The World Cup Discussion Thread (OOC, version III)

[Estenia]

Also, is the COH on a sign-up or invitation basis?

The CoH is based on invitation, with the best RPers who didn't qualify for the World Cup receiving an invitation.

Something that will not happen to me until 2015-2016. Also stop about that 80 metre goals, I stopped doing this godmodding.

[Polar Islandstates]

We had the situation with Slembana a while back, when he'd often RP Val Kylx scoring a 35-yard bicycle kick (i.e. something pretty darn impossible) in the 9th minutes of stoppage time to complete a 3-goal comeback. I don't think people actually called this as godmodding, but it just got a tad annoying as it was a little unrealistic.

[Audioslavia]

Just to put PIS's point into words, said Slembanan thirty-five-yard-over-head-kick RP was written a day or two after Timo Skye's Zlatan Ibrahimovic's insane goal against England.

As for godmodding in general, it just boils down to bad storytelling. We're all guilty of it in some way. How many of us created our 'greatest player of all time' in our first cup, only to have them long-since-retired by the time our national team started doing well? *waggles finger at 'Starblaydia, Eura, Polar Islandstates among others*

[San Jose Guayabal]

We had the situation with Slembana a while back, when he'd often RP Val Kylx scoring a 35-yard bicycle kick (i.e. something pretty darn impossible) in the 9th minutes of stoppage time to complete a 3-goal comeback. I don't think people actually called this as godmodding, but it just got a tad annoying as it was a little unrealistic.

Zlatan would beg to differ...

Sverige Über Alles

[Estenia]

Zlatan would beg to differ...

Sverige Über Alles

He is THE different.

[Estenia]

Sorry for that spammy post but I have to do this.

*Watches Abnhfleft losing*

*faints for 2 minutes*

WTF ABANHFLEFT LOST!

*faints again*

*Wins Wolfbenz*

*Faints*

WTF I WON WOLFBENZ!

*faints again*

Sorry lads where were we?

[Uitbregen]

We had the situation with Slembana a while back, when he'd often RP Val Kylx scoring a 35-yard bicycle kick (i.e. something pretty darn impossible) in the 9th minutes of stoppage time to complete a 3-goal comeback. I don't think people actually called this as godmodding, but it just got a tad annoying as it was a little unrealistic.

OK. That was one goal scored, out of several million that have been scored over the centuries. The point I was trying to illustrate was that was is not normal in IRL (i.e. a different example, a last minute hat-trick) became normal in Slem's RPs. I appreciate that it's happened before, but it's very uncommom, so where does the line get drawn between godmodding and just excessive unusual stuff?

And come on, that ain't 35 yards. 30 tops.

[Barunia]

How many of us created our 'greatest player of all time' in our first cup, only to have them long-since-retired by the time our national team started doing well? *waggles finger at 'Starblaydia, Eura, Polar Islandstates among others*

Hehe, Joric Ruskin didn't even get that far for me. Well, one World Cup game.

[San Jose Guayabal]

Seeing that we are near to the end of the 500 pages, let me give you a handy pastebin archive with constitution et all needed
http://pastebin.com/4W2sBx67

[Starblaydia]

In B4 'Race to Version 4' and 'Race to fill up Version 4'

[Gregoryisgodistan]

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OK. That was one goal scored, out of several million that have been scored over the centuries. The point I was trying to illustrate was that was is not normal in IRL (i.e. a different example, a last minute hat-trick) became normal in Slem's RPs. I appreciate that it's happened before, but it's very uncommom, so where does the line get drawn between godmodding and just excessive unusual stuff?

And come on, that ain't 35 yards. 30 tops.

One unusual goal per tournament is not excessive, provided it's at least remotely plausible. If it were something ridiculously unusual, like a puppy running onto the field and kicking the ball into the net, that would be godmodding even if it only happened once. If it's just something like an impressive bicycle kick goal or an 80 meter goal, then maybe an individual nation gets one every few tournaments, if that, and an individual player probably only gets one per career.

But then that raises other problems - suppose a nation first plays a team with godmodding allowed, and has a spectacular goal, which we just established isn't godmodding if done very rarely. Then, they play a team who doesn't allow godmodding scoring events, so they can't do it twice. But if it were the other way around, and they played the team that disallowed godmodding scoring events first, they would still be able to do both since it's apparently not godmodding the first time. And that just doesn't make sense. Of course, you could argue in hindsight it was godmodding the first time because they were RP'ing it as something routine, but I don't know if it's possible to retroactively violate someone's RP permissions. I would say that if you establish that it's a routine way of scoring, then even the first time you score that way, it's godmodding. Therefore, since Estenia established before the tournament that this 80 meter goal was a routine way of scoring, it would be considered godmodding even the first time. Had he not established that, it would not be godmodding the first time since it could be written off as a freak goal until later RPs contradicted that. But that has its flaws too. Regardless, routinely scoring from 80 meters, or making 35 meter bicycle kicks to complete 3 goal comebacks right as the game ends, is bad form and if I were host, it would not get much RP Bonus. But it's not necessarily godmodding, depending on the circumstances.

