The World Cup Discussion Thread (OOC, version II)

[Tarrentum]

I like your hutz-puh Tolietdonia but the one tournament I did with you: Tolietdonia International - you had such varying and whimsical RP cut-offs that unless I see a better effort for standardized RP cut-offs in the Senior Cup...than no, I wouldn't support you (not like I have a vote) and would withdrawal from WC52.

I don't think that's necessary, as I don't think they're bidding for the WC.[/quote

Oh right...it was for BoF39...but my concern still remains.

[The Great Sandy Desert]

fuck, i lost.

Are you going to ask the World Cup not to respond to your posts?

[Vephrall]

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Arch, just lock the thread already. It's not useful anymore.

[Sel Appa]

fuck, i lost.

Best post ever.

[Yafor 2]

Arch, just lock the thread already. It's not useful anymore.

On that note, the following is a discussion from #nssport (which everyone should join!) that pertains to the issue. I felt that the whole community could benefit from reading it. For clarity's sake:

Jenny is me.
Vephrall is Vephrall.
commerceheights is Commerce Heights (Capitalizt SLANI).
Sorth is Sorthern Northland.
Gruen is Quintessence of Dust.
Zwangzug is Aguazul (and, obviously, Zwangzug).

I guess the only person who was needed for clarity's sake was me.
The log is edited down to the portions that pertain to the issue.

<@Jenny> you know, Vephrall, I'm reading through this thread and idly wondering its intended purpose
<@Jenny> its purpose seems to either be for a) spam or b) complaining
<@commerceheights> c) posting new rankings so that they get buried in spam and complaining
<Sorth> pretty much what both ye said, yup
<Sorth> and the occasional valid question about something to do with the World Cup
<@Vephrall> I believe those three make up (a) 25% (b) 74.96% (c) 0.04% of the thread, respectively, yes
<@Jenny> you swapped A and B, veph
<@Jenny> there's significantly more spam here
<@Jenny> in terms of numbers of posts, I mean
<@Vephrall> okay, I think my numbers are only for the past month or so; overall you may be right
<Gruen> the valid stuff could easily go in the General Questions thread, or simply as one off threads
<@Jenny> but, if we posted rankings in the pres announcements thread and questions can be handled in that questions thread, the WCDT becomes totally unnecessary
<@Jenny> unless we *want* complaining
<@commerceheights> < Gruen> the valid stuff could easily go in the General Questions thread, or simply as one off threads ← that would require moving the scorinator discussion to the scorinator thread rather than the GQ thread, which is far too radical a concept
<@Jenny> which could be a valid argument, alos
<Sorth> Jenny> unless we *want* complaining <-- I think some people do tbh
<@Jenny> I mean, we have the IRC channel to spam
<@Jenny> although, tbh, there are a few other logistical things that the WCDT is useful for
<@Jenny> like selecting managers
<@Jenny> and organizing friendlies
<+Zwangzug> we're evolving towards friendlies threads
<@commerceheights> the WCDT isn’t useful for organizing friendlies
<Sorth> proposing WCC amendments?
<+Zwangzug> as for managers, how about what the Weegies did? one OOC line on the bottom of an RP?
<+Zwangzug> Sorth's point is a good one though
<@Jenny> that could work, Zwang
<@Jenny> actually, I guess the WCDT's usefulness is in that it's a rule discussion thread. So it's actually *supposed* to be a disagreements thread
<@Jenny> which makes all the personal attacks and hurt feelings and stuff par for the course
<@commerceheights> what about pointing out host screw-ups?
<@Jenny> that also, CH
<@Jenny> I'm somewhat tempted to post this log on the thread
<@Jenny> just because I think it's an important thing to think about
<@Vephrall> <commerceheights> what about pointing out host screw-ups? <-- use the bid thread, perhaps?
<@Jenny> anyone object to me posting this log (edited, once the discussion finishes) on the fora?
<Gruen> boobs
<@Vephrall> yes, that's really the crux of it, the NSSport community is populated by far too many boobs who have nothing better to do than yell at each other over the Internet
<@commerceheights> <@Vephrall> <commerceheights> what about pointing out host screw-ups? <-- use the bid thread, perhaps? ← interesting; I guess all CoH and BoF bids have threads nowadays, don’t they?
<@Jenny> hey, I did say "edited"
<Gruen> you will never silence me, censor
<@Jenny> well, given that Veph turned "boobs" into an actual point, I guess I can't
<@Vephrall> see, Gruen, I'm just helping you get the message out
<@Jenny> okay, I'm going to post the log now

Okay, well, excluding Gruen's randomness, it has some interesting points. Though most of it is my incoherent rambling.

