The World Cup Discussion Thread (OOC, version III)

[The Sarian]

Of course it is when I am on holiday, so can not RP that I get good results...

[Valanora]

As I will be preparing for a relocation, one that will likely not be having internet at least the immediate timeframe, will be wishing my luck to everyone else competing in the tournament and to see you when I see you.

[The Royal Kingdom of Quebec]

RKQ 1-2 Sandwich Territories
HFC 1-1 Eura

Geez folks, what's with all the hissy fits today? Riots, mob justice, phantom red cards, obvious referee bias. So you had a bad game. There's no reason to go off blaming everything on the refs and intentionally injuring other players. Be classy and just say you weren't on your game.

-Does his best McGonagall impression, complete with frosty look over the glasses: "I am very disappointed in you both."

Edit: The statement above sounds a little harsh, and it's not quite meant to be, but the RP's do smack a little of "sour grapes". And before anyone says anything, yes, I did justify out scoreless draw away to Azrea with a red card. However, it was completely deserved (though an unintentional act) and we didn't make a big fuss about it ICly.

-Gives Nova Anglicana the best of his voldemort impression, with a death stare*

I did talk to Sandwich over it, and he accepted it. In fact, most of events that happened in second half were from his suggestions, in which I gladly accepted to do so So I did this, with permission

[Eura]

RKQ 1-2 Sandwich Territories
HFC 1-1 Eura

Geez folks, what's with all the hissy fits today? Riots, mob justice, phantom red cards, obvious referee bias. So you had a bad game. There's no reason to go off blaming everything on the refs and intentionally injuring other players. Be classy and just say you weren't on your game.

I would've thought it was obvious that a newspaper article which uses such strong terms as calling them "cheating monks" and not criticising the poor behaviour of their own manager in a post match press conference should be taken with a pinch of salt. I think you're mistaking a team losing the plot IC'ly with the person in charge of the nation having a "hissy fit". Certainly, all Eura did in response was injure a player, though the consequences of that injury have been left perfectly open as per the RP permissions of the other nation (though that nation isn't going to RP it anyway I don't think.) Oh, and the article also suggests Eura played poorly and failed to threaten. For most of the game. And are on poor form. So neither part of your criticism really applies well here, unless you're presuming that no team should ever be RP'ed as playing dirty on or off the field at any point? Mytannion would've liked a word if he were around.

A team and a newspaper reporter losing the plot IC'ly at a bad result with some contentious decision making is not petty writing, its me trying to reflect the teams frustrations. Trust me, I was more annoyed with losing to Glaser last cycle by a long shot and I don't think I RPed anything of that sort then. In fact I drew 0-0 with you as top seed when you were a substantially lower rank IIRC and didn't RP anything spiteful (I think I RPed your team parking the bus against a superior side which is fairly realistic given how defensive your modifier was, and that it was a 0-0). Now Quebec's RP is a bit, er, "different", but I don't like your comparison of the two. Next time perhaps you should make a more valid comparison.

EDIT - Though to be fair to Quebec, its apparently a joint thing between him and ST, so...

[Darmen]

(though that nation isn't going to RP it anyway I don't think.)

You think wrong. Your RP has given me the perfect inspiration.

[Eura]

(though that nation isn't going to RP it anyway I don't think.)

You think wrong. Your RP has given me the perfect inspiration.

Fair play I swear to god though, if you turn that guy into a cyborg after his legs break and send him to try and kill Eura's leadership or something, the Westland's are going to get glassed.

[The Inevitable Syndicate]

You think wrong. Your RP has given me the perfect inspiration.

Fair play I swear to god though, if you turn that guy into a cyborg after his legs break and send him to try and kill Eura's leadership or something, the Westland's are going to get glassed.

What did Valladares do wrong?

[Eura]

Fair play I swear to god though, if you turn that guy into a cyborg after his legs break and send him to try and kill Eura's leadership or something, the Westland's are going to get glassed.

What did Valladares do wrong?

Close enough.

[San Jose Guayabal]

Fair play I swear to god though, if you turn that guy into a cyborg after his legs break and send him to try and kill Eura's leadership or something, the Westland's are going to get glassed.

What did Valladares do wrong?

Everything, what can you expect from him?

[Patistan]

Guys *gulp* When I had my first WC qualifying my RPs were very bad like very. Now I need your opinion on how they are and if I have gone for the better or worse?

(If you actually do read my RPs the latest one I wrote is short)

[Nova Anglicana]

-Gives Nova Anglicana the best of his voldemort impression, with a death stare*

I did talk to Sandwich over it, and he accepted it. In fact, most of events that happened in second half were from his suggestions, in which I gladly accepted to do so So I did this, with permission

In that case, I apologize for casting aspersions, seeing as it was a collaborative decision. Still, 52 vs 67 isn't an automatic win.

