World Baseball Classic Discussion Thread

[Gotalanda]

I will know be taking nominations for WBC Council President.

Any candidate who receives two nominations for President will be officially placed on the ballot. All Council members except Anglatia, being recently admitted to the Council, and Nova Anglicana, being the term-limited president, may be nominated for president. Anglatia and Nova Anglicana may still submit nominations.

The nations which may be nominated:

Chromatika
Drawkland
Ethane
Frenline Delpha
Gregoryisgodistan
Kaboomlandia
Maklohi Vai
Saintland
Schiltzberg
Super-Llamaland/Hicana
Zyarus (South Yerfilag)

Please submit all nominations to this nation within 96 hours, by 20:00 EST (UTC-5) on Thursday, December 1st.

Results of the WBC Council Vote are in!

Drawkland: 4 YES, 3 NO, 0 Abstain

All nations up for induction into the WBC Council are hereby admitted. Congratulations! The WBC Council now looks like this:

Anglatia
Chromatika
Drawkland
Ethane
Frenline Delpha
Gregoryisgodistan
Kaboomlandia
Maklohi Vai
Nova Anglicana
Saintland
Schiltzberg
Super-Llamaland/Hicana
Zyarus (South Yerfilag)

Don't you mean Anglatia?

Edited.

[Zyarus]

As stated before, we're going back to being South Yerfilag again. You'll see why in my RPs this cycle.

[South Yerfilag]

As stated before, we're going back to being South Yerfilag again. You'll see why in my RPs this cycle.

Yep. Tru dat, bro.

Zyarus (RZY) → South Yerfilag (RSY)

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

So, when you make a roster, is there some lay out to make a roster?

[Gregoryisgodistan]

So, when you make a roster, is there some lay out to make a roster?

It can be as basic as listing your players and starting lineup, but most people add more detail. You can add things like descriptions of the players, your home stadium, or uniforms.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

So, when you make a roster, is there some lay out to make a roster?

It can be as basic as listing your players and starting lineup, but most people add more detail. You can add things like descriptions of the players, your home stadium, or uniforms.

Ah, ok. Thanks.

[Frenline Delpha]

It can be as basic as listing your players and starting lineup, but most people add more detail. You can add things like descriptions of the players, your home stadium, or uniforms.

Ah, ok. Thanks.

And if you want ideas for layouts, you can check out the previous WBC thread (which I co-hosted )
https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopi ... 7&t=387306

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Ah, ok. Thanks.

And if you want ideas for layouts, you can check out the previous WBC thread (which I co-hosted )
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=387306

Neat! I'm thinking basic roster.

[Gotalanda]

With 7 hours to go until the deadline, I have received 8 nominations for president, with only one nation currently receiving two nominations. If, at the deadline tonight, I have received no additional nominations, I will extend it until 20:00 EST on Sunday, December 4th in the hopes that we will be able to choose between at least two candidates. Currently there are five nations who have not submitted a nomination; please do so by tonight, or if you can't, by Sunday the 4th.

[Gotalanda]

I received two additional nominations and here are the results:

Gregoryisgodistan: 2
Schiltzberg: 2
Ethane: 1
Super-Llamaland: 1
Chromatika: 1
Saintland: 1
Drawkland: 1
Frenline Delpha: 1

Anyone with two nominations is eligible for President, and that is Gregoryisgodistan and Schiltzberg. Your options:

1. Vote for Gregoryisgodistan
2. Vote for Schiltzberg
3. Vote to re-open nominations
4. Abstain

As candidates, Gregoryisgodistan and Schiltzberg are ineligible to vote. All other Council members, as listed above, may vote. Please TG your vote to this account by 8:00 PM EST on Monday, December 5. Reminder TG will be sent out shortly. If one candidate has an insurmountable lead before the deadline, voting will be closed early.

[Gregoryisgodistan]

I know that WBC time is almost upon this, so this question isn't really for now, but when this will happen in the future...

But... when will we be doing another IBS?

Honestly, I wouldn't mind if we did away with the IBS, just since the WBC is what it's really about. I would be interested to see other peoples' thoughts on this.

I have no objection to this. It kind of dilutes the baseball thing to have two tournaments. And it's hard enough getting people to host this one.

[Ethane]

Honestly, I wouldn't mind if we did away with the IBS, just since the WBC is what it's really about. I would be interested to see other peoples' thoughts on this.