[Andrewboy]

whats #nssports

[Andrewboy]

Also, id like to request that somewherestonia add my roster link to the main page of the Coh 43.

[Quintessence of Dust]

It's an IRC channel. For more info, see here.

[Andrewboy]

It's an IRC channel. For more info, see here.

my i get a link to where i can sign up?

[Aguazul]

If you're using Firefox, you can try using ChatZilla to get on IRC. #nssport is on the EsperNet network.

[Schiavonia]

I would suggest some sort of rules for what goes in this thread. I'd say the following:

Discussing RP (including stuff like managers)
Discussing rules and similar things (in a much more civilised manner than has been seen from some recently)
Posting rankings
Making public of any other communication deemed as something of general interest.

That would be about it, I think. Unless anyone can think of anything else.

[Osarius]

If you're using Firefox, you can try using ChatZilla to get on IRC. #nssport is on the EsperNet network.

I havent been able to connect through ChatZilla for some reason. I just use mibbit.com instead (on the rare occasion I actually get onto IRC). It might be a bit easier than installing a plugin etc for some people

[Andossa Se Mitrin Vega]

so now when there is a problem, the first thought is to run and have the thread closed because it has no usefulness. Typical. These discussions and arguments will keep going on wherever the converswations take place. Let's just keep things the way they are. No sense clogging up multiple threads with what only some of you feel as unneccesary junk. Some of the points made here are very valid if you take the blinders off long enough to see and listen to them.

[Vephrall]

so now when there is a problem, the first thought is to run and have the thread closed because it has no usefulness. Typical. These discussions and arguments will keep going on wherever the converswations take place. Let's just keep things the way they are. No sense clogging up multiple threads with what only some of you feel as unneccesary junk. Some of the points made here are very valid if you take the blinders off long enough to see and listen to them.

*sigh*

Okay, I apologize for not clearly indicating that there was just a little bit of sarcasm in my post. I forgot that everything is required to be taken in the most damn confrontational way available (as I'm doing here myself in an effort to illustrate the problem). Perhaps you're the one that needs to "take the blinders off" and look at the wasteland around us.

[Andossa Se Mitrin Vega]

so now when there is a problem, the first thought is to run and have the thread closed because it has no usefulness. Typical. These discussions and arguments will keep going on wherever the converswations take place. Let's just keep things the way they are. No sense clogging up multiple threads with what only some of you feel as unneccesary junk. Some of the points made here are very valid if you take the blinders off long enough to see and listen to them.

*sigh*

Okay, I apologize for not clearly indicating that there was just a little bit of sarcasm in my post. I forgot that everything is required to be taken in the most damn confrontational way available (as I'm doing here myself in an effort to illustrate the problem). Perhaps you're the one that needs to "take the blinders off" and look at the wasteland around us.

Veph, I have never had a problem with you before and dont consider there to be one now. But after the way things have gone over the past week, it is a bit hard to look at this and other comments and see sarcasm rather than the shit that has been bounced back and forth. Me and my wife returned to this game because we love the RP and most of the people who take part in these things here. But when legitimate issues are dismissed off-hand and the person/persons bringing up those issues are quite litterally torn apart with no one listening to what was actually said - it gets old. You guys are tired of the arguments- we are too. But when its the same issues cup after cup..... Is there ever gonna be any middle ground or will this shit always be a part of things around here?

[Vephrall]

Veph, I have never had a problem with you before and dont consider there to be one now.

Nor have I had a problem with you, which is why that post caught me a bit off-guard.

But after the way things have gone over the past week, it is a bit hard to look at this and other comments and see sarcasm rather than the shit that has been bounced back and forth.

I suppose you have a point here. I apologize for my knee-jerk response.

Me and my wife returned to this game because we love the RP and most of the people who take part in these things here. But when legitimate issues are dismissed off-hand and the person/persons bringing up those issues are quite litterally torn apart with no one listening to what was actually said - it gets old. You guys are tired of the arguments- we are too. But when its the same issues cup after cup..... Is there ever gonna be any middle ground or will this shit always be a part of things around here?

Well, like you, I hope there will be a middle ground someday. I guess I meant for my post to point out that there are some here who clearly don't want that to ever happen. Maybe they'll wake up and realize this. Maybe not, but if I can at least point out when someone's being an asshat, maybe they'll at least give it some thought.

[Andossa Se Mitrin Vega]

Veph, I have never had a problem with you before and dont consider there to be one now.

Nor have I had a problem with you, which is why that post caught me a bit off-guard.

But after the way things have gone over the past week, it is a bit hard to look at this and other comments and see sarcasm rather than the shit that has been bounced back and forth.

I suppose you have a point here. I apologize for my knee-jerk response.

Me and my wife returned to this game because we love the RP and most of the people who take part in these things here. But when legitimate issues are dismissed off-hand and the person/persons bringing up those issues are quite litterally torn apart with no one listening to what was actually said - it gets old. You guys are tired of the arguments- we are too. But when its the same issues cup after cup..... Is there ever gonna be any middle ground or will this shit always be a part of things around here?

Well, like you, I hope there will be a middle ground someday. I guess I meant for my post to point out that there are some here who clearly don't want that to ever happen. Maybe they'll wake up and realize this. Maybe not, but if I can at least point out when someone's being an asshat, maybe they'll at least give it some thought.

No problems. We want the same things. Now if we can get both sides to actually listen to each other.,...or maybe we could grow wings and fly - that might be easier.

[Krytenia]

Okay at the minute we are considering bidding with Sel Appa. But first we would like to hear is the community supports it.

Go for it. Yes, Sel Appa was one of our more...controversial members back in the day, but the fact is that was then and this is now. I'm not basing any opinions on record in the distant past; I would encourage others to do the same.

Of course, I'm not saying I'll vote for you two...

[Krytenia]

OK, you know what? We're mature individuals here - whether we're in our nonage or dotage (learning words from Countdown FTW) - and we all have the ability to not post things that will offend and annoy.

I think all of us who have posted in the last few days regarding the JSY/CH/CoH/NEW and Sel Appa/Sarz/LE ruckuses (rucki?) need to take a good hard look at ourselves. We are all capable of being better than this. We are all capable of having intelligent conversations without resorting to playground tactics.

So from hereon in, I want to see no more bile, no more attacks, and no more getting our hackles up at each other.

Or so help me God, I will ask the mods to kill this thread, and it's decendants to the seventh generation.

Now get off my lawn.

[Qazox]

So from hereon in, I want to see no more bile, no more attacks, and no more getting our hackles up at each other.

Or so help me God, I will ask the mods to kill this thread, and it's decendants to the seventh generation.

Now get off my lawn.

Is blood, spittle or urine ok?

A 7th generation Krytie? That thought is very scary...

Lawn? I don't think England had lawns other than at Wimbeldon.

[Krytenia]

So from hereon in, I want to see no more bile, no more attacks, and no more getting our hackles up at each other.

Or so help me God, I will ask the mods to kill this thread, and it's decendants to the seventh generation.

Now get off my lawn.

Is blood, spittle or urine ok?

A 7th generation Krytie? That thought is very scary...

Lawn? I don't think England had lawns other than at Wimbeldon.

And this is exactly the kind of unhelpful, useless post we're trying to weed out here. This is the World Cup Discussion Thread. Where we discuss the World Cup. Not bicker. Not spam up the place so potentially useful insights get choked. Discuss. The. World. Cup.

We all got that? Good.

[Qazox]

So from hereon in, I want to see no more bile, no more attacks, and no more getting our hackles up at each other.

Or so help me God, I will ask the mods to kill this thread, and it's decendants to the seventh generation.

Now get off my lawn.

Is blood, spittle or urine ok?

A 7th generation Krytie? That thought is very scary...

Lawn? I don't think England had lawns other than at Wimbeldon.

And this is exactly the kind of unhelpful, useless post we're trying to weed out here. This is the World Cup Discussion Thread. Where we discuss the World Cup. Not bicker. Not spam up the place so potentially useful insights get choked. Discuss. The. World. Cup.

We all got that? Good.

Ok. So when are the votes for the upcoming BoF to be held?

[Andrewboy]

OK, you know what? We're mature individuals here

not completley ture, im only 12 and havent gone through puberty yet, But, then again, im still the most mature person on my shcool, who still think farts are funny.

[Burchadinger]

OK, you know what? We're mature individuals here

not completley ture, im only 12 and havent gone through puberty yet, But, then again, im still the most mature person on my shcool, who still think farts are funny.

I'm the youngest then!

On another note. No WC bids?

[Krytenia]

OK, you know what? We're mature individuals here

not completley ture, im only 12 and havent gone through puberty yet, But, then again, im still the most mature person on my shcool, who still think farts are funny.

Missed the point there AB.