The Qazox-Kiryu-shi Baptism of Fire 47 Bid Thread

by **Qazox** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:52 pm

Qazox has been one of the most active sporting nations in NS and have been so for over 100 IC years (over 6 years in RL) and would like to host the 47th Baptism of Fire.

Kiryu-shi has been involved in Nationstates Sports for several years, and had its most success over the World Cups in the thirties. Recently staging a come-back, Kiryu-shi is hoping to become reengaged with the NS World Cup in particular.

Past Hosting Duties: Qazox has hosted: World Baseball Classics 1, 4, 5, 10 and 13; World Cup of Hockey 7 and 14; World Bowls IV & IX; Baptism of Iron III and 8, NSCAA II and 2 conferences within NSCAA III and 13 editions of The OXEN Cup, and the 44th Baptism of Fire with Mangolana.

As a first time host, Kiryu-shi is looking forward to the opportunity to help build on the community of Nationstates Sports. And as a nation who has previously enjoyed and had success in a Baptism of Fire, it will dedicate a lot of time and energy into creating a great experience for first-time nations.

SCORINATION SYSTEM: This bid will utilize the latest editon of Xkoranate to scorinate the event. The NSFS formula will be used.

RP BONUS: Culmulative bonus, with an emphasis on creativity and effort over quantity.

Why choose us as a hosts?: The user behind Qazox, as mentioned earlier, has hosted over THIRTY varied international sporting events, 14 of which were major events. As such, Qazox is one of more experienced hosts on NS. Qazox has experience hosting events with large numbers of nations and has proven the ability to host this event before.

Kiryu-shi is familiar with and relatively competent using Xkoranate, but will also work hard to learn as much about hosting during this tournament in order to be able to help with hosting responsibilities in the future as well. With a great respect for creative roleplaying, Kiryu-shi will attempt to actively foster an environment conductive for first time nations to have fun and get into the pattern of roleplaying.

Group Format:
Depending on the final number of signups, all attempts will be made to have the same number of teams in each group and a SINGLE-round robin schedule. To keep the total number of group stage games played managable, groups of 6 teams would be prefered. I'm not beholden to any specific number of groups or numbers of teams within the groups; as long as each of the teams participating play the same number of group-stage games.

Playoff format:
16, 20 or 24 teams will advance into the Knockout rounds; once again depending on the final number of sign-ups and the number of groups. At a mininum each group winner will advance, and 2nd placed teams will likely advance as well. The teams will be seeded based upon group finish (meaning group winners will be seeded higher than any 2nd placed teams) and the tie-breakers. After each round, the teams will be re-seeded.

Group and Playoff Tiebreakers to be utilized involving any number of teams:

I will answer any questions that you may have about this bid as best I can. I thank you for your consideration of this bid.

by **Vilita** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:02 pm

xKoranate using NSFS is a pretty standard, and safe, choice of a scorinator.

You have experience using it and experience hosting.

What does the NS Sport / World Cup community gain by having an experienced host such as yourself solo-host its most 'free willed' event with the most simple, 'tried and true' method of scorination with little to prove. The BOF, known historically for being an opportunity for new hosts to enter the fray and new scorinators to get a run out in a real setting, would seem to be losing a bit of an opportunity to roll out its red carpet to a young aspiring host or a tested method of scorination looking to shed itself from its 'beta' skin.

What else does this host bid offer perhaps to offset the fact that it does not open itself up as an opportunity to give experience to a new host or scorination platform in a WCC sanctioned event?

by **Qazox** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:24 pm

Vilita wrote:xKoranate using NSFS is a pretty standard, and safe, choice of a scorinator.

You have experience using it and experience hosting.

What does the NS Sport / World Cup community gain by having an experienced host such as yourself solo-host its most 'free willed' event with the most simple, 'tried and true' method of scorination with little to prove. The BOF, known historically for being an opportunity for new hosts to enter the fray and new scorinators to get a run out in a real setting, would seem to be losing a bit of an opportunity to roll out its red carpet to a young aspiring host or a tested method of scorination looking to shed itself from its 'beta' skin.

What else does this host bid offer perhaps to offset the fact that it does not open itself up as an opportunity to give experience to a new host or scorination platform in a WCC sanctioned event?

