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Postby Slembana » Tue Aug 14, 2012 7:57 am

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Yeah, but I'm right in assuming that the next World Cup will be in September, and then November, and than January, March, May, July, etc.?

Also, mate, hats off. You're the defending champion!


Seeing as the current World Cup doesn't finish until September 10th It iis more than likely that the next won't start until late November. We need some breathing space inbetween for tournaments such as Di Bradini, the regionals, Cuppet, etc


OK. But didn't WC LX (60) start in May? This is confusing me. Anyway, can I enter players from my top-level squad into the Di Bradini? My calendar would make it about 2014 when these comps would take place. I'd prefer to keep my best players who are eligible for the Di Bradini in my senior squad, like Val Kylx and Jyvx Dagens.
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Postby Legalese » Tue Aug 14, 2012 7:57 am

The Icemark wrote:
Slembana wrote:
Yeah, but I'm right in assuming that the next World Cup will be in September, and then November, and than January, March, May, July, etc.?

Also, mate, hats off. You're the defending champion!


Seeing as the current World Cup doesn't finish until September 10th It iis more than likely that the next won't start until late November. We need some breathing space inbetween for tournaments such as Di Bradini, the regionals, Cuppet, etc


Mid-to-late October for the next qualifying to start, more like - about a week off after the final, then the BoF (with other non-associated tournaments like the DBC, the AOCAF, etc.) That said, I would anticipate that 62 will be the last WC cycle of this RL Gregorian Calendar Year.

The key point, Slembana, is that the schedule is consistent in order, but not in length. Essentially, new WCs happen when the preceding one ends. The length of a cycle depends largely on the length of qualifying, with some adjustment for generally-celebrated holiday seasons, etc.
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Postby Slembana » Tue Aug 14, 2012 7:59 am

Legalese wrote:
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Seeing as the current World Cup doesn't finish until September 10th It iis more than likely that the next won't start until late November. We need some breathing space inbetween for tournaments such as Di Bradini, the regionals, Cuppet, etc


Mid-to-late October for the next qualifying to start, more like - about a week off after the final, then the BoF (with other non-associated tournaments like the DBC, the AOCAF, etc.) That said, I would anticipate that 62 will be the last WC cycle of this RL Gregorian Calendar Year.


Yes. If the world ends, then WC 62 would be the last-ever! But I hope it's not gonna end. It's freaking me out a lot.
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Postby Alasdair I Frosticus » Tue Aug 14, 2012 8:04 am

Slembana wrote:
Legalese wrote:
Mid-to-late October for the next qualifying to start, more like - about a week off after the final, then the BoF (with other non-associated tournaments like the DBC, the AOCAF, etc.) That said, I would anticipate that 62 will be the last WC cycle of this RL Gregorian Calendar Year.


Yes. If the world ends, then WC 62 would be the last-ever! But I hope it's not gonna end. It's freaking me out a lot.


I can assure you in my professional capacity that the world will not be ending in December, and that World Cup 62 is unlikely to be the last ever:

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Postby Slembana » Tue Aug 14, 2012 8:05 am

I'll take the current World Cup for you to get the right idea about what I mean with my systems.

July - Nations signed up, BoF took place.
Aug - Qualifying occurs.
Aug-Sep - The whole shebang will take place in Valanora and ASMV.
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Postby Slembana » Tue Aug 14, 2012 8:07 am

Alasdair I Frosticus wrote:
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Yes. If the world ends, then WC 62 would be the last-ever! But I hope it's not gonna end. It's freaking me out a lot.


I can assure you in my professional capacity that the world will not be ending in December, and that World Cup 62 is unlikely to be the last ever:

viewtopic.php?p=793007#p793007


That's reassuring.
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Postby New Montreal States » Tue Aug 14, 2012 8:35 am

The Icemark wrote:
Slembana wrote:
Yeah, but I'm right in assuming that the next World Cup will be in September, and then November, and than January, March, May, July, etc.?

Also, mate, hats off. You're the defending champion!


Seeing as the current World Cup doesn't finish until September 10th It iis more than likely that the next won't start until late November. We need some breathing space inbetween for tournaments such as Di Bradini, the regionals, Cuppet, etc


Surely you mean late October? It won't take two months to handle all the minor stuff in...
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Postby Starblaydia » Tue Aug 14, 2012 8:55 am

Slembana wrote:Anyway, can I enter players from my top-level squad into the Di Bradini? My calendar would make it about 2014 when these comps would take place. I'd prefer to keep my best players who are eligible for the Di Bradini in my senior squad, like Val Kylx and Jyvx Dagens.