I have no objection to this. It kind of dilutes the baseball thing to have two tournaments. And it's hard enough getting people to host this one.

Maybe the nice round number of 10 is a good one to end on. And ending on a high.

[Frenline Delpha]

I have no objection to this. It kind of dilutes the baseball thing to have two tournaments. And it's hard enough getting people to host this one.

Maybe the nice round number of 10 is a good one to end on. And ending on a high.

And ending with me hosting it.

(I'm such an egotist.)

[Drawkland]

Maybe the nice round number of 10 is a good one to end on. And ending on a high.

And ending with me hosting it.

(I'm such an egotist.)

Wow, sweep Schiltz under the rug. I see you.

EDIT: wow, cool, my 2000th post

[Schiltzberg]

I received two additional nominations and here are the results:

Gregoryisgodistan: 2
Schiltzberg: 2
Ethane: 1
Super-Llamaland: 1
Chromatika: 1
Saintland: 1
Drawkland: 1
Frenline Delpha: 1

Anyone with two nominations is eligible for President, and that is Gregoryisgodistan and Schiltzberg. Your options:

1. Vote for Gregoryisgodistan
2. Vote for Schiltzberg
3. Vote to re-open nominations
4. Abstain

As candidates, Gregoryisgodistan and Schiltzberg are ineligible to vote. All other Council members, as listed above, may vote. Please TG your vote to this account by 8:00 PM EST on Monday, December 5. Reminder TG will be sent out shortly. If one candidate has an insurmountable lead before the deadline, voting will be closed early.

I appreciate the nomination, and I am very honored and humbled. I think that Greg is also very worthy, so I will be happy with whoever wins. Thank you.

And ending with me hosting it.

(I'm such an egotist.)

Wow, sweep Schiltz under the rug. I see you.

Frenline ran the show on that one behind the scenes. It is cool if he takes credit for it.

[Frenline Delpha]

And ending with me hosting it.

(I'm such an egotist.)

Wow, sweep Schiltz under the rug. I see you.

We've been disovered, boys. Ship out.

[Maklohi Vai]

I have no objection to this. It kind of dilutes the baseball thing to have two tournaments. And it's hard enough getting people to host this one.

Maybe the nice round number of 10 is a good one to end on. And ending on a high.

Secondary tournaments in a sport with a major tournament rarely make it past 10 iterations, I think. The exception is football/soccer, where a lot of secondary tournaments (diBradini cup, regional tournaments) have been going for a long time. Tertiary tournaments in soccer meet the 10 iteration limit (Friendly Cup, which I ran for a while, was an example of this).

[Gregoryisgodistan]

I received two additional nominations and here are the results:

Gregoryisgodistan: 2
Schiltzberg: 2
Ethane: 1
Super-Llamaland: 1
Chromatika: 1
Saintland: 1
Drawkland: 1
Frenline Delpha: 1

Anyone with two nominations is eligible for President, and that is Gregoryisgodistan and Schiltzberg. Your options:

1. Vote for Gregoryisgodistan
2. Vote for Schiltzberg
3. Vote to re-open nominations
4. Abstain

As candidates, Gregoryisgodistan and Schiltzberg are ineligible to vote. All other Council members, as listed above, may vote. Please TG your vote to this account by 8:00 PM EST on Monday, December 5. Reminder TG will be sent out shortly. If one candidate has an insurmountable lead before the deadline, voting will be closed early.

I also appreciate the nomination and feel that either of us will be doing a good job. On a different note, could Nova please prepare a list of people who will be eligible for the Council if they RP and post a roster in the upcoming WBC, and people who will be removed from the Council if they don't? The President tYpically does this with the assistance of the host(s) and it would be useful for whoever takes over for you. On yet another note, I'm glad to see so many people get at least one nomination. It shows we have a lot of capable members.

[Nova Anglicana]

I received two additional nominations and here are the results:

Gregoryisgodistan: 2
Schiltzberg: 2
Ethane: 1
Super-Llamaland: 1
Chromatika: 1
Saintland: 1
Drawkland: 1
Frenline Delpha: 1

Anyone with two nominations is eligible for President, and that is Gregoryisgodistan and Schiltzberg. Your options:

1. Vote for Gregoryisgodistan
2. Vote for Schiltzberg
3. Vote to re-open nominations
4. Abstain

As candidates, Gregoryisgodistan and Schiltzberg are ineligible to vote. All other Council members, as listed above, may vote. Please TG your vote to this account by 8:00 PM EST on Monday, December 5. Reminder TG will be sent out shortly. If one candidate has an insurmountable lead before the deadline, voting will be closed early.

