The World Cup Discussion Thread (OOC, version III)

[The Inevitable Syndicate]

[The Archregimancy]

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Woah.

It's going to be followed up by an announcement from the Holy Synod of the Archregimancy outlining that the RP you link to is not part of official Archregimancy policy, and specifically denouncing the MFA for intolerance.

I'm trying to recreate the RL Esphigmenou controversy - whereby one of the monasteries on Mount Athos has withdrawn recognition of the Patriarch, and the Patriarch is trying to expel and replace the monks - in Archregimancy terms, and using the World Cup as the basis of the controversy. The RP adapts some of the anathemas of the Second Ecumenical Council for the purpose (ahistorically throwing in one of the anathemas of the Great Schism for good measure).

Summed up, don't read too much into that statement yet.

[Red Blackiland]

I don't will make a one single point in my group :S
but is the first time....

[Vilita]

Well,

I guess World Cup Qualifying wouldn't be official if the defending World Cup Champions and #2 KPB side weren't defeated by a debutant no-roster no-RP nation at *some* point.

I guess its good it came early, and hey, it even inspired the nation inflicting the mega-upset to show up, post a roster and even an RP in celebration. So I guess its only positive from here

Margaret

[Ko-oren]

If anyone's wondering: I'm on vacation for the next 1,5 weeks still, so no(t many) posts from me during this time. Should I still be in contention for the World Cup after that, I'll post some RPs after that.

[Polar Islandstates]

Well,

I guess World Cup Qualifying wouldn't be official if the defending World Cup Champions and #2 KPB side weren't defeated by a debutant no-roster no-RP nation at *some* point.

I guess its good it came early, and hey, it even inspired the nation inflicting the mega-upset to show up, post a roster and even an RP in celebration. So I guess its only positive from here

Margaret

Polar Islandstates 0-1 The Weegies.

Anyway, in light of this historic moment for the Valhallan Union - "The Fallenmark Islands 1–2 Polar Islandstates" - there is a chance I will be putting back my "big political web of lies and subterfuge" RPs to just stick to the quicker match reports thing. You may have noticed, but with a move coming up I am struggling for time at the moment. I promise I will RP though, group mates. Honest guv'nor.

[NSWC Signups]

On a somewhat related note, now that we have two different bids in for the Cup of Harmony, I am going to set a hard deadline for both any further CoH host bids, and presidential nominations. The voting will be held at the same time as each other.

Presidential nominations should be sent, as ever, to Cairnskillen. And bids to host the CoH should be made as a thread and linked to in this one.

The deadline for both of these will be MIDDAY (GMT) on WEDNESDAY 30th of JULY.

Ta bbz.

[Apox]

Just a reminder that as The Holy Empire is taking over scorination for Matchday 4, the next cut-off will be in approximately 20 hours time, not 7 as it would be if I was cutting off.

[Red Blackiland]

We'll see if i can win tonight

[Blouman Empire]

I don't will make a one single point in my group :S
but is the first time....

It being your first time is something you should remember, I am yet to face you so haven't done the research but I expect that you participated in the BoF so you do have some KBP already, just keep slogging away they will come. Remember that there is also a luck factor so chances are you will end up getting your first win against me knocking me out of qualification contention.

[Free Republics]

Still, we must not dwell on this disaster, probably the worst to strike our Great Federation since Charm Harbor. It was a fluke, plain and simple. That can be seen in the possession statistics produced by Sporting World. Our Republican National Team held the ball for nearly 70% of the match and took twice as many shots as the opposition.

Sixty-five minutes of the game SJG looked far superior as had been maintained throughout the game, even had a good opportunity to leave things doomed literally but was blocked, despite that twelve shots at the goal by SJG showed their strength in the attack, while six shots of FFR towards goal of Hernandez were not enough for the Republicans at least score down a goal, despite that FFR had 49% of Posession and SJG had the 51%, being a bit superior if we talk of posession but way effective with the goals of SJG.

[Nephara]

To be fair, that's the sort of minor detail that one can easily pass over in a scan of the writing. I'd attribute it to an error more than malice... and personally be more inclined to sort through it via a quiet TG, rather than out in the open.

I've seen worse, anyway. I had a striker credited for like four goals over the course of three matches once... while he was clearly stated to be injured.

[Free Republics]

To be fair, that's the sort of minor detail that one can easily pass over in a scan of the writing. I'd attribute it to an error more than malice... and personally be more inclined to sort through it via a quiet TG, rather than out in the open.

I've seen worse, anyway. I had a striker credited for like four goals over the course of three matches once... while he was clearly stated to be injured.

