or third-place match I suppose) is going to want to RP it probably. Also, there's the fact that after the final, the tournament is over but there are still games to be played after earlier knockout stage games. So, as Arch explained, it's different. Again, this isn't a hard and fast rule, but is how it's usually done.

I would have no problem with it if I were host (or if I were hosting a regional competition and the World Cup or Cup of Harmony champion RPed it there) but I'm not host. They're OK with it too, though I concur it should also be posted in the BoF thread for completeness's sake.

Ultimately though, as a general rule, if the host is OK with it, you can do it (assuming it doesn't violate a general forum rule like picspam of course, though no decent host would tolerate that anyway.) If the host says don't do it, don't do it.

[Bonesea]

Can I RP the events of the Baptism final in the World cup thread or would that be considered bad form?

With trepidation I'm going to disagree with Arch. I don't see it as an issue. Poor form if it's a copy & paste from another thread but I don't know why a host would single out this RP subject for some kind of sanction against any other.

That said I always think it's a shame if a competition winner doesn't close a thread with a champion's post. And as co-host of the BoF you're referring to, having very much enjoyed your RPs, I'd love to see you finish up the thread.

[Spaam]

Can I RP the events of the Baptism final in the World cup thread or would that be considered bad form?

With trepidation I'm going to disagree with Arch. I don't see it as an issue. Poor form if it's a copy & paste from another thread but I don't know why a host would single out this RP subject for some kind of sanction against any other.

That said I always think it's a shame if a competition winner doesn't close a thread with a champion's post. And as co-host of the BoF you're referring to, having very much enjoyed your RPs, I'd love to see you finish up the thread.

I think the point is that it is bad form to RP the final of the BoF in the WC if you haven't already RPed in the BoF as it seems you are just trying to game the system for RP bonus. Doing it in both would be perfectly fine.

[The Archregimancy]

Though I still would suggest posting the same RP in the BoF thread.

Doing it in both would be perfectly fine.

That's the obvious solution, and one which I think we would all be comfortable with.

I think the point is that it is bad form to RP the final of the BoF in the WC if you haven't already RPed in the BoF as it seems you are just trying to game the system for RP bonus.

I want to take a moment to stress that I don't think that Amnarei-asud is doing this intentionally; I think his heart is entirely in the right place - he did, after all, ask for advice on how to proceed, which isn't something someone who was trying to pull a sneaky fast one would likely do.

However, it is an accusation that could be made in this situation, and while the resulting RP bonus would be piffling enough to likely not be worth the hassle, it's an unnecessary argument that's easily avoided.

[Amnarei-asud]

For the sake of clarity, my intention wasn't ever to do a match report of the Baptism final in the World Cup thread. That would definitely look like I was taking advantage of the threads being open at the same time. More, the human aftermath. But yes, grey area studied and understood by the grey matter, I think. Expect closure tomorrow. In both threads, hopefully.

[Northern Sunrise Islands]

It was CTEd when I was doing the pots, hence, discarded.

Proof.

Image taken at 9:40 AM 30/01/2017 (CST Time) - Pots procedure was made between 5:30 PM to 8:30 PM of 29/01/2017 - Your nation CTEd at 11:00 AM of the pot drawing, since it was 22 hours after CTE when I took the picture.

Ah, crap, it was that long since I logged in to my puppets? Well, that's my mistake. Thanks for letting me know anyway.

As a suggestion from someone that needs to keep checking on puppets, take a day of the month to log on all of them. Lifesaver.

[San Jose Guayabal]

The groups have been posted and rightly randomised, the links for the teams in each group will be placed during the weekend.

[Vilita and Turori]

That said I always think it's a shame if a competition winner doesn't close a thread with a champion's post.

Agreed.

[Veldgouwen]

Am I correct in assuming that the top 2 of each group qualifies and that there is no play-off format? If I somehow skipped the answer in the bid or RP thread, don't hesitate to mention so - and apologies in that case.

[Chromatika]

Am I correct in assuming that the top 2 of each group qualifies and that there is no play-off format? If I somehow skipped the answer in the bid or RP thread, don't hesitate to mention so - and apologies in that case.

You are correct. Thirty always qualify along with two hosts. As there are fifteen groups, the Top two qualify.

[San Jose Guayabal]

Am I correct in assuming that the top 2 of each group qualifies and that there is no play-off format? If I somehow skipped the answer in the bid or RP thread, don't hesitate to mention so - and apologies in that case.

Yes, top two of each group qualifies, no need of playoffs. By the way, the specifications about format are now posted on the RP thread.

[The Archregimancy]

For the sake of clarity, my intention wasn't ever to do a match report of the Baptism final in the World Cup thread. That would definitely look like I was taking advantage of the threads being open at the same time. More, the human aftermath.

Ah, well that's a different issue entirely.

Fire away, and apologies for any misunderstanding there.

[Krytenia]

Agreed.

...give me two hours and a hammer.

[Blouman Empire]

Is there any issue from either the hosts or the EWCC for explaining my absence from the World Cup as the EWCC expelling the Football Federation of Bloumany from the WCC and thus unable to participate in WCC-sanctioned events? Expulsion would be due to misconduct (I was thinking match-fixing) really like to do it as my first RP rather than having some vague reason since the real reason doesn't translate to RP.

[Nephara]

Half a mind to abuse my status as WCC VP to force through some kind of motion to declare Gary Corsie the greatest character in NS history, tbh

(what do you mean 'I don't actually have the power to do that')

[Kosovakia]

Just a question, I participate in my first ever WCQ, But what is the chance that I win against an top 100 Nation? Is it an huge difference or? It's new for me and I Always say 'still have to learn a lot from you guys'

[Savojarna]

Just a question, I participate in my first ever WCQ, But what is the chance that I win against an top 100 Nation? Is it an huge difference or? It's new for me and I Always say 'still have to learn a lot from you guys'

Well, when I joined with Ficiscia in WC74, I made the playoffs in my first attempt from what I think was 157 (I remember for sure I lost the BoF final to Amazonesta), including a draw and a win against Kandorith IIRC, who I think was Top 20 back then. In that campaign, I beat at least two (I think actually three) top 100 nations, but I also RP'd daily. I don't think that my RP was of particularly high quality - it was just match reports basically - but from my experience, posting average content daily tends to be enough to lift you up quite a bit. And in my case, posting average stuff daily seemed to yield better results than posting more extensive stuff that I took more time for, but do so only every other match.

So, in conclusion, obviously a lot depends on your BoF performance, your RP and your luck. But it is definitely possible to beat a nation 100 ranks ahead of you, especially if said nation has gotten a bit lazy with their RP. But probably more important is how well you do compared to other 100-150 nations, since this is the area where you can expect to collect a few KPB points and jump some ranks for next edition. Once again, looking to Ficiscia, after my third and last campaign I was solidly in the Top 50 IIRC, but then I admit there was some unreal amount of luck involved. I still feel bad for the WC76 campaign, given that I quit NS during it. But it seems that it's not wrong to expect solid shots at qualifying in a few cycles if you RP regularly and have some luck. All based on personal experience as a player though, without any insight into how things really work.