[Starblaydia]

Eh, double post, but who minds, really? Old-timer prerogative.

As for godmodding in general, it just boils down to bad storytelling. We're all guilty of it in some way. How many of us created our 'greatest player of all time' in our first cup, only to have them long-since-retired by the time our national team started doing well? *waggles finger at 'Starblaydia, Eura, Polar Islandstates among others*

Here's the thing:

Simeone Di Bradini was never a godmod striker. Never turned 4-0 down into 5-4 up in the 90th minute like Jenji Y, never scored from outside of twenty-odd yards and maybe managed two hat-tricks in his entire career. Ending with 84 international appearances and 44 goals, he wasn't even on the team for Starblaydia's first World Cup, despite existing and playing for the Under-21s at the time. He only played club football well into his 40s because Vilita only had 2 years per Cup compared to my four, so it was 'something in the water' keeping him young - also bear in mind he was player-managing in Vil's second division at the time. Going on to win trophies as a manager of Starblaydia at Under-21 and Senior level is, of course, just good timing, while being President of the World Cup Committee blurred IC and OOC lines in the best way possible.

Everything that happened with death and continuation in the Dreamed Realm, along with reality-hopping in a more convoluted and still-unfinished timeline than the Doctor himself is, probably, godmodding, but no less than how Jeremy Jaffacake, for instance, was still alive last week.

A decent number of Starblaydia strikers have scored more goals, and a few did so in significantly less games. He never even won anything internationally as a player (before The Holy Empire came along, of course), having been transferred out of Iskara Daii for £40M when it was still (iirc) a transfer record just before they won, quite typically, the NS Champions League.

Everybody needs a talisman in their early WC days and he was - hell, still is - mine. An obvious author avatar, certainly, but it's only the very Starblaydi-brand of shameless self-promotion that keeps his name out there as one of the greatest of all time. In NS histories, recognition is more important than skill when it comes to how famous characters are. Val Kylx was absolutely, shamelessly and deliberately godmodded in every single match that Slembana played because he thought that the stats would put Kylx up among the greats immediately. But, because we make these stats up ourselves and everyone does it differently, stats are essentially meaningless. To make great players, ones that are remembered by the community at large, you first have to make great characters.

Urk. Alan Belmore. Laborious Hawk. Juan Tzimices. Dazza Dallas. Brian Wilson. Jenji Y. These are the ones who get in the 'best player in NS history' debates because we remember them, their deeds, their characters. Same for the non-players like Jeremy Jaffacake, or Basil & Theo. They don't live in our minds because of X goals in X games, but because they've been written as characters we love, ones we look for in each RP from our favourite players.

I'd be very happy to have the community at large consider Simeone Di Bradini as one of those characters, yes. But godmodded? Barely

[West Angola]

Just to put PIS's point into words, said Slembanan thirty-five-yard-over-head-kick RP was written a day or two after Timo Skye's Zlatan Ibrahimovic's insane goal against England.

As for godmodding in general, it just boils down to bad storytelling. We're all guilty of it in some way. How many of us created our 'greatest player of all time' in our first cup, only to have them long-since-retired by the time our national team started doing well? *waggles finger at 'Starblaydia, Eura, Polar Islandstates among others*

Some of us just had him go through multiple age regressions.

[Estenia]

Eh, double post, but who minds, really? Old-timer prerogative.

As for godmodding in general, it just boils down to bad storytelling. We're all guilty of it in some way. How many of us created our 'greatest player of all time' in our first cup, only to have them long-since-retired by the time our national team started doing well? *waggles finger at 'Starblaydia, Eura, Polar Islandstates among others*

Here's the thing:

Simeone Di Bradini was never a godmod striker. Never turned 4-0 down into 5-4 up in the 90th minute like Jenji Y, never scored from outside of twenty-odd yards and maybe managed two hat-tricks in his entire career. Ending with 84 international appearances and 44 goals, he wasn't even on the team for Starblaydia's first World Cup, despite existing and playing for the Under-21s at the time. He only played club football well into his 40s because Vilita only had 2 years per Cup compared to my four, so it was 'something in the water' keeping him young - also bear in mind he was player-managing in Vil's second division at the time. Going on to win trophies as a manager of Starblaydia at Under-21 and Senior level is, of course, just good timing, while being President of the World Cup Committee blurred IC and OOC lines in the best way possible.