Except, well:

With the government of San Jose Guayabal threatening to arrest him, many would not have expected Rule Theriault to travel with the team. However, they would be mistaken. Theriault traveled with the team, with even more security than usual. Rather than stay in San Jose Guayabal, they decided to reside on a Navy aircraft carrier that was stationed in international waters to the south of San Jose Guayabal and their neighbors Gregoryisgodistan. Given the hostile relations between the Free Republics and both of those nations, it was no surprise that they maintained a sizable military contingent in the area, ready to strike at a moment's notice, in addition to all of the troops stationed in Taiyou, which wasn't particularly far north of this God-forsaken section of Esportiva.

Meanwhile on the side of FFR, Massimiliano Abdullahi said a quick video with Rule Theriault coach FFR could not get to our nation because of the entry ban had requested the Government of SJG against this character characterized by talk "junk" in that conversation Theriault asked his team not to be defeated by circumstances and asked them to trace the score in his favor and maintain intact 14-0-0 illusions that want to finally Theriault of the playoffs, those expectations hanging by a thin thread and Rule Theriault not wished to lose those expectations.

[Maklohi Vai]

I'm of New Sideburn/Nephara's mind as well on this. I think this is something you should try to sort out through TG first, and then only bring it to public judgement if SJG didn't comply with your request. At that point I think it would be justified for three minor errors like these. If there were a few major errors, then maybe you go straight here.

[Felix]

Also can I say one thing?

Is it realistic for SJG to have only 30% possession in the match even though they are what, 2nd seeded? I think you did the 70% possession stat for you out of spite. Now what SJG did wasn't exactly right either so how about you two negotiate the new possession stat? You could still say it was a fluke if you had say 55% rather than 70%.

Edit: SJG is 35th and you're 8th. While there is a bit of a ranking gap it is still plausible that SJG could have more than 30% possession.

[Osarius]

Is it realistic for SJG to have only 30% possession in the match even though they are what, 2nd seeded?

In a word, yes.
Check the match stats between Chelsea and Liverpool last season.

As an aside, the match stats can easily vary wildly between media outlets, so I would argue that's not really a problem anyway. I've seen games where official club websites have reported near 50-50 possession, but match of the day has said something closer to 65-35. It happens (presumably due to differences in whether the ball counts as being in possession of a team when out of play), so if someone's stats don't match mine in football, I'm not really too fussed tbh. Even if they report the wrong scorers, I just attribute it to mistaken identity, or whatever.

That all said, I'm pretty sure a quick TG to SJG would sort this. He seems like a reasonable guy to me *shrug*

[Felix]

Is it realistic for SJG to have only 30% possession in the match even though they are what, 2nd seeded?

In a word, yes.
Check the match stats between Chelsea and Liverpool last season.

As an aside, the match stats can easily vary wildly between media outlets, so I would argue that's not really a problem anyway. I've seen games where official club websites have reported near 50-50 possession, but match of the day has said something closer to 65-35. It happens (presumably due to differences in whether the ball counts as being in possession of a team when out of play), so if someone's stats don't match mine in football, I'm not really too fussed tbh. Even if they report the wrong scorers, I just attribute it to mistaken identity, or whatever.

That all said, I'm pretty sure a quick TG to SJG would sort this. He seems like a reasonable guy to me *shrug*

Huh forgot about that, good point Osarius.

But I guess FFR can send a TG it shouldn't be that bad.

[Farfadillis]

Is it realistic for SJG to have only 30% possession in the match even though they are what, 2nd seeded?

In a word, yes.
Check the match stats between Chelsea and Liverpool last season.

You have just cited Chelsea for something involving possession. SJG's team isn't Chelsea-like defensive.

Anyway, bringing this up here is plain poor taste. It's nothing an exchange of TGs can't solve.

[Osarius]

You have just cited Chelsea for something involving possession. SJG's team isn't Chelsea-like defensive.

I could have used Real Madrid instead. The point still stands. *shrug*

[San Jose Guayabal]

Still, we must not dwell on this disaster, probably the worst to strike our Great Federation since Charm Harbor. It was a fluke, plain and simple. That can be seen in the possession statistics produced by Sporting World. Our Republican National Team held the ball for nearly 70% of the match and took twice as many shots as the opposition.

Sixty-five minutes of the game SJG looked far superior as had been maintained throughout the game, even had a good opportunity to leave things doomed literally but was blocked, despite that twelve shots at the goal by SJG showed their strength in the attack, while six shots of FFR towards goal of Hernandez were not enough for the Republicans at least score down a goal, despite that FFR had 49% of Posession and SJG had the 51%, being a bit superior if we talk of posession but way effective with the goals of SJG.

