The World Cup Discussion Thread (OOC, version II)

[Pretty Awesome Persons]

That feel when I still haven't allowed a single goal or lost a game yet.
Feels good man.

[Civil Citizenry]

That feel when I still haven't allowed a single goal or lost a game yet.
Feels good man.

Expect that to change on Sunday, bro!

[Pretty Awesome Persons]

That feel when I still haven't allowed a single goal or lost a game yet.
Feels good man.

Expect that to change on Sunday, bro!

We'll see how your team can handle my striker trio and Super Alvarez in goal.

[Milchama]

Something else that this less teams thing can hurt is long time RPers who are away for the wrong time.

An example (yes it's personal but I do think illustrative):

I was away for a week at a summer camp conference (with no internet access) and a debate tournament (where I'm too busy to go on NS), during the week when WC signups started and I came back on to see that I might not be able to sign up for the cup. Considering I've been an active or semi-active participant for 6 years already (damn that seems depressing to think about) it would seem to be against the interests of the WC to exclude people of my ilk from the WC based upon when we sign up. I would also argue that getting rid of a first come first serve system just to include my ilk would also be unfair, I know I would hate that as a newbie and never come back to a tournament that would exclude me for that.

There are people who say all the time that they can't be on NS for a certain amount of time, look right now Kry is moving houses, ESF is having family issues, etc. and if that bad event or scheduling conflict (in my case) happens to coincide with signups then it becomes too bad for them? I feel like that's the worst thing the WC can do its participants because you would take away people who we KNOW will RP and be active to keep people who MAY be active and participating. Having more participants or keeping signups open and active for 2 weeks, and only 2 weeks, (or a month or whatever we want it to be) will alleviate most of those problems and people who come later we can say, "too bad, you should have come sooner, you can always sign up next cup." Also, if people are not logging on and checking for 2 weeks or longer than they probably not going to be active RPers anyway so we can avoid them.

Then maybe the goal is not a number stoppage but a time stoppage. WC sign ups should only last for 2 weeks and how ever many nations sign up, sign up. With those numbers we can then construct a cup (hosts can reserve the right to change signups to get better numbers of course). I do think this would also have the effect of lowering numbers because a lot people who see signups will be after the deadline so they would not be able to sign up. Though I will admit that I don't have evidence to back this last claim up, I'll look into it tomorrow when I'm less tired.

[Bears Armed]

I don't misunderstand at all. Two tiers are two tiers, whether I call them Zonal and Interzonal and treat them together as qualifying, or whether you call them pre-qualifying and qualifying and consider them separate events. The only difference is that you choose to (effectively) pre-advance a certain number of teams to your "qualifying". That will reduce the total number of matchdays for the select 60, but increase it for the others.

Exactly. Both operate on the same basic premise but use different routes to get to the same place. Now, would the teams eliminated earn KPB points?

Yes. That was the main reason why I made this suggestion, to replace my previous idea of simply having a round of play-offs (home & away) amongst the lower-ranked teams in which they wouldn't have done so...

[Kazzoria]

Is it me or will I never make it past the round of 16 in the CoH? That always happens. I hate you margret.

[Osarius]

Is it me or will I never make it past the round of 16 in the CoH? That always happens. I hate you margret.

Don't sweat it. I only recently started getting out of the group stage haha
As Starblaydia said recently, "If you RP it, it will come"

[Eastfield Lodge]

Is it me or will I never make it past the round of 16 in the CoH? That always happens. I hate you margret.

Don't worry, it took me a few CoHs just to get past the group stage, and I'm yet to pass the quarter-finals.

[The Babbage Islands]

The Cup of Harmony is a tough event. The KPB ranks are often packed fairly closely, and the percentage of good, established RPers is significant.

[Kazzoria]

Is it me or will I never make it past the round of 16 in the CoH? That always happens. I hate you margret.