Everything that happened with death and continuation in the Dreamed Realm, along with reality-hopping in a more convoluted and still-unfinished timeline than the Doctor himself is, probably, godmodding, but no less than how Jeremy Jaffacake, for instance, was still alive last week.

A decent number of Starblaydia strikers have scored more goals, and a few did so in significantly less games. He never even won anything internationally as a player (before The Holy Empire came along, of course), having been transferred out of Iskara Daii for £40M when it was still (iirc) a transfer record just before they won, quite typically, the NS Champions League.

Everybody needs a talisman in their early WC days and he was - hell, still is - mine. An obvious author avatar, certainly, but it's only the very Starblaydi-brand of shameless self-promotion that keeps his name out there as one of the greatest of all time. In NS histories, recognition is more important than skill when it comes to how famous characters are. Val Kylx was absolutely, shamelessly and deliberately godmodded in every single match that Slembana played because he thought that the stats would put Kylx up among the greats immediately. But, because we make these stats up ourselves and everyone does it differently, stats are essentially meaningless. To make great players, ones that are remembered by the community at large, you first have to make great characters.

Urk. Alan Belmore. Laborious Hawk. Juan Tzimices. Dazza Dallas. Brian Wilson. Jenji Y. These are the ones who get in the 'best player in NS history' debates because we remember them, their deeds, their characters. Same for the non-players like Jeremy Jaffacake, or Basil & Theo. They don't live in our minds because of X goals in X games, but because they've been written as characters we love, ones we look for in each RP from our favourite players.

I'd be very happy to have the community at large consider Simeone Di Bradini as one of those characters, yes. But godmodded? Barely

Hey I don't godmod with Maksimov nor Makareshi y'all know. They are mah best playas of all time, as of yet.

[Taeshan]

Eh, double post, but who minds, really? Old-timer prerogative.

Here's the thing:

Simeone Di Bradini was never a godmod striker. Never turned 4-0 down into 5-4 up in the 90th minute like Jenji Y, never scored from outside of twenty-odd yards and maybe managed two hat-tricks in his entire career. Ending with 84 international appearances and 44 goals, he wasn't even on the team for Starblaydia's first World Cup, despite existing and playing for the Under-21s at the time. He only played club football well into his 40s because Vilita only had 2 years per Cup compared to my four, so it was 'something in the water' keeping him young - also bear in mind he was player-managing in Vil's second division at the time. Going on to win trophies as a manager of Starblaydia at Under-21 and Senior level is, of course, just good timing, while being President of the World Cup Committee blurred IC and OOC lines in the best way possible.

Everything that happened with death and continuation in the Dreamed Realm, along with reality-hopping in a more convoluted and still-unfinished timeline than the Doctor himself is, probably, godmodding, but no less than how Jeremy Jaffacake, for instance, was still alive last week.

A decent number of Starblaydia strikers have scored more goals, and a few did so in significantly less games. He never even won anything internationally as a player (before The Holy Empire came along, of course), having been transferred out of Iskara Daii for £40M when it was still (iirc) a transfer record just before they won, quite typically, the NS Champions League.

Everybody needs a talisman in their early WC days and he was - hell, still is - mine. An obvious author avatar, certainly, but it's only the very Starblaydi-brand of shameless self-promotion that keeps his name out there as one of the greatest of all time. In NS histories, recognition is more important than skill when it comes to how famous characters are. Val Kylx was absolutely, shamelessly and deliberately godmodded in every single match that Slembana played because he thought that the stats would put Kylx up among the greats immediately. But, because we make these stats up ourselves and everyone does it differently, stats are essentially meaningless. To make great players, ones that are remembered by the community at large, you first have to make great characters.

Urk. Alan Belmore. Laborious Hawk. Juan Tzimices. Dazza Dallas. Brian Wilson. Jenji Y. These are the ones who get in the 'best player in NS history' debates because we remember them, their deeds, their characters. Same for the non-players like Jeremy Jaffacake, or Basil & Theo. They don't live in our minds because of X goals in X games, but because they've been written as characters we love, ones we look for in each RP from our favourite players.

I'd be very happy to have the community at large consider Simeone Di Bradini as one of those characters, yes. But godmodded? Barely

Hey I don't godmod with Maksimov nor Makareshi y'all know. They are mah best playas of all time, as of yet.

Never forget Brian Ying Uing's 247 goals in 207 appearances.

[Frisbeeteria]

Time for somebody to start a new thread.