I also appreciate the nomination and feel that either of us will be doing a good job. On a different note, could Nova please prepare a list of people who will be eligible for the Council if they RP and post a roster in the upcoming WBC, and people who will be removed from the Council if they don't? The President tYpically does this with the assistance of the host(s) and it would be useful for whoever takes over for you. On yet another note, I'm glad to see so many people get at least one nomination. It shows we have a lot of capable members.

Greg, on the question of people who will be removed from the Council, I'm going to refer you to this post. This also has a list of people who RP'd and rostered for WBC 37. Below I have listed just the people who will be eligible if they post in WBC 38. Hope this helps whoever becomes president! Good luck to you both!

-Anthor-
Abanhfleft
Alinghi Federal-Democratic Republic
Elykyellek
Hrvatska i Prekodunavlje
Korizland
New Jarwel
Skeckoa
Southern Democratic States
The Fair Republic
The Serbian Empire
Vangaziland
West Phoenicia

[Newmanistan]

I believe that in the event I end up hosting WBC 38, I would be eligible as well based on Article 1.4.

[Frenline Delpha]

I believe that in the event I end up hosting WBC 38, I would be eligible as well based on Article 1.4.

TBF, he can't put you down in that list because you aren't guaranteed to win the host vote.

[Saintland]

After some discussion on Discord, I have decided to put forward an amendment to clarify the meaning of the Council Eligibility portion of the Constitution, which currently reads as follows:

WBC Constitution, April 2014
(previously amended December 2013)

Article I: Council Eligibility

Section 1: To be an eligible member of the Council, a nation must have participated (meaning post a roster and at least ONE RP) in the previous 2 Classics and be approved by a simple majority vote of the current Council. (ie: if there are currently 10 or 11 voting members are on the council, then 6 members would have to approve, etc.) This is to limit the number of members of the Council to the truly active participants.

Section 2: To maintain membership, a nation must fulfill at least one of the following criteria:
Clause a. Hosting (or Co-hosting) a Classic, (if possible), within the next 3 Classics.
Clause b. Participate (meaning post a roster and at least ONE RP) in the subsequent Classic.

Section 3: If a Member of the Council fails to maintain its membership (by failure to fulfill any of the above criteria), it shall have 1 Classic to retain membership (by fulfilling any of the above criteria). If the Member does not do so, then it shall not be eligible for membership on the Council for a minimum of one Classic.

Section 4: Any previous hosts of the Classic within the last three WBCs are also eligible, pending a simple majority vote of the current Council.

I propose that the above be changed to read as follows:

Article I: Council Eligibility

Section 1: To be eligible to become a member of the Council, a nation must have participated in the previous 2 Classics or have hosted at least one of the previous 3 Classics.

Section 2: Following each Classic, the Council shall vote on whether or not to admit any nations that are eligible to become members of the Council. A simple majority vote in favor shall be required to become a member of the Council.

Section 3: Nations that do not participate in two consecutive Classics shall be removed from the Council, unless they have hosted one of the three most recent editions of the Classic. Nations that are removed from the Council due to inactivity may regain membership through the process laid out above.

Section 4: For the purposes of this Article, a nation that posted a roster and at least ONE RP in an edition of the Classic has "participated" in that edition.

Section 5: For the purposes of this Article, multiple nations operated by the same OOC user are regarded as a single nation.

My understanding is that the above amendment proposal does not alter the meaning of the Constitution, but merely clarifies it. If this is not the case, I am willing to adjust my amendment accordingly.

[Gregoryisgodistan]

After some discussion on Discord, I have decided to put forward an amendment to clarify the meaning of the Council Eligibility portion of the Constitution, which currently reads as follows:

WBC Constitution, April 2014
(previously amended December 2013)

Article I: Council Eligibility

Section 1: To be an eligible member of the Council, a nation must have participated (meaning post a roster and at least ONE RP) in the previous 2 Classics and be approved by a simple majority vote of the current Council. (ie: if there are currently 10 or 11 voting members are on the council, then 6 members would have to approve, etc.) This is to limit the number of members of the Council to the truly active participants.