The Di Bradini Cup is the Under-21 World Cup, and as long as they're 21 or under (funny that, considering the name)then they can be in the squad. The DBC is designed to be in between World Cups, so there's no possibility of an IC conflict.

There can be OOC timing conflicts with, for instance, the BoF or occasionally a regional tournament, but that's why we have fluid time (also to explain why time is different in everyone's nation).
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Postby Slembana » Tue Aug 14, 2012 8:59 am

Starblaydia wrote:
Slembana wrote:Anyway, can I enter players from my top-level squad into the Di Bradini? My calendar would make it about 2014 when these comps would take place. I'd prefer to keep my best players who are eligible for the Di Bradini in my senior squad, like Val Kylx and Jyvx Dagens.

The Di Bradini Cup is the Under-21 World Cup, and as long as they're 21 or under (funny that, considering the name)then they can be in the squad. The DBC is designed to be in between World Cups, so there's no possibility of an IC conflict.

There can be OOC timing conflicts with, for instance, the BoF or occasionally a regional tournament, but that's why we have fluid time (also to explain why time is different in everyone's nation).

OK, so yeah, in my time, the DBC will be in June-July 2013, and the regional cup in 2014. I can't enter the BoF, because I'm not new.

Anyway, are we back on good terms with each other after last weeks argument? Your articles on NSWiki are really good, mate!
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Postby Daehanjeiguk » Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:16 am

Slembana wrote:OK. But didn't WC LX (60) start in May? This is confusing me...


Once again, your confusion is tied to tying RL time with NS time. In my day, the World Cup cycle from start to finish took 2 months. I'm pretty sure that maxim no longer holds, and unless you're tabulinating the RL history of the NSWC, it's probably folly to tie RL time to explain time in the World Cup.

Incidentally, the World Cup itself generally lasts for two weeks (7 days for the 3 group stage matches, 7 days for last 4 rounds). That's one thing that (probably) will never change.
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Postby Slembana » Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:21 am

Daehanjeiguk wrote:
Slembana wrote:OK. But didn't WC LX (60) start in May? This is confusing me...


Once again, your confusion is tied to tying RL time with NS time. In my day, the World Cup cycle from start to finish took 2 months. I'm pretty sure that maxim no longer holds, and unless you're tabulinating the RL history of the NSWC, it's probably folly to tie RL time to explain time in the World Cup.

Incidentally, the World Cup itself generally lasts for two weeks (7 days for the 3 group stage matches, 7 days for last 4 rounds). That's one thing that (probably) will never change.


So, the actually WC was in July?
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Postby Legalese » Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:30 am

Slembana wrote:
Daehanjeiguk wrote:
Once again, your confusion is tied to tying RL time with NS time. In my day, the World Cup cycle from start to finish took 2 months. I'm pretty sure that maxim no longer holds, and unless you're tabulinating the RL history of the NSWC, it's probably folly to tie RL time to explain time in the World Cup.

Incidentally, the World Cup itself generally lasts for two weeks (7 days for the 3 group stage matches, 7 days for last 4 rounds). That's one thing that (probably) will never change.


So, the actually WC was in July?


:palm:

EDIT: I need to put something of value in this post, so I'll just say some things that may be a bit repetitive, apologies for this.

Slem, what we're trying to say is that:

In a RL time sense, the WC has not run on a consistent and predictable time cycle. The next one starts when the previous one ends, and the length of time one takes depends on a number of things, usually the time period of qualifying (as the cup finals take two weeks for seven matchdays).

In the NS sense, the length of time between World Cups is up to each individual nation. Many consider them to happen every four years, others go with two or three. Some don't measure at all, or just insist that the RL date is their NS date, in which case there is no consistent length between cups.

Does that help you answer whatever it is you're trying to answer?
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Postby Slembana » Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:41 am

Legalese wrote:
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So, the actually WC was in July?


:palm:

EDIT: I need to put something of value in this post, so I'll just say some things that may be a bit repetitive, apologies for this.

Slem, what we're trying to say is that:

In a RL time sense, the WC has not run on a consistent and predictable time cycle. The next one starts when the previous one ends, and the length of time one takes depends on a number of things, usually the time period of qualifying (as the cup finals take two weeks for seven matchdays).

