The World Cup Discussion Thread (OOC, version II)

[Errinundera]

No, because the duties and responsibilities that got with hosting the BoF and CoH are tiny in comparison to having to deal with even one half of the World Cup Qualifiers & Finals. Co-hosting one of those shouldn't grant you WCC membership for life.

But it's considerably more work than posting rosters in two consecutive World Cups.

[Milchama]

Yes more than two roster posts but the amount of work in the CoH/BoF are much easier than the WC proper.

Hosting a CoH/BoF is functionally the same as hosting just the finals of the WC, not including qualifying. Considering that qualifying takes significantly longer and involves significantly more nations than either the CoH or BoF it would be bad for those who host events that are not as strenuous as the WC itself to get permanent membership. Moreover, since both of the "minor" cups are considered stepping stones to hosting a real WC it would be bad to give them the same privileges as WC hosts get.

Something that we could do is give something like a 2 cup exemption, the number is negotiable, for those who host BoF/CoH regardless of whether or not they post rosters. If people want to vote for that as an amendment I'd be fine with it, but to give them full EWCC membership is bad because the CoH/BoF are not as strenuous or as hard to host.

[Qazox]

Yes more than two roster posts but the amount of work in the CoH/BoF are much easier than the WC proper.

Hosting a CoH/BoF is functionally the same as hosting just the finals of the WC, not including qualifying. Considering that qualifying takes significantly longer and involves significantly more nations than either the CoH or BoF it would be bad for those who host events that are not as strenuous as the WC itself to get permanent membership. Moreover, since both of the "minor" cups are considered stepping stones to hosting a real WC it would be bad to give them the same privileges as WC hosts get.

Something that we could do is give something like a 2 cup exemption, the number is negotiable, for those who host BoF/CoH regardless of whether or not they post rosters. If people want to vote for that as an amendment I'd be fine with it, but to give them full EWCC membership is bad because the CoH/BoF are not as strenuous or as hard to host.

That's why i suggested the temporary EWCC vote.

Looking at Milchama's point, I'd adjust my previous suggestion a bit:

Allow the previous CoH host(s) a vote on the next CoH host(s); and the previous BoF host(s) a vote on the next BoF host(s). After hosting either of those events, you could make the arguement that the nation(s) that did host should at worst know a good CoH/BoF bid if they saw one.

I do have a quetion though.. if the WORLD CUP is such a big event, then why to we allow a larger number of nations to vote for host than for either the CoH or BoF? (Besides the World Cup Constitution). If anything it should the opposite, though that would create entirely a different can of worms.

[Starblaydia]

if the WORLD CUP is such a big event, then why to we allow a larger number of nations to vote for host than for either the CoH or BoF? (Besides the World Cup Constitution).

Here's a hint, it begins with 'O' and ends in 'ld Boys Club'.

It used to be that only former WC hosts got to vote on it, but around the time of when I made it onto the old, former-hosts-only WCC, we changed the rules to what we have presently, so as to remove the accusations of 'well, you guys just vote for one of your friends in #sport'. The World Cup hosts affect everybody, so everybody gets a vote.

The BoF (in particular) and CoH have more concentrated importance, so the EWCC retains the sole rights to vote on those, as we work under the principle that people who have hosted a full World Cup should know the best way of bringing and keeping newbies to the World Cup.


EDIT: Can I also mention how awesome it is that 27/32 nations have posted a roster in the 18th Di Bradini Cup? Ok, that's awesome. I would make it 28, too, if it wasn't my deadline this week.

[Delaclava]

EDIT: Can I also mention how awesome it is that 27/32 nations have posted a roster in the 18th Di Bradini Cup? Ok, that's awesome. I would make it 28, too, if it wasn't my deadline this week.

If this was an attempt to guilt-trip me into posting mine, you may have succeeded.

[The Archregimancy]

All,

Computer in the shop for repairs since Fri; keeps overheating, and fan needs replacing. May not be on-line/available until Thurs. Any Sport-related moderation will have to be taken care of by the rest of the team until I'm on-line again. Apologies.

[Starblaydia]

If this was an attempt to guilt-trip me into posting mine, you may have succeeded.

It was a self-guilt trip, tbh. Now there are only 4 nations who haven't posted a roster, which is a pretty bloody good statistic. It just means I now make up 25% of the Under-21 apathy/too busy group

[Mangolana]

Alright, so after the comments I have recieved, I would like you to consider this instead.

Addition to World Cup Constitution

1.2 The Executive World Cup Committee

1.2.1 Entry
i. Users of nations which have hosted a World Cup to its completion are admitted permanently to the EWCC. However, that user may only exercise their privileges as an EWCC member as long as one of their nations has participated in the most recent World Cup.

ii. Users of nations who have hosted Baptism of Fire or Cup of Harmony during a World Cup cycle, will recieve a EWCC vote during the World Cup cycle that follows the one hosted by said nation. (EX: Baptism of Fire/Cup of Harmony host for World Cup 56 cycle, will recieve a EWCC vote for the World Cup 57 cycle.)

If you can word this any better, please do so, I know that it is kind of Confusing, which is why I added the Example.

[The Babbage Islands]

Alright, so after the comments I have recieved, I would like you to consider this instead.

Addition to World Cup Constitution

1.2 The Executive World Cup Committee

1.2.1 Entry
i. Users of nations which have hosted a World Cup to its completion are admitted permanently to the EWCC. However, that user may only exercise their privileges as an EWCC member as long as one of their nations has participated in the most recent World Cup.

ii. Users of nations who have hosted Baptism of Fire or Cup of Harmony during a World Cup cycle, will recieve a EWCC vote during the World Cup cycle that follows the one hosted by said nation. (EX: Baptism of Fire/Cup of Harmony host for World Cup 56 cycle, will recieve a EWCC vote for the World Cup 57 cycle.)

