World Baseball Classic Discussion Thread

[Schiltzberg]

Oh my goodness, I just realized that the curse of the presidency was broken! I didn't put that together until just now.

Here is the updated HOF spreadsheet. Cassie passes Milchama on the all-time list, now at #5 all-time. Newmanistan increases its lead over everyone else, now with an astounding 22-point buffer over second place Zwangzug. Super-Llamaland comes within one of tying the ancient legend Qazox, and Scootalove City is added to the ranks. Equestrian States get three points for hosting, bringing them up to 10, and since they have played in 17 seasons, they will be the only team eligible to be voted into the Hall of Fame this season. If Frenline Delpha and Sangti participate in one more season, they will be eligible to be voted in as well.

[Drawkland]

Oh my goodness, I just realized that the curse of the presidency was broken! I didn't put that together until just now.

Here is the updated HOF spreadsheet. Cassie passes Milchama on the all-time list, now at #5 all-time. Newmanistan increases its lead over everyone else, now with an astounding 22-point buffer over second place Zwangzug. Super-Llamaland comes within one of tying the ancient legend Qazox, and Scootalove City is added to the ranks. Equestrian States get three points for hosting, bringing them up to 10, and since they have played in 17 seasons, they will be the only team eligible to be voted into the Hall of Fame this season. If Frenline Delpha and Sangti participate in one more season, they will be eligible to be voted in as well.

But when do we get to vote The Great Pond into the Hall of Fame?

[Maklohi Vai]

Oh my goodness, I just realized that the curse of the presidency was broken! I didn't put that together until just now.

Here is the updated HOF spreadsheet. Cassie passes Milchama on the all-time list, now at #5 all-time. Newmanistan increases its lead over everyone else, now with an astounding 22-point buffer over second place Zwangzug. Super-Llamaland comes within one of tying the ancient legend Qazox, and Scootalove City is added to the ranks. Equestrian States get three points for hosting, bringing them up to 10, and since they have played in 17 seasons, they will be the only team eligible to be voted into the Hall of Fame this season. If Frenline Delpha and Sangti participate in one more season, they will be eligible to be voted in as well.

But when do we get to vote The Great Pond into the Hall of Fame?

They're in the Hall of Fame in our hearts.

[Newmanistan]

Thank you, everyone!
Took us four tries when we first started, and four tries this time as well.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Oh my goodness, I just realized that the curse of the presidency was broken! I didn't put that together until just now.

Here is the updated HOF spreadsheet. Cassie passes Milchama on the all-time list, now at #5 all-time. Newmanistan increases its lead over everyone else, now with an astounding 22-point buffer over second place Zwangzug. Super-Llamaland comes within one of tying the ancient legend Qazox, and Scootalove City is added to the ranks. Equestrian States get three points for hosting, bringing them up to 10, and since they have played in 17 seasons, they will be the only team eligible to be voted into the Hall of Fame this season. If Frenline Delpha and Sangti participate in one more season, they will be eligible to be voted in as well.

Sweet, i'm now on the board.

[Ethane]

I'm 8th

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

I'm 8th

It's not that bad, your one place higher than I was last WBC and look how far I went

[Frenline Delpha]

Oh my goodness, I just realized that the curse of the presidency was broken! I didn't put that together until just now.

Here is the updated HOF spreadsheet. Cassie passes Milchama on the all-time list, now at #5 all-time. Newmanistan increases its lead over everyone else, now with an astounding 22-point buffer over second place Zwangzug. Super-Llamaland comes within one of tying the ancient legend Qazox, and Scootalove City is added to the ranks. Equestrian States get three points for hosting, bringing them up to 10, and since they have played in 17 seasons, they will be the only team eligible to be voted into the Hall of Fame this season. If Frenline Delpha and Sangti participate in one more season, they will be eligible to be voted in as well.

Holy sht. First of all, congrats Newmanistan. You earned the win, and I'm glad you got it. Also, I actually have been at this nine times now? Wow, freshman year seems but a distant memory.

[Cassadaigua]

Congratulations, Newmanistan! Great finals series all around. Excellent hosting, too.

[Schiltzberg]

Oh my goodness, I just realized that the curse of the presidency was broken! I didn't put that together until just now.

Here is the updated HOF spreadsheet. Cassