The World Cup Discussion Thread (OOC, version II)

[Erathore]

This is more of a Di Bradini Cup question, but when is the next version of the DBC going to start?

[Valanora]

I didn't want to bring this up in my bid thread, even though it has an indirect correlation, but I am a tad concerned by the number of nations that are signed up for the World Cup that have one post and are not confirmed puppet nations. Given that the majority of them were created this month and the sign up is their only post, I am concerned that they may be a user trying to skirt the rules of only two nations in the World Cup.

[Delaclava]

I didn't want to bring this up in my bid thread, even though it has an indirect correlation, but I am a tad concerned by the number of nations that are signed up for the World Cup that have one post and are not confirmed nations. Given that the majority of them were created this month and the sign up is their only post, I am concerned that they may be a user trying to skirt the rules of only two nations in the World Cup.

Would you be able to kick them out then? I'm aware that the principle of host discretion doesn't apply nearly as much in a tournament like the World Cup, but surely it would still apply in a case like this?

[Sarzonia]

If we can confirm that someone is trying to circumvent the rules, I believe there is precedent to expel them from the World Cup.

[Saugeais]

Ask Arch to start checking IP addresses, and see if they match up at all. It's worth a shot.

[Valanora]

I'm not sure we can ask mods to check IP addresses, I believe I remember an issue like this coming up before and we being told that we're not privy to such information.

As for just simply kicking them out, I'd say no, not without proof of it being a user trying to skirt the rules, though such proof is a burden to find. I'd also not like to create such a precedent of just kicking out people due to suspicions, it could potentially be seen as bias. Hence my concern.

[Kazzoria]

I'm not sure we can ask mods to check IP addresses, I believe I remember an issue like this coming up before and we being told that we're not privy to such information.

As for just simply kicking them out, I'd say no, not without proof of it being a user trying to skirt the rules, though such proof is a burden to find. I'd also not like to create such a precedent of just kicking out people due to suspicions, it could potentially be seen as bias. Hence my concern.

Maybe just ask one of them and see if they come clean. Chances are they don't know the puppet policy.

EDIT: Also, I know it's early but would anyone be interested in a bid for the next cup of harmony.

[The Archregimancy]

I'm not sure we can ask mods to check IP addresses, I believe I remember an issue like this coming up before and we being told that we're not privy to such information.

Correct.

I'm really sorry, but I can't do that.

Edit:

However.... After re-reading ESF's post first raising the issue.... If this is a matter of extensive multiples by a single player - rather than just a couple to circumvent the WCC rules - then this might potentially be spamming.

WCC rules are not forum rules; I can't do an IP check on a IC thread internal rule. But if there's evidence of spamming the sign-up thread, that would be a different issue as spam is against the forum rules.

I'm just about to go to bed. I'll look at this tomorrow morning UK time; I may also need to check with the rest of the moderation team as to what action - if any - might be appropriate.

Thanks for your patience

[Aguazul]

As I told ESF on IRC, I don't think this is cause for concern. Several of the users with just one post are in the WA, and their login times don't seem to be coordinated. Probably just vigilance gone too far.

[Starblaydia]

This is more of a Di Bradini Cup question, but when is the next version of the DBC going to start?

When the sign-ups are up, which will be... soon.

[Erathore]

This is more of a Di Bradini Cup question, but when is the next version of the DBC going to start?

When the sign-ups are up, which will be... soon.

Thanks Star. Just wondering as I had 4 hours to burn in a car today so I started redoing all my squads and my wiki pages. Especially my national team page. Those pictures of my players with very crappy Erathore jerseys drawn on them using GIMP are a disgrace and most be redone.

EDIT: Which reminds me, would holding a U-18 Championship not be ok considering the DBC allows players from all ages under 21 to play?

[Kagdazka and Pazhujebu]

When the sign-ups are up, which will be... soon.

Thanks Star. Just wondering as I had 4 hours to burn in a car today so I started redoing all my squads and my wiki pages. Especially my national team page. Those pictures of my players with very crappy Erathore jerseys drawn on them using GIMP are a disgrace and most be redone.

EDIT: Which reminds me, would holding a U-18 Championship not be ok considering the DBC allows players from all ages under 21 to play?

It's my understanding that the DBC is more known for its OOC "RP only, no ranks involved" element, rather than for its IC "U21" element. Star or anyone else is free to correct me, since I don't consider myself an expert (the last DBC I participated in was with the Pazhujeb Islands about four RL years ago), but I doubt anyone would raise a stink if you started a U18 tournament.

Your only obstacle, as far as I can imagine, would be ginning up interest for it; you might have trouble getting it to stand out amongst the myriad of other stuff out there.

[Erathore]

It's my understanding that the DBC is more known for its OOC "RP only, no ranks involved" element, rather than for its IC "U21" element. Star or anyone else is free to correct me, since I don't consider myself an expert (the last DBC I participated in was with the Pazhujeb Islands about four RL years ago), but I doubt anyone would raise a stink if you started a U18 tournament.