Don't sweat it. I only recently started getting out of the group stage haha
As Starblaydia said recently, "If you RP it, it will come"

Yeah. My Roleplaying needs improvement anyway so I have only my self and a couple of random numbers to blame.

[Capivara Group]

Aw, come on! I missed on the DBC?

[Sarzonia]

And then there were two ... World Cup bids that is!

[Starblaydia]

Aw, come on! I missed on the DBC?

I'll never go above 32 nations for the Di Bradini Cup, so this is a real first come, first served event.

When TnUI ran the old U21WC, he had a rule where if you RPed in it, you were automatically signed up for the next one. I wouldn't mind looking towards a rule a little like that, but it could be a little like a closed shop.

[Andossa Se Mitrin Vega]

In an official statement today the Vegan Department of International Sport announced that Sea Dragons manager Ibrahim Kali'Kalii has been relieved of his duties. Once touted as perhaps the best manager in Sea Dragon history, Kali'Kalii now finds himself looking for a new squad to lead at just 42 years of age.

Kali'Kalii guided the Sea Dragons to the CoH 43 title before back to back Proper appeances. The Sea Dragons would finisjh in the round of 8 in WC53. A slow start was nt to be overcome as the squad failed to qualify for WC55. The final straw was tto be a round of 16 loss to Pasarga in the latest CoH.


If anyone would like to procure his services, simply TGme with why he would be a good fit for you.

[Mangolana]

Current Skyline United manager Craig Bendeshwatz has announced today that he would like to take his career abroad, and is seeking for a national team to manage. He has managed Skyline United to 4 premier league championships in his last 5 seasons and has done this with a very high powered offense. But, he also always organizes the defense to play in the center and leaves the outsides of the field to his midfielders.

He would emloy a 3-5-2 style for a team if the chose to hire him. He would also play mostly an attacking style of Soccer, with the team constantly pressing and the team constantly attacking. He does however wish to go to a team that has made an attempt at World Cup qualifing, and has made an appearence in the Cup of Harmony. He will not, in any circumstances, go to a team who is very inexpierienced. He strives for sucess, and will not settle for defeat.

If intrested, TG me your team information, along with the info needed to meet the requirements (WCQ number/s, COH, number/s)

[Mangolana]

I know voting is already underway for World Cup Constitution changes, but I want to get your opinions on this for a change, when voting comes up next time.

World Cup Constitution currently reads

1.1 The World Cup Committee

1.1.1 Entry
Nations are admitted to the WCC in two ways:
i) Posting a valid, timely roster or squad list in each of the most recent two completed World Cup's official Roster threads grants membership of the WCC. This must then be renewed each Cup to maintain membership.
ii) Hosting a World Cup to its completion, which grants a nation permanent membership of the WCC, as long as it has participated in the most recent World Cup.

After changes to section ii, World Cup Constitution would read

1.1 The World Cup Committee

1.1.1 Entry
Nations are admitted to the WCC in two ways:
i) Posting a valid, timely roster or squad list in each of the most recent two completed World Cup's official Roster threads grants membership of the WCC. This must then be renewed each Cup to maintain membership.
ii) Hosting a World Cup, Baptism of Fire, or Cup of Harmony to its completion, which grants a nation permanent membership to the WCC, as long as it has participated in the most recent World Cup.

Alright, i'm ready, what do you think

[Civil Citizenry]

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One very small comment.

I would be very careful what scorinator you use under your suggested RP bonus format. What you've just described (large potential bonuses plus penalties for non-RP) is a recipe for disaster if you use NSFS 3. You'd be forced to set max-points very high for your six-matchday group stage, and because nations could potentially be docked bonus points, you'd end up with a massive clump of nations at or near zero points, resulting in insanely wacky results.

I would test the living crap out of your RP bonus format before you go forward with anything.

EDIT: I'm also not a fan of double round robins on a neutral site... just ICly makes no sense to me. Why not just have teams play each other home and away? Or, if you want it to be neutral-venue but want the group stage to last longer than three matchdays, why not just have two groups of eight playing single round robin?