I would've thought it was obvious that a newspaper article which uses such strong terms as calling them "cheating monks" and not criticising the poor behaviour of their own manager in a post match press conference should be taken with a pinch of salt. I think you're mistaking a team losing the plot IC'ly with the person in charge of the nation having a "hissy fit". Certainly, all Eura did in response was injure a player, though the consequences of that injury have been left perfectly open as per the RP permissions of the other nation (though that nation isn't going to RP it anyway I don't think.) Oh, and the article also suggests Eura played poorly and failed to threaten. For most of the game. And are on poor form. So neither part of your criticism really applies well here, unless you're presuming that no team should ever be RP'ed as playing dirty on or off the field at any point? Mytannion would've liked a word if he were around.

A team and a newspaper reporter losing the plot IC'ly at a bad result with some contentious decision making is not petty writing, its me trying to reflect the teams frustrations. Trust me, I was more annoyed with losing to Glaser last cycle by a long shot and I don't think I RPed anything of that sort then. In fact I drew 0-0 with you as top seed when you were a substantially lower rank IIRC and didn't RP anything spiteful (I think I RPed your team parking the bus against a superior side which is fairly realistic given how defensive your modifier was, and that it was a 0-0). Now Quebec's RP is a bit, er, "different", but I don't like your comparison of the two. Next time perhaps you should make a more valid comparison.

EDIT - Though to be fair to Quebec, its apparently a joint thing between him and ST, so...

As I recall, you were something like 4th in the world and I was 117th, HFC is...(checks spreadsheet) 171st. And we probably would have parked the bus, so no problems there. I think the problem I had was that you were resting several players, and could have easily gone with "oh, our subs played poorly and we lost" rather than needing a red card and two missed offside calls to prevent you from winning. Look at Buyan's RP. He gave all of his players poor grades for their play, but no red cards or poor decisions by the referee when he drew FSS 0-0.

I think (possibly because I read RKQ's RP right before yours) that I read it in a much more angry tone than upon second look (so sorry for that). I guess my biggest beef is that (even though poor refereeing is a part of the sport) it felt like you put the most blame on the referees for the loss rather than your players. And in RL, that's the clear sign of a poor sport. This is not RL, I know, but still. I have RP'd my veteran sweeper being a little rough in the past (and picking up yellows along the way), but playing to deliberately injure someone is also the sign of a poor sport. And trust me, my nation's pretty good at baseball, and I have been outraged by some of the results we've had against poor teams, but I haven't gone with the "the ump cost us the game" angle, just that we played inexplicably poorly. I wouldn't consider blaming the referees for my loss in any sports RP, and I guess it bugs me when people do it. Even though they're completely at liberty to do so and I can't force anyone to do anything (rightly so).

[sarcasm] Quite frankly, I think we should all be like Absurdly Polite Gentlemen and try to lose or draw our games. It's the only civilized thing to do.[/sarcasm]

So apologies to you for conflating your OOC and IC voices, though what with the FFR/SJG tiff, I felt like there could have been some issue. And you're right, RKQ and Eura's reactions were different, but the commonality of the poor refereeing was there. So sorry for flimsily linking two separate reactions together and appearing to treat them the same way. No hard feelings?

EDIT: Oh, and feel free to rip the Nova Anglican press if you like for their "holier-than-thou" mentality.

[Eura]

As I recall, you were something like 4th in the world and I was 117th, HFC is...(checks spreadsheet) 171st. And we probably would have parked the bus, so no problems there. I think the problem I had was that you were resting several players, and could have easily gone with "oh, our subs played poorly and we lost" rather than needing a red card and two missed offside calls to prevent you from winning. Look at Buyan's RP. He gave all of his players poor grades for their play, but no red cards or poor decisions by the referee when he drew FSS 0-0.

I rested a handful of starters, the players coming in are IC'ly good enough to be beating sides like HFC if you go just by rankings. I RP'ed them as playing poorly but also being hampered by some controversial decisions. I didn't need to do the latter, but why the hell not? I honestly usually put down losses to poor performance and good opposition performance, or to Eura putting a second string out. This is a bit of variation, another factor, not being sore or whatever just RP'ing the game as not being a super le classy affair like most.

I think (possibly because I read RKQ's RP right before yours) that I read it in a much more angry tone than upon second look (so sorry for that). I guess my biggest beef is that (even though poor refereeing is a part of the sport) it felt like you put the most blame on the referees for the loss rather than your players.

Yeah, its entirely in character though. Don't worry about it.