Considering my team attributes, my version is most realistic than yours to be honest, considering that my team is offensive (+2.35) not a defensive one.

And consider that you didn't send me a TG before your RP, so stop complaining because you have a function called "TG's" and it's your problem if you didn't send that.

Also I want to make public that I dislike your style of calling my team a "minnow" so please stop with that now.

EDIT: You're in time to send that TG, I can fix it because I don't have problems to do that.

[Nova Anglicana]

Considering my team attributes, my version is most realistic than yours to be honest, considering that my team is offensive (+2.35) not a defensive one.

And consider that you didn't send me a TG before your RP, so stop complaining because you have a function called "TG's" and it's your problem if you didn't send that.

Also I want to make public that I dislike your style of calling my team a "minnow" so please stop with that now.

EDIT: You're in time to send that TG, I can fix it because I don't have problems to do that.

FFR's post was in poor taste, but it's also in poor taste to complain about it. Send him a TG, since you can use that function as well. As for "realistic", 70% is probably less realistic, but as others have pointed out, not impossible. It's also quite possible, as others have said, that the possession percentage was calculated differently by different observers, so the two accounts don't necessarily contradict each other. The "minnow" comment is purely IC, I'm sure. Rule Theriault has a history of being openly contemptuous of other nations.

[San Jose Guayabal]

Considering my team attributes, my version is most realistic than yours to be honest, considering that my team is offensive (+2.35) not a defensive one.

And consider that you didn't send me a TG before your RP, so stop complaining because you have a function called "TG's" and it's your problem if you didn't send that.

Also I want to make public that I dislike your style of calling my team a "minnow" so please stop with that now.

EDIT: You're in time to send that TG, I can fix it because I don't have problems to do that.

FFR's post was in poor taste, but it's also in poor taste to complain about it. Send him a TG, since you can use that function as well. As for "realistic", 70% is probably less realistic, but as others have pointed out, not impossible. It's also quite possible, as others have said, that the possession percentage was calculated differently by different observers, so the two accounts don't necessarily contradict each other. The "minnow" comment is purely IC, I'm sure. Rule Theriault has a history of being openly contemptuous of other nations.

Update: I sent a TG to FFR, now it's his decision if he replies and we agree or he ignores and wouldn't have the will to fix this, I set some conditions that can be read in the following statements.

"Why you didn't send any TG to do some negociation? I'm open to reality but no to such far-from-reality things (That's like a defensive team vs a tiki-taka one and considering that both teams are offensive mind ones and are teams that wouldn't show mercy against each other) so I'll set my conditions.

First: You can have 55% or 60% as much of posession, considering that both teams are offensive-mind ones.

Second: Rule Theriault didn't enter to continental territory of SJG, that's the way I RP'd that issue.

Third: Don't call my team and nation or whatever related to my nation as "minnow" If you do that I'll cease hostility against you and we can solve that matter (ICly). Cheers."

Again, I'm open to fix this issue but he doesn't show will to do that, I can't do such plans.

[Farfadillis]

You have just cited Chelsea for something involving possession. SJG's team isn't Chelsea-like defensive.

I could have used Real Madrid instead. The point still stands. *shrug*

That's a much better picture, thank you.

Anyway, I still think 70% feels a bit godmoddy. But it's pretty insulting to your own team if you RP it losing with that much possession. It basically means your team lacks pace, power and verticality, as well as efficiency when facing the goal. Or, worse yet, efficiency as a whole. Not to mention your defense probably sucks unless the other team is very good at making the most out of their chances.

"Why you didn't send any TG to do some negociation? I'm open to reality but no to such far-from-reality things (That's like a defensive team vs a tiki-taka one and considering that both teams are offensive mind ones and are teams that wouldn't show mercy against each other) so I'll set my conditions.

First: You can have 55% or 60% as much of posession, considering that both teams are offensive-mind ones.

Second: Rule Theriault didn't enter to continental territory of SJG, that's the way I RP'd that issue.

Third: Don't call my team and nation or whatever related to my nation as "minnow" If you do that I'll cease hostility against you and we can solve that matter (ICly). Cheers."

The whole idea of the TG system is to keep it from becoming a scandal. If you're gonna share it in this thread, it's basically the same thing.

Also, the third condition is not really something you should care about that much. I mean, Theriault is a dick after all.

[Free Republics]

Update: I sent a TG to FFR, now it's his decision if he replies and we agree or he ignores and wouldn't have the will to fix this, I set some conditions that can be read in the following statements.