That's just my opinion, though.

Whoops, only just noticed this lol.

Yeah, I would assess xkoranate and NSFS with that style to see what would work best. Not sure yet what to go with.

And the double round-robin thing is a good point as well. I'll have to look at that as well. Thanks for your input!

[Virabia]

I know voting is already underway for World Cup Constitution changes, but I want to get your opinions on this for a change, when voting comes up next time.

World Cup Constitution currently reads

1.1 The World Cup Committee

1.1.1 Entry
Nations are admitted to the WCC in two ways:
i) Posting a valid, timely roster or squad list in each of the most recent two completed World Cup's official Roster threads grants membership of the WCC. This must then be renewed each Cup to maintain membership.
ii) Hosting a World Cup to its completion, which grants a nation permanent membership of the WCC, as long as it has participated in the most recent World Cup.

After changes to section ii, World Cup Constitution would read

1.1 The World Cup Committee

1.1.1 Entry
Nations are admitted to the WCC in two ways:
i) Posting a valid, timely roster or squad list in each of the most recent two completed World Cup's official Roster threads grants membership of the WCC. This must then be renewed each Cup to maintain membership.
ii) Hosting a World Cup, Baptism of Fire, or Cup of Harmony to its completion, which grants a nation permanent membership to the WCC, as long as it has participated in the most recent World Cup.

Alright, i'm ready, what do you think

Honestly, I think this change has no problem with it. I second.

[Pretty Awesome Persons]

I finally allowed a goal.
Well, on to the the semi-finals!

[Starblaydia]

ii) Hosting a World Cup, Baptism of Fire, or Cup of Harmony to its completion, which grants a nation permanent membership to the WCC, as long as it has participated in the most recent World Cup.

No, because the duties and responsibilities that got with hosting the BoF and CoH are tiny in comparison to having to deal with even one half of the World Cup Qualifiers & Finals. Co-hosting one of those shouldn't grant you WCC membership for life.

[Virabia]

ii) Hosting a World Cup, Baptism of Fire, or Cup of Harmony to its completion, which grants a nation permanent membership to the WCC, as long as it has participated in the most recent World Cup.

No, because the duties and responsibilities that got with hosting the BoF and CoH are tiny in comparison to having to deal with even one half of the World Cup Qualifiers & Finals. Co-hosting one of those shouldn't grant you WCC membership for life.

Perhaps just another means to have regular non permanent membership?

[Eastfield Lodge]

No, because the duties and responsibilities that got with hosting the BoF and CoH are tiny in comparison to having to deal with even one half of the World Cup Qualifiers & Finals. Co-hosting one of those shouldn't grant you WCC membership for life.

Perhaps just another means to have regular non permanent membership?

Almost all selected hosts have membership to the WCC anyways.

[Virabia]

Perhaps just another means to have regular non permanent membership?

Almost all selected hosts have membership to the WCC anyways.

Almost all but, in the case they don't (I am a case of this) I think they should be granted WCC membership...

[Andossa Se Mitrin Vega]

Anyone who participated in the past two world cups is in the WCC. Unless you are talking about the EWCC.

[Qazox]

ii) Hosting a World Cup, Baptism of Fire, or Cup of Harmony to its completion, which grants a nation permanent membership to the WCC, as long as it has participated in the most recent World Cup.

No, because the duties and responsibilities that got with hosting the BoF and CoH are tiny in comparison to having to deal with even one half of the World Cup Qualifiers & Finals. Co-hosting one of those shouldn't grant you WCC membership for life.

Maybe tweaking it to say something along the lines of allowing the CoH/BoF hosts, unless that/those nation(s) is/are already a EWCC member(s), a vote just for the next WC cycle? Like the non-permanent UN Security Council nations. It's a reward for the hosts other than to say they hosted and it's only for one Cycle.