NS Youth Games: Discussion Thread

[The Youth Games]

Discussion Thread of the Youth Games
“The practice of sports is a philosophy of life, which places sport at the service of the world’s life beings”
"For the youth. For the sport. For a better world."

This event is born as a response to the lack of an sporting atmosphere for the youths, gathering together the highest amount of nations possible to create a haven for understanding, competition and fair play. The Youth Games will gather the young athletes from all over the world to show the importance of sport and well being.

The first Youth Games will be the Winter Games of 2012, which will take place in Harrikes, the capital of Euskirribakondara.

This is the discussion thread for the Games. Any question, comment, suggestion, etc. can be posted here by any nation.

The authorized persons that can answer questions regarding official topics of the Youth Games are:
* The Youth Games
* Euskirribakondara

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Previous/Future Games
I Winter Youth Games: Harrikes, Euskirribakondara
(Signups - Rosters - Roleplay - Ceremonies and Announcements - Bid)

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Other Links
Bids Thread for the Youth Games
Announcements and Charter Thread for the Youth Games

[Astograth]

How will the Youth Games differentiate themselves from the already established Olympic Games beyond the minor IC detail of these being youth athletes?

[Liventia]

I'll be blunt, ignore the fact that I'm bidding on the real Olympics, and say what appears to be on most people's minds: what is the point of this??

[The Youth Games]

In fact, there main difference is in the scorination, as the distances/points/etc. contested in most events are half of the used in the Olympics. This is all based in the RL Youth Olympics.

ICly the differences, as you said, basically are that: it's for the youth. That creates a new environment for roleplaying, and a new occasion for nations to showcase their sport teams/programs/etc.



The purpose of creating this event is to create new opportunities for RPing in the year calendar; as the Youth Games will be contested in Fall and Spring. (The only exception is this year, as the Winter ones will be on January). And also, provide a new launching pad for some nations to acquire hosting experience.

The idea was born when there was decided that there would be no Winter World Games; so, the Youth Games were created, when it was realized that an integral part of the Olympic movement is the integration of the youths; and as the Olympics already existed, the Paralympics too... the only thing that was missing here in NationStates was the NS counterpart for the Youth Olympics, that started in 2010 in Singapore (Summer) and that will start in 2012 in Innsbruck, Austria (Winter).

[Astograth]

In fact, there main difference is in the scorination, as the distances/points/etc. contested in most events are half of the used in the Olympics. This is all based in the RL Youth Olympics.

ICly the differences, as you said, basically are that: it's for the youth. That creates a new environment for roleplaying, and a new occasion for nations to showcase their sport teams/programs/etc.

If the only roleplaying difference is that the athletes are younger, which doesn't really grant that many new roleplaying possibilites, I don't think the distinction is large enough to support a tournament that is just as big, hosting-challenge-wise, as the Olympic Games. Especially not when the demand for multi-sport tournaments is already satisfied by the Olympics and World Games.

[Chetkosk]

And also, provide a new launching pad for some nations to acquire hosting experience.

If the Youth Games are going to be similar in size to the established NS Olympics, why would a Youth Games provide any different a "launching pad"?
This event will require similar levels of competency, reliability and reputation in a prospective host and thus won't provide a different hosting opportunity for less accomplished users.

[The Youth Games]

If the only roleplaying difference is that the athletes are younger, which doesn't really grant that many new roleplaying possibilites, I don't think the distinction is large enough to support a tournament that is just as big, hosting-challenge-wise, as the Olympic Games. Especially not when the demand for multi-sport tournaments is already satisfied by the Olympics and World Games.

Well, the Summer Youth Games are still under consideration. But, for example.. you have in the Winter, the Winter Olympics. In the summer, the Summer Olympics. For fall and spring there shall be other options.

That's where the Winter Games swoop in.

And for the new roleplaying possibilities:
* The things and stories that can be developed with young athletes are highly different to the adult ones... Brand-new stories, and that can be related from a way different point of view.
* Many events are of mixed genre, something that doesn't happen too often at most sports here in NS.
* For the Youth Games, the hosts must provide sufficient IC information for roleplaying. (And that is specially supervised by the Youth Games Administrating Committee)
* Many nations try to roleplay about things related to youth, and there's no environment for it.

If the Youth Games are going to be similar in size to the established NS Olympics, why would a Youth Games provide any different a "launching pad"?
This event will require similar levels of competency, reliability and reputation in a prospective host and thus won't provide a different hosting opportunity for less accomplished users.