"Why you didn't send any TG to do some negociation? I'm open to reality but no to such far-from-reality things (That's like a defensive team vs a tiki-taka one and considering that both teams are offensive mind ones and are teams that wouldn't show mercy against each other) so I'll set my conditions.

First: You can have 55% or 60% as much of posession, considering that both teams are offensive-mind ones.

Second: Rule Theriault didn't enter to continental territory of SJG, that's the way I RP'd that issue.

Third: Don't call my team and nation or whatever related to my nation as "minnow" If you do that I'll cease hostility against you and we can solve that matter (ICly). Cheers."

Since you posted this publicly, I'll respond publicly. I agree that Theriault was exaggerating a little about the possession and that it was probably more like "nearly 60%" than nearly 70. I'll also agree to the third point and won't use the phrase "minnow" in combination with anything related to your nation again (Theriault will probably use "commie" instead from now on).

Regarding the second, any attempt to bar Theriault (or anybody else from my team) from entering a nation for an away match will be met with some combination of a shootout involving the heavily armed security force and/or a military invasion. The idea is that the team is so heavily armed and protected by such a powerful military force that it is next-to-impossible for almost anybody to keep any member of the Republican National Team out of the country. The exceptions, of course, being the nations that have comparable IC military strength to the Free Republics and nations that it would be absolutely impossible to invade in the first place. Its simply not plausible that Theriault would repeatedly allow himself or his team to be intimidated or actions taken against his team that he considers absolutely unjustified when he has the money to hire a huge security force and the connections to have the Republican military fight his battles for him. Besides, that takes away his ability to blame defeats on unfair acts committed against his team.

Normally, I wouldn't have said anything at all and would have just pretended that the RP never existed. When I woke up this morning, I didn't even remember that I had posted about it until I saw the posts. I have no idea why I was even still awake in the middle of the night, since I'm usually sleeping at that time.

[Eura]

Update: I sent a TG to FFR, now it's his decision if he replies and we agree or he ignores and wouldn't have the will to fix this, I set some conditions that can be read in the following statements.

Since you posted this publicly, I'll respond publicly. I agree that Theriault was exaggerating a little about the possession and that it was probably more like "nearly 60%" than nearly 70. I'll also agree to the third point and won't use the phrase "minnow" in combination with anything related to your nation again (Theriault will probably use "commie" instead from now on).

Regarding the second, any attempt to bar Theriault (or anybody else from my team) from entering a nation for an away match will be met with some combination of a shootout involving the heavily armed security force and/or a military invasion. The idea is that the team is so heavily armed and protected by such a powerful military force that it is next-to-impossible for almost anybody to keep any member of the Republican National Team out of the country. The exceptions, of course, being the nations that have comparable IC military strength to the Free Republics and nations that it would be absolutely impossible to invade in the first place. Its simply not plausible that Theriault would repeatedly allow himself or his team to be intimidated or actions taken against his team that he considers absolutely unjustified when he has the money to hire a huge security force and the connections to have the Republican military fight his battles for him. Besides, that takes away his ability to blame defeats on unfair acts committed against his team.

Normally, I wouldn't have said anything at all and would have just pretended that the RP never existed. When I woke up this morning, I didn't even remember that I had posted about it until I saw the posts. I have no idea why I was even still awake in the middle of the night, since I'm usually sleeping at that time.

I get the in character thing with Theriault and all and personally I think this whole issue is completely overblown, but you can't really godmod him into every country you play if they don't want him there. Unless you want to RP out that whole invasion line first, and let's be honest, you're not going to want to do that for every person you play who fancies banning Theriault from the country.

Aside from however implausible either of your match RP's were, which I don't think either was, its completely implausible to expect people to simply bend over to that expectation - and its even more IC'ly unrealistic that the Free Republics would seriously commit massive military resources over that, especially if more than one country told him to piss off. If you played Eura and Eura decided they didn't want him entering for example, a declaration of war or whatever would be met either with A. Laughter or B. A decisive and massive retaliation. I know the muiltiverse is utterly silly (Bears, ponies and Red Dwarf characters playing international football) but come on.

EDIT - Forgot to say; just sort it out over tg, for fuck sake. It's obvious that FFR's RP's are somewhat tongue in cheek (though I do wonder if you overstep at times) and on the other end all SJG has to do is clarify that his possession stats are a different interpretation made by an IC character. Read my RP of Sameba "winning" 1-1 against Polar Islandstates a cycle or two ago - my RP described the game as Sameba being valiant heroes and the Polarians being useless yet half of it is clearly the writer talking out of his arse. He accuses the other side of cheating with conspiracies and whatever like three times.