Section 2: To maintain membership, a nation must fulfill at least one of the following criteria:
Clause a. Hosting (or Co-hosting) a Classic, (if possible), within the next 3 Classics.
Clause b. Participate (meaning post a roster and at least ONE RP) in the subsequent Classic.

Section 3: If a Member of the Council fails to maintain its membership (by failure to fulfill any of the above criteria), it shall have 1 Classic to retain membership (by fulfilling any of the above criteria). If the Member does not do so, then it shall not be eligible for membership on the Council for a minimum of one Classic.

Section 4: Any previous hosts of the Classic within the last three WBCs are also eligible, pending a simple majority vote of the current Council.

I propose that the above be changed to read as follows:

Article I: Council Eligibility

Section 1: To be eligible to become a member of the Council, a nation must have participated in the previous 2 Classics or have hosted at least one of the previous 3 Classics.

Section 2: Following each Classic, the Council shall vote on whether or not to admit any nations that are eligible to become members of the Council. A simple majority vote in favor shall be required to become a member of the Council.

Section 3: Nations that do not participate in two consecutive Classics shall be removed from the Council, unless they have hosted one of the three most recent editions of the Classic. Nations that are removed from the Council due to inactivity may regain membership through the process laid out above.

Section 4: For the purposes of this Article, a nation that posted a roster and at least ONE RP in an edition of the Classic has "participated" in that edition.

Section 5: For the purposes of this Article, multiple nations operated by the same OOC user are regarded as a single nation.

My understanding is that the above amendment proposal does not alter the meaning of the Constitution, but merely clarifies it. If this is not the case, I am willing to adjust my amendment accordingly.

That's how we've been intepreting it in the past, but the exact language is gibberish. So if someone doesn't RP or post a roster for two straight cycles, but then hosts the third, they stay on the Council? Because that's how a literal interpretation of the current language would read. But then how do we know they'll host the third after the first two? It really doesn't make sense, which is probably why we interpreted it the way we did. Anyway, seconded.

Edit: Just noticed Section 4, which would seem to clarify it is indeed the previous three. But best to make it clear.

[Frenline Delpha]

Speaking of discord, does anyone have a link?

[Ethane]

After some discussion on Discord, I have decided to put forward an amendment to clarify the meaning of the Council Eligibility portion of the Constitution, which currently reads as follows:

WBC Constitution, April 2014
(previously amended December 2013)

Article I: Council Eligibility

Section 1: To be an eligible member of the Council, a nation must have participated (meaning post a roster and at least ONE RP) in the previous 2 Classics and be approved by a simple majority vote of the current Council. (ie: if there are currently 10 or 11 voting members are on the council, then 6 members would have to approve, etc.) This is to limit the number of members of the Council to the truly active participants.

Section 2: To maintain membership, a nation must fulfill at least one of the following criteria:
Clause a. Hosting (or Co-hosting) a Classic, (if possible), within the next 3 Classics.
Clause b. Participate (meaning post a roster and at least ONE RP) in the subsequent Classic.

Section 3: If a Member of the Council fails to maintain its membership (by failure to fulfill any of the above criteria), it shall have 1 Classic to retain membership (by fulfilling any of the above criteria). If the Member does not do so, then it shall not be eligible for membership on the Council for a minimum of one Classic.

Section 4: Any previous hosts of the Classic within the last three WBCs are also eligible, pending a simple majority vote of the current Council.

I propose that the above be changed to read as follows:

Article I: Council Eligibility

Section 1: To be eligible to become a member of the Council, a nation must have participated in the previous 2 Classics or have hosted at least one of the previous 3 Classics.

Section 2: Following each Classic, the Council shall vote on whether or not to admit any nations that are eligible to become members of the Council. A simple majority vote in favor shall be required to become a member of the Council.

Section 3: Nations that do not participate in two consecutive Classics shall be removed from the Council, unless they have hosted one of the three most recent editions of the Classic. Nations that are removed from the Council due to inactivity may regain membership through the process laid out above.

Section 4: For the purposes of this Article, a nation that posted a roster and at least ONE RP in an edition of the Classic has "participated" in that edition.

Section 5: For the purposes of this Article, multiple nations operated by the same OOC user are regarded as a single nation.

My understanding is that the above amendment proposal does not alter the meaning of the Constitution, but merely clarifies it. If this is not the case, I am willing to adjust my amendment accordingly.

I second this amendment.