I must say, though, that these Games are actually not as large and hosting-challenge-wise as the Olympic Games. The WYG encompass about a bit more than 60 events in a 10-days "week"; and the Summer list that is being currently decided will not exceed 180 events. The Olympics have more than 80 in Winter, and more than 300 in Summer.

[Thatius]

Personally, I like the idea. For one, it provides new RP opportunities. One of my thoughts of a RP I might develop was a storyline of a young athlete who competes in the Youth Games and later transitions to the Olympic Games, and the different experiences he has.

And these games are shorter, which involve less effort in the long run. In the NS Olympics, the games last for a month. In the NS Youth Games, it's only about a third of the NS Olympics.

[Euskirribakondara]

Personally, I like the idea. For one, it provides new RP opportunities. One of my thoughts of a RP I might develop was a storyline of a young athlete who competes in the Youth Games and later transitions to the Olympic Games, and the different experiences he has.

And these games are shorter, which involve less effort in the long run. In the NS Olympics, the games last for a month. In the NS Youth Games, it's only about a third of the NS Olympics.

Exactly! That's the attitude we're looking for, hehe.

The signups are already open, so you can bookmark the link (or sign up now )
The link is in the OP of this thread, and in my nation's signature

[Mapletish]

I thought the NS Youth Games will start with the Summer Games since it attracts more attention but sincenthe winter games is scheduled to start first,I have no objections.On the whole I fully endorse this idea.

Sports is to nuture the young with values,that will be rooted in them as they start growing up,and will be instilled in them even when they grow up.

[Liventia]

Personally, I like the idea. For one, it provides new RP opportunities. One of my thoughts of a RP I might develop was a storyline of a young athlete who competes in the Youth Games and later transitions to the Olympic Games, and the different experiences he has.

And these games are shorter, which involve less effort in the long run. In the NS Olympics, the games last for a month. In the NS Youth Games, it's only about a third of the NS Olympics.

Exactly! That's the attitude we're looking for, hehe.

The signups are already open, so you can bookmark the link (or sign up now )
The link is in the OP of this thread, and in my nation's signature

For which you have, unsurprisingly, not specified either a scorinator nor what your hosting history is....

[Euskirribakondara]

The scorinator is the xkoranate, but as said, results are split in half in marked events.

Yes, I have no official hosting experience inside NS. But, I've done several internal experiments with the 0.3.2. version of xkoranate; and actually, the success of this project depends entirely on me as host. So, yes, it may be a risk. You may not trust me, and I really get that. But here, is the opportunity to show what Euskirribakondara is capable of.

In case that I cannot cope with the expectations/schedules/etc., there would be a second host chosen by the Executive Board. But, I'm pretty confident on the fact that that won't happen. There's about a maximum of 9 events to scorinate per day, and the input of entries will be done progressively with the signups: that means, when XYZ posts in the signup thread; the entries of XYZ will be put in the corresponding events in xkoranate.

(OOC: Plus, here in Colombia, its holiday of everything (jobs (mostly), universities, schools) in mid-January. So... there's nothing else I have to worry about)

[Carmadin]

I suppose,as VP,i should be answering to this thread....
*searches round for something to answer to*

[The Center]

Well I supose we can grow tank-Humans for this occasion, or use an anarchy test subject

Remember "The Center knows best!"

[Carmadin]

Hello,Center!
Welcome to NS Sport!
We would love to have you in the YG
Before getting involved here,i would suggest taking a look around,and read the stickies!

(and,your tank humans may take a bit long to grow )

[Todd McCloud]

I will be participating... this week will be hectic, but it'll be neat to see younger athletes grow up, lol.

[Euskirribakondara]

I will be participating... this week will be hectic, but it'll be neat to see younger athletes grow up, lol.

LOL, okay. You have until January 8th to officially sign up. But, we've already put Vekaiyu's name in confirmed participants. Thanks

[Vulshain]

Seems to be a great idea. I'll have to come up with a delegation a little bit later today.

[Landereien]

I'll give it a go!

[The Archregimancy]

OFFICIAL MODERATOR RULING:

Euskirribakondara is free to run an event called the NS Youth Games where 'youth' (as variously defined by each nation) participate in multi-event winter games where the event list is similar to that of the Olympic Games. I wish him every success in this ambitious venture.