If you can word this any better, please do so, I know that it is kind of Confusing, which is why I added the Example.

This is impractical for one mechanical reason: the cycles don't synchronise well. It is quite possible, for instance, for BoF voting to begin before the previous cycle's CoH is done. And a BoF host would actually exercise their one vote for the CoH not for the next Cup of Harmony, but for the one after that which could be several months later.

I am opposed on the merits as well, as I do not favour any change to the EWCC or its limited portfolio. It ain't broke, don't fix it. But the proposal has a great potential for confusion (and it's not your wording, Mangolana).

[Qazox]

Alright, so after the comments I have recieved, I would like you to consider this instead.

Addition to World Cup Constitution

1.2 The Executive World Cup Committee

1.2.1 Entry
i. Users of nations which have hosted a World Cup to its completion are admitted permanently to the EWCC. However, that user may only exercise their privileges as an EWCC member as long as one of their nations has participated in the most recent World Cup.

ii. Users of nations who have hosted Baptism of Fire or Cup of Harmony during a World Cup cycle, will recieve a EWCC vote during the World Cup cycle that follows the one hosted by said nation. (EX: Baptism of Fire/Cup of Harmony host for World Cup 56 cycle, will recieve a EWCC vote for the World Cup 57 cycle.)

If you can word this any better, please do so, I know that it is kind of Confusing, which is why I added the Example.

This is impractical for one mechanical reason: the cycles don't synchronise well. It is quite possible, for instance, for BoF voting to begin before the previous cycle's CoH is done. And a BoF host would actually exercise their one vote for the CoH not for the next Cup of Harmony, but for the one after that which could be several months later.

I am opposed on the merits as well, as I do not favour any change to the EWCC or its limited portfolio. It ain't broke, don't fix it. But the proposal has a great potential for confusion (and it's not your wording, Mangolana).

That's why i offered up a suggestion that, in addtion to the EWCC members, that the BoF host(s) get to vote for ONLY the next BoF host(s); and the CoH host(s) get to vote ONLY for the next CoH host(s). Adding 1 or 2 nations to a voting bloc is no that huge of a change, and it retains the spirit of the EWCC while also allowing it to be open to more teams. And those 1 or 2 new teams are only there for a BoF or CoH vote.

[Camerania]

When will the sign ups be updated next?

[Qazox]

When will the sign ups be updated next?

Usually it's every couple of days.

[Starblaydia]

That's why i offered up a suggestion that...

...makes Mangolana's proposal even more complicated. Plus, the 'spirit' of the EWCC is not temporary membership. No breaky, no fixy.

[Newmanistan]

I absolutely agree with Starblaydia. In no way does hosting a Cup of Harmony warrant an EWCC vote. I've hosted three Cups of Harmony and a World Cup. The Cups of Harmony took no where near the effort as the World Cup, and quite honestly, the Cup of Harmony, once you get the invites squared away, may be one of the most painless things I have hosted.

[Valanora]

So, Saturday night, some hooligan thought it would be cool to break into the house and steal the computers. So, until they are caught and the computers are returned or replaced (which might take a day to a month) my activity is shot to bits. *sighs*

[Starblaydia]

Hope they get the bastards, ESF.

Though I have just posted the worst roster ever in the DBC thread, scorination will not come until around just before midnight UK time. Tables... perhaps a bit later than that.

[Kagdazka and Pazhujebu]

So... whatever happened in those WCC constitutional amendment votes? Any sign of the presidente?

[Civil Citizenry]

Congratulations to PAP on a successful championship! Great job to Newmanistan as well.

Thank you to Sarzonia and Saugeais for hosting a smooth Cup of Harmony.

[Qazox]

Congratulations to Pretty Awesome Persons on their CoH title.

[Newmanistan]

Congrats to PAP and in denying us our 4th Cup of Harmony Championship. It will mean more to you then it would have had for me though I can be greedy.

Very smoothly run tournament.

[Swartaz]

Congrats PAP.

[The Babbage Islands]

Now the world knows what the Bumblebees already figured out by dropping two 1-0 matches to them in WC qualifying -- Pretty Awesome Persons are just that. Congratulations on the Cup of Harmony triumph.

[Cafundeu]

So... whatever happened in those WCC constitutional amendment votes? Any sign of the presidente?

I am here. As for the voting, well... I was going to post the results now, but I've left the text file where I was counting the votes at my home computer, and I am still using my university computer until July when I'll have internet back home. But I'll surely post the results later tonight, though not sure how much time later. If I remember correctly, one proposal is going to be defeated and other two will pass.

[Virabia]

Gratz PAP... also thanks to the hosts.... Great CoH!

[Kagdazka and Pazhujebu]

So... whatever happened in those WCC constitutional amendment votes? Any sign of the presidente?

I am here. As for the voting, well... I was going to post the results now, but I've left the text file where I was counting the votes at my home computer, and I am still using my university computer until July when I'll have internet back home. But I'll surely post the results later tonight, though not sure how much time later. If I remember correctly, one proposal is going to be defeated and other two will pass.

Very cool, thanks, Cafundéu.

I'd also like to extend my congratulations to Pretty Awesome Persons. It's been awesome to see Prosha Tsilevich transformed from a goalkeeping-coach-turned-unsuccessful-club-manager into a charismatic CoH-winning tactician.