And in RL, that's the clear sign of a poor sport. This is not RL, I know, but still. I have RP'd my veteran sweeper being a little rough in the past (and picking up yellows along the way), but playing to deliberately injure someone is also the sign of a poor sport.

Yes, it's a sign of a Euran player IC'ly being a poor sport against someone who he felt wronged the team - and did wrong Eura canonically according to Holy Forden Church's latest RP. Why this translates to me being a poor sport I don't know when its entirely up to HFC if the injury heals in 2 minutes or is bad.

And trust me, my nation's pretty good at baseball, and I have been outraged by some of the results we've had against poor teams, but I haven't gone with the "the ump cost us the game" angle, just that we played inexplicably poorly.

That's entirely your preference, but nevertheless has no bearing on whether its wrong or not for someone else to RP the idea of a person in IC being upset by a sporting result. That would never happen in real life of course!

I wouldn't consider blaming the referees for my loss in any sports RP, and I guess it bugs me when people do it. Even though they're completely at liberty to do so and I can't force anyone to do anything (rightly so).

I don't see why you let it bug you because it seems like something that is a bit trivial to be so concerned about or high minded about, even if you have the best of intentions. Really I would only let myself be annoyed by something like that these days under the following circumstances:

1. The person does it every single time they don't get a favourable result.
2. The person clearly RP's every single game in a straight manner where what they write is what happens canonically IC, with no room for a character to exaggerate or lie.

So apologies to you for conflating your OOC and IC voices, though what with the FFR/SJG tiff, I felt like there could have been some issue. And you're right, RKQ and Eura's reactions were different, but the commonality of the poor refereeing was there. So sorry for flimsily linking two separate reactions together and appearing to treat them the same way.

To be fully frank? They are two entirely different people who seem to be more shall we say "enthusiastic" about ingame banter or rivalry than usual in recent times. FFR's IC character was very provocative and SJG happened to not pick up on that and it led to a silly argument. I'm not sure why you assumed the same thing must have happened with me when I've been around longer and gone through some shittier shock results without ever getting into a heated argument about this stuff since I was a newbie. (Fucking Novikov D:<) There was one time where I temporarily misjudged a Cass RP in like, my 4th cycle, but we turned that into a fun IC rivalry. AND I WON, EURA FUCK YEAH.

No hard feelings?

Of course. I just wanted to be clear about where I stand. For one thing, I'm perfectly happy to occasionally RP Euran's being IC'ly unsporting because to me its better than trying to paint them as perfect. Hell, I've RPed some really dodgy off field shit from Eura and just in my RP's in general and others have done too (including FFR with the Theriault character). Old couple having grotesque intercourse in front of a civil servant? Check. Death camp? Check. Torture? Check. A Euran R rated movie with almost hilarious levels of puppy killing and violence towards innocents in a lazy attempt at sick humour? CHECK!

Plus it balances out the occasions where they actually do get fucked over in other RP's. Like, I don't know, an occasion where a shot from my striker to win the World Cup semi final is not scored through skill but by a deflection, against a team of four legged beasts that don't even have opposable fucking thumbs. A deflection of the avian variety. Off a certain kind of...goose.

NEVER. FORGET.

[Gregoryisgodistan]

I don't feel like quoting a really lengthy post, so I'm not going to do that, but I'm going to chime in. I have RP'd Gregoryisgodistani hockey players crushing opposing officials and players to death as a result of things not going their way, making sure I respect RP permissions of my opponent. It has never drawn any serious complaints. IC-ly, our Enemy Crushers are sociopathic, morbidly obese brutes. This is exactly what they do. It doesn't mean I'm being a poor sport OOC-ly, it means they are IC-ly, because they are. Of course, the key is to respect RP permissions. As long as Eura kept in line with his opponent's RP permissions concerning injuries (assuming they were posted) I don't see the problem. I would not crush an opposing player unless either I had my opponent's explicit permission or they had not posted any RP permissions and had no established history in the tournament.

But the bottom line is that assuming there has been no RP permissions violation, being a bad sport IC-ly is not the same as being a bad sport OOC-ly. Free Republics is not a jerk OOC-ly, even though pretty much every character in his nation is. Saintland is not a misogynistic pig OOC-ly, even though the only people in his nation who aren't are terrorists. I am not a psychopath OOC-ly. Cassadaigua wasn't a reverse sexist OOC-ly before she left. So a certain character being a poor sport should not reflect on the user. And seriously, if crushing all referees, alternate referees, and backup alternate referees in the same hockey match because they wouldn't overturn a penalty, then threatening to crush the backup backup alternate referees if they don't overturn said penalty, at which point they do so out of fear of meeting the same fate, doesn't spark such intense OOC argument, then this really should not. Killing 12 officials is being a lot worse sport ICly than injuring one player with an unspecified degree of seriousness. Not to mention the Enemy Crushers ultimately got their way IC-ly and Eura did not, which makes it even worse. But it was clear that it wasn't me OOC-ly being a bad sport. And I think that's clear here too.