Mostly as experience in hosting another WCC event. I've only hosted one WCC event so far and would like at least a 2nd BoF or one CoH under my belt before I try for a serious World Cup Bid again. As for not giving an "opportunity to give experience to a new host"; that is why I do have an open offer for anyone to co-host with me. I know there are nations out there that would like the experience of hosting an event, and as a nation who has done this before, I believe that I can help that nation along their way. If for some reason no-one wants to co-host with me, then I'd still want to host for the experience.

As for the scorination platform: I know what I'm doing in Xkoranate more so than any other scorinator, and as such I feel that it would be better to you something I'm familar with rather that stumble my way through a scorinator I'm not as comfortable with.

by **Mapletish** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 2:17 am

I remembered during my debut in NS Association Football for the Baptism Of Fire 44,you handled the "Managolana Situation" pretty,well and I have faith in you to host the Baptism of Fire 47.Reassure that you have my vote for this,but I will definitely look into other host bids by other nations that are interested in hosting the Baptism Of Fire 47.
Good Luck Qazox

by **The Icemark** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 4:45 am

Theres nothing I see wrong with the bid. However, I might have missed it but you didn't mention anything about RP bonuses. Then again you might want to keep that secret.

by **Liventia** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:22 am

Mapletish wrote:Reassure that you have my vote for this,but I will definitely look into other host bids by other nations that are interested in hosting the Baptism Of Fire 47.

You do not have a vote for this. Only EWCC members vote on the BoF.

by **Carmadin** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 1:44 pm

I can't vote on it, but just a question

Would a 6-team group, double round robin mean home-and-home matches? I think 10 games is a wee bit much for a BoF group stage, I was in BoF 44 (very well done by you, btw), and I believe it was only five matches.

by **Vilita** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 2:06 pm

The Icemark wrote:Theres nothing I see wrong with the bid. However, I might have missed it but you didn't mention anything about RP bonuses. Then again you might want to keep that secret.

I agree and disagree.

I agree, Mentioning RP Bonuses would be good. Especially since its the single most important factor to determining the scores in this competition, as all ranks will be equal.

I disagree that there is any reason to keep it secret. This is the one tournament where it is certain that none of the competitors will be voting, in fact, for the most part, the competitors don't even exist yet. There is no benefit to withholding something like that from the bid in this competition.

by **Qazox** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 2:36 pm

RE:

#1- RP Bonuses: Seeing as I am looking for a co-host, I'm looking to get input from my potential co-hosts as to what they'd like to do in terms of RP bonuses. In the event of not having a co-host, I will add my how I'll do RP bonuses at least before the vote begins.

#2- Group stage length: I don't think having a 10 game qualifying stage is that big of a deal. If the number of sign-ups warrant it, the number of groups/teams in each group will determine exactly how many games are played. If it seems like having a double-round robin wouldn't be practical, then I will move to a single round-robin format for the group stage.

by **Vilita** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 2:43 pm

Qazox wrote:RE:

#1- RP Bonuses: Seeing as I am looking for a co-host, I'm looking to get input from my potential co-hosts as to what they'd like to do in terms of RP bonuses. In the event of not having a co-host, I will add my how I'll do RP bonuses at least before the vote begins.

#2- Group stage length: I don't think having a 10 game qualifying stage is that big of a deal.

It means the BoF will take an extra week to complete, and will begin to approach the length of previous world cups, thats all...

by **Wight** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 3:20 pm

by **Qazox** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 3:29 pm

I have no problem moving to a single round-ronbin format, and will edit the OP as such.

Didn't think having a double-round robin would be a problem, or else I wouldn't have mentioned it.

by **Socialist States Owen** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 3:52 pm

Qazox wrote:I have no problem moving to a single round-ronbin format, and will edit the OP as such.

Didn't think having a double-round robin would be a problem, or else I wouldn't have mentioned it.

Are you keeping secret all of the aspects of your bid that you think could be problematic?

Last.fm · by **Cosumar** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 4:34 pm

Socialist States Owen wrote:
Qazox wrote:I have no problem moving to a single round-ronbin format, and will edit the OP as such.