However, in keeping with established moderator protocol regarding the relationship between new and existing events where potential for confusion exists between the two, Euskirribakondara must take action to disassociate the new NS Youth Games from the established NS Olympic Games, as the NS Olympic Committee in no way endorses, or is associated with, the NS Youth Games.

I note that there's been absolutely no discussion of these new Youth Games in the official NationStates Olympics Discussion Thread, despite Euskirribakondara stating that this new competition is in response to the NS Olympics, will draw upon existing national Olympic Committees, and will use the same three letter national codings as used by existing national Olympic Committees.


Euskirribakondara should take the following specific steps:

1) Edit this paragraph (in each thread in which it appears):

This event is born as a response to the Olympic Games, which since 2006 AD represent the biggest sporting competition of the multiverse, gathering together the highest amount of nations possible to create a haven for understanding, competition and fair play. The Youth Games will gather the young athletes from all over the world to show the importance of sport and well being.

So that it no longer mentions the Olympic Games, or in any way implies a link to the established NS Olympic Games.

2) Edit this post: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=154746&p=7855417#p7855417
So that it removes any mention of 'Olympism', 'Olympic Spirit', 'Youth Olympic Movement', or any other phrasing which implies a connection with the existing NS Olympic Games.

3) Edit the 'official charter' (viewtopic.php?p=7855533#p7855533) so as to remove references to Youth Olympic movement, and most specifically to remove any mention of 'National Olympic Committees' that might imply endorsement by, or association with, the existing NS Olympic movement.

4) Remove this post entirely: viewtopic.php?p=7855787#p7855787
As there is no association between the Olympic Games and the Youth Games, then the official national codes used in the existing NS Olympic Games are irrelevant to the new Youth Games.


Note that the "Youth Games Administrating Committee (YOGAC)" title is perfectly acceptable, and I would urge Euskirribakondara to work with that.


Summed up, a new international sporting event for youth is perfectly acceptable. A national 'Euskirribakondara Olympic Games' would have been perfectly acceptable (as would a regional Olympics for a specific region). A new international sporting event for youth that attempts to connect itself to an established NS sporting competition without the consent or endorsement of that existing competition, and which uses language which strongly implies a connection by extensively duplicating naming terminology, is not acceptable.

I thank everyone for their time and consideration.

[Michael VII]

However, why must he remove all ties to Olympism, Olympic Movement or the Youth Olympic Movement? He is trying to exemplify the RL Youth Olympics, not so much the NS Olympic Games. If he is trying to follow quite closely to the Olympics without trying to be the NS Olympics' Official Youth Series, then I see no reason for him to cut ties to Olympism nor is he plagiarising the NS Olympic team.

As for the NOCs. That should be up to the individual nation's NOCs if they want to be involved in the NS Youth Games as part of their National Olympic Committee, which would include their 3 letter code.

Not trying to start any arguments here, but that's just how I see it.

[The Archregimancy]

However, why must he remove all ties to Olympism, Olympic Movement or the Youth Olympic Movement? He is trying to exemplify the RL Youth Olympics, not so much the NS Olympic Games. If he is trying to follow quite closely to the Olympics without trying to be the NS Olympics' Official Youth Series, then I see no reason for him to cut ties to Olympism nor is he plagiarising the NS Olympic team.

As for the NOCs. That should be up to the individual nation's NOCs if they want to be involved in the NS Youth Games as part of their National Olympic Committee, which would include their 3 letter code.

Not trying to start any arguments here, but that's just how I see it.

The real life Youth Olympics are run under the auspices of the RL International Olympic Committee; they are an official IOC event, not an independent event. Given the potential for confusion on both an IC and RL basis, Euski must disassociate his event from the NS Olympics and NS Olympic movement unless he gains explicit consent from the NS Olympic Committee for an association.

And I stress that this is not an issue that's up for discussion. It's a ruling, not a discussion point.

[Soviet Canuckistan]

^ouch

[The Archregimancy]

^ouch

That was wholly unnecessary - don't spam.

I repeat... there's nothing wrong with the nature of Euski's event, and he's very welcome to run the event. He simply has to do more to disassociate it from the NS Olympic games unless the NSOC grants formal permission for an association.

That's not an 'ouch' - that's merely following established moderation protocol for this forum.

[Carmadin]

I think, perhaps, should this event gain momenteum, it would be a nice addition to the "official" olympics, but, for now, since the IOC does not endorse it, it should remain independent. There really should be some disscussion on the olympic thread........