Edit: If I'm going to do something extreme to another nation that would go against his stated RP permissions, but I have that nation's permission to do it anyway, I'd generally post a short OOC note at the top of the RP to that effect. See Part 1 of my storyline about assassinating Consul Piazza for an example. (Rather than post it again for Part 2, I just linked to Part 1.) It was mostly FFR's idea - he wanted me to assassinate the Consul before that match but I came up with the specifics. Nonetheless, I didn't want anyone to think I was doing anything improper, and I figured it was easier to add a short OOC note to the first part than get into a fight later.

[Nova Anglicana]

Greg, part of your whole shtick is killing people and being generally insane. And everyone knows that. So of course we all know you're not a psychopath (probably).

[West Angola]

Farf, your country seems to have an oddly high amount of concern for janitors when compared to the concern for your national leader...

[Farfadillis]

Farf, your country seems to have an oddly high amount of concern for janitors when compared to the concern for your national leader...

Oh, uhm, yeah. I blame my lack of creativity. You know what they say, if you can't come up with an idea for an RP, kill your head of state in highly bizarre circumstances.

[West Angola]

Oh, uhm, yeah. I blame my lack of creativity. You know what they say, if you can't come up with an idea for an RP, kill your head of state in highly bizarre circumstances.

Who me ?

[Alasdair I Frosticus]

Struggling with a bad cold today.

In theory this shouldn't interfere with scorination, but I'll ask for patience in advance just in case I'm reduced to going to bed and then doze off.

[Blouman Empire]

It being your first time is something you should remember, I am yet to face you so haven't done the research but I expect that you participated in the BoF so you do have some KBP already, just keep slogging away they will come. Remember that there is also a luck factor so chances are you will end up getting your first win against me knocking me out of qualification contention.

Red Blackiland 0–0 Blouman Empire

.... how did you know?

Just happened to me often enough that I knew it would happen again. Though I didn't get it quite right was only a draw but first points against the top seed tends to happen a lot in the qualifiers.

[United Eastedge]

Guys, could you rate from 1 to 10 my RP storyline (including both parts), Black Heels? Sincerely, I'm out pf ideas this time around.

[Blouman Empire]

RKQ 1-2 Sandwich Territories
HFC 1-1 Eura

Geez folks, what's with all the hissy fits today? Riots, mob justice, phantom red cards, obvious referee bias. So you had a bad game. There's no reason to go off blaming everything on the refs and intentionally injuring other players. Be classy and just say you weren't on your game.

-Does his best McGonagall impression, complete with frosty look over the glasses: "I am very disappointed in you both."

Edit: The statement above sounds a little harsh, and it's not quite meant to be, but the RP's do smack a little of "sour grapes". And before anyone says anything, yes, I did justify out scoreless draw away to Azrea with a red card. However, it was completely deserved (though an unintentional act) and we didn't make a big fuss about it ICly.

I know a lot has been said but blaming the referee is a big part of the game especially when the ref is bias or just hopeless. As for injuring other players well those of us who play do every now and then commit fouls that are bad we may not be wanting to seriously injury them but if they walk off with a limp all the better.

[Turori]

To United Eastedge:

Well what i saw earlier today when i was posting my RP I'd rate a 1.

Because what i saw earlier was an empty post with a header saying something like "More to come later"

I don't understand that, just post when you've written the RP, you don't need to post a blank post, then edit your RP in it later. All you're going to do that way is increase the odds you get no credit for that RP, as the host may not know you've gone back and added content to a previously submitted post.

[Blouman Empire]

To United Eastedge:

Well what i saw earlier today when i was posting my RP I'd rate a 1.

Because what i saw earlier was an empty post with a header saying something like "More to come later"

I don't understand that, just post when you've written the RP, you don't need to post a blank post, then edit your RP in it later. All you're going to do that way is increase the odds you get no credit for that RP, as the host may not know you've gone back and added content to a previously submitted post.

Those who have hosted may disagree but I seem to recall past hosts saying that if you haven't completed your RP let them know in the RP so they know to come back to read and grade accordingly. That might have only been those two hosts and our current ones may think differently as well

[Paradystopia]

Bears Armed 3–3 Paradystopia

-snip-

I have got there first but I've left gaps.

To steal all the RPing opportunities from such a scoreline would be distinctly un-chaplike ...

[Torisakia]

Torisakia 2-0 Nassau-Hessen

So it's official, NOT killing your own players does help.