Didn't think having a double-round robin would be a problem, or else I wouldn't have mentioned it.

Are you keeping secret all of the aspects of your bid that you think could be problematic?

The double-round robin has been part of his bid since the beginning. What he didn't include originally was format of the RP Bonuses, which is still yet to be decided.

by **Qazox** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 5:29 pm

Socialist States Owen wrote:
Qazox wrote:I have no problem moving to a single round-ronbin format, and will edit the OP as such.

Didn't think having a double-round robin would be a problem, or else I wouldn't have mentioned it.

Are you keeping secret all of the aspects of your bid that you think could be problematic?

The Double round-robin format was the only problematic portion of my bid. And it has been addressed.

by **Vilita** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 7:02 pm

Qazox wrote:
The Double round-robin format was the only problematic portion of my bid.

Are you stating opinion, or fact?

by **Qazox** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 7:32 pm

Vilita wrote:
Qazox wrote:
The Double round-robin format was the only problematic portion of my bid.

Are you stating opinion, or fact?

Opinion, of course. Facts don't exist on NS, except for sports titles :eyebrow:

.

by **Mapletish** » Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:41 am

Liventia wrote:
Mapletish wrote:Reassure that you have my vote for this,but I will definitely look into other host bids by other nations that are interested in hosting the Baptism Of Fire 47.

You do not have a vote for this. Only EWCC members vote on the BoF.

oH ok

by **Qazox** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:59 pm

I've had 4 people put forth an interest to co-host with me so far.

Not going to reveal who has replied as of yet... as you know who you are.

by **Michael VII** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:16 pm

Well, despite not getting a vote for the BoF, I definitely support this bid. I think that it'll be a great tournament, and especially good to get more WCC tournaments under your belt!

I for one, would be interested in co-hosting, if it weren't for me thinking that a bit of no-hosting time might do me good.

by **Qazox** » Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:29 am

I have made my decision, and Kiryu-shi will be my co-host in this bid.

Thnaks to the others who expressed interest in co-hosting with me; and I hope you do well in any future hosting vote.

The OP will be edited as needed for Kiryu-shi's benefit.

by **Kiryu-shi** » Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:36 pm

Before having my information edited in the OP, I'd just like to say that I'm excited to be helping with this BoF bid, and I'm extremely enthusiastic about creating a fun and interesting environment for new nations to have creative RPing opportunities. Although I'm not experienced running a tournament, I'm looking forward to this opportunity, and of course am open to any questions or concerns.

Thanks for your consideration.

by **Qazox** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:45 pm

by **Legalese** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:11 pm

You seem bored, Qazox, so here's a question:

Some things come to note when I see this bid:

The scorinator is a supremely safe and popular choice, and only deviates from the opposing bid in form of the formula applied.

The senior partner in this bid has a history as a host, and I have no reason to doubt the junior partner.

The format is self-described as "conventional", and I lack for a more accurate way to describe it, as it is quite conventional.

In short, this bid has no technical flaws apparent - hell, I have no issues with the execution - but it feels lacking. I look at this, and just don't see an exciting Baptism of Fire resulting from this. And even with all else in mind, I am not compelled to support the acceptance of a bid that is, well, boring.

Am I missing something that will make this exciting?

by **Qazox** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:39 pm

Legalese wrote:You seem bored, Qazox, so here's a question:

Some things come to note when I see this bid:

The scorinator is a supremely safe and popular choice, and only deviates from the opposing bid in form of the formula applied.

The senior partner in this bid has a history as a host, and I have no reason to doubt the junior partner.

The format is self-described as "conventional", and I lack for a more accurate way to describe it, as it is quite conventional.

In short, this bid has no technical flaws apparent - hell, I have no issues with the execution - but it feels lacking. I look at this, and just don't see an exciting Baptism of Fire resulting from this. And even with all else in mind, I am not compelled to support the acceptance of a bid that is, well, boring.

Am I missing something that will make this exciting?

I was never under the impression that hosting the BoF was supposed to be exciting. The excitment is supossed to come from the competitors and their interpretations of the events as they present themselves.

If you really want excitement... then I could add a best 2-of-three falls hardcore steel-cage inferno match between the goalies instead of penalties...

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