In the NS sense, the length of time between World Cups is up to each individual nation. Many consider them to happen every four years, others go with two or three. Some don't measure at all, or just insist that the RL date is their NS date, in which case there is no consistent length between cups.

Does that help you answer whatever it is you're trying to answer?


Yeah, I guess. But in RL time, WC 60 was in July 2012?
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Postby Liventia » Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:44 am

If I may, I think the question is why does it matter?

And, more importantly, if finding out is really so important to you, the search tool is your friend. It would certainly have saved us the last page and a half.
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Postby Equestrian States » Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:53 am

Slembana wrote:
Legalese wrote:
:palm:

EDIT: I need to put something of value in this post, so I'll just say some things that may be a bit repetitive, apologies for this.

Slem, what we're trying to say is that:

In a RL time sense, the WC has not run on a consistent and predictable time cycle. The next one starts when the previous one ends, and the length of time one takes depends on a number of things, usually the time period of qualifying (as the cup finals take two weeks for seven matchdays).

In the NS sense, the length of time between World Cups is up to each individual nation. Many consider them to happen every four years, others go with two or three. Some don't measure at all, or just insist that the RL date is their NS date, in which case there is no consistent length between cups.

Does that help you answer whatever it is you're trying to answer?


Yeah, I guess. But in RL time, WC 60 was in July 2012?

World Cup 60 started in early June and lasted until the first week of July.

There is your answer. The WC has no RL schedule and it never has.
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Postby Slembana » Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:55 am

Equestrian States wrote:
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Yeah, I guess. But in RL time, WC 60 was in July 2012?

World Cup 60 started in early June and lasted until the first week of July.

There is your answer. The WC has no RL schedule and it never has.


OK then.
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Postby Boring Paradise » Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:11 am

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Equestrian States wrote:World Cup 60 started in early June and lasted until the first week of July.

There is your answer. The WC has no RL schedule and it never has.


OK then.


Please can this the end of this dicussion. 8)
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Postby Liventia » Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:15 am

Moving on, I note that to date we've got only one active CoH bid, which is from Turori. When do you intend to start host voting Zwang?
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Postby Starblaydia » Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:19 am

Liventia wrote:Moving on, I note that to date we've got only one active CoH bid, which is from Turori.

We're back to the 'Vilita bids for everything' point in the cycle of the World Cup? Ah well, at least that means Starblaydi domination is not far off.
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Postby Legalese » Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:39 am

Starblaydia wrote:
Liventia wrote:Moving on, I note that to date we've got only one active CoH bid, which is from Turori.

We're back to the 'Vilita bids for everything' point in the cycle of the World Cup? Ah well, at least that means Starblaydi domination is not far off.


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Because I think some of you will find this interesting...

If you go here, you can simulate a game between any two FIFA members for free (and there's some other functionality that you can pay for if you really want it).

You do have to register and the layout's bloody awful, but there you go. It's a RLStates scorinator.
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Postby Aguazul » Tue Aug 14, 2012 8:55 pm

This being the middle of qualifiers as planned, I'll give a day or so for any more bids to come in and probably have a vote in the Thursday-Monday range.

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Postby Krytenia » Wed Aug 15, 2012 2:11 am

Kinitaria wrote:Because I think some of you will find this interesting...

If you go here, you can simulate a game between any two FIFA members for free (and there's some other functionality that you can pay for if you really want it).

You do have to register and the layout's bloody awful, but there you go. It's a RLStates scorinator.

So the game within a game within a game has a scorinator now?

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Postby Daehanjeiguk » Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:27 am

Krytenia wrote:
Kinitaria wrote:Because I think some of you will find this interesting...

If you go here, you can simulate a game between any two FIFA members for free (and there's some other functionality that you can pay for if you really want it).

You do have to register and the layout's bloody awful, but there you go. It's a RLStates scorinator.

So the game within a game within a game has a scorinator now?

*splortch*

Apologies. My head appears to have asploded.


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Krytenia wrote:
Kinitaria wrote:Because I think some of you will find this interesting...

If you go here, you can simulate a game between any two FIFA members for free (and there's some other functionality that you can pay for if you really want it).

You do have to register and the layout's bloody awful, but there you go. It's a RLStates scorinator.

So the game within a game within a game has a scorinator now?

*splortch*

Apologies. My head appears to have asploded.


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