Your only obstacle, as far as I can imagine, would be ginning up interest for it; you might have trouble getting it to stand out amongst the myriad of other stuff out there.

That's what I assumed but it never hurts to double check.

[Pretty Awesome Persons]

PAP 4-0 Unitopolis

Woohoo! CoH Champions here we come!

[Ocel0t]

PAP 4-0 Unitopolis

Woohoo! CoH Champions here we come!

Not if I can help it!

[Newmanistan]

EDIT: Which reminds me, would holding a U-18 Championship not be ok considering the DBC allows players from all ages under 21 to play?

Would you consider dropping that to U-16 instead of U-18? May co-exist with the DBC 100-times better.

[Erathore]

EDIT: Which reminds me, would holding a U-18 Championship not be ok considering the DBC allows players from all ages under 21 to play?

Would you consider dropping that to U-16 instead of U-18? May co-exist with the DBC 100-times better.

Hmmm, maybe. The only thing is I have a U-18 team planned out already

[Newmanistan]

Would you consider dropping that to U-16 instead of U-18? May co-exist with the DBC 100-times better.

Hmmm, maybe. The only thing is I have a U-18 team planned out already

Well then make them younger.
Seriously, there's not much difference in a U-18 and a U-21. Prospects in one, prospects in another. A U-16 is a level below which allows for a new tier of prospects. I just think you allow for better player development co-existing with the DBC with a U-16 then a U-18; whereas a U-18 will lead to a lot of choosing between tournaments. That's all fine, but for people who like to develop players, there's more potential, I think with it being U-16.

I speak with experience fwiw, as the organizer of the Keisler Cup (baseball), which has U-21, U-16, and U-13 divisions. Player progression works really well this setup. Obviously you don't need the U-13. Unless you wanted a whole new level!

[Erathore]

Hmmm, maybe. The only thing is I have a U-18 team planned out already

Well then make them younger.
Seriously, there's not much difference in a U-18 and a U-21. Prospects in one, prospects in another. A U-16 is a level below which allows for a new tier of prospects. I just think you allow for better player development co-existing with the DBC with a U-16 then a U-18; whereas a U-18 will lead to a lot of choosing between tournaments. That's all fine, but for people who like to develop players, there's more potential, I think with it being U-16.

I speak with experience fwiw, as the organizer of the Keisler Cup (baseball), which has U-21, U-16, and U-13 divisions. Player progression works really well this setup. Obviously you don't need the U-13. Unless you wanted a whole new level!

I did have a U-16 prospects tournament planned out. Nations would do the whole sending a team dealio, but then other nations would send clubs to look at them and possibly offer deals. I had 30 clubs lined up and everything planned out. Then my computer decided hell nah and went and lost that along with everything else.

I may look into doing that again.

[Krytenia]

Well then make them younger.
Seriously, there's not much difference in a U-18 and a U-21. Prospects in one, prospects in another. A U-16 is a level below which allows for a new tier of prospects. I just think you allow for better player development co-existing with the DBC with a U-16 then a U-18; whereas a U-18 will lead to a lot of choosing between tournaments. That's all fine, but for people who like to develop players, there's more potential, I think with it being U-16.

I speak with experience fwiw, as the organizer of the Keisler Cup (baseball), which has U-21, U-16, and U-13 divisions. Player progression works really well this setup. Obviously you don't need the U-13. Unless you wanted a whole new level!

I did have a U-16 prospects tournament planned out. Nations would do the whole sending a team dealio, but then other nations would send clubs to look at them and possibly offer deals. I had 30 clubs lined up and everything planned out. Then my computer decided hell nah and went and lost that along with everything else.

I may look into doing that again.

If not, I may look into starting one myself after I've got my move and broadband sorted out - which would probably mean sometime in July.

[Cafundeu]

I'm going to open the voting for the Constitution Amendments as soon as I receive the necessary info and update the WCC/EWCC lists. I'll consider the next round of voting to be the first of the WC56 cycle.

[The Archregimancy]

Apologies for taking a little while to reexamine this.

As I told ESF on IRC, I don't think this is cause for concern. Several of the users with just one post are in the WA, and their login times don't seem to be coordinated.

Certainly I see nothing warranting mod action.

It's worth remembering that, alongside the overall site growth since the move from Jolt, we're probably looking at the usual seasonal Northern Hemisphere summer surge. Combined, these may well be leading to an increase in the number of 'first post' sign-ups. I see no evidence of anything I could consider spamming the sign-up thread.

[Civil Citizenry]

3-0 win over Sarzonia!!! Totally worth killing my keeper and stabbing a Virabi striker.

Congrats to Virabia, PAP, and Osarius on qualifying early.

[Stachland]

If you would excuse a new World Cup participant's ignorance, what is generally considered the amount of in-character time that passes between World Cups? I am currently forming a roster for World Cup 56, and need to adjust my players' ages accordingly.

[Aguazul]

There's no standard. Lots of teams do either two or four years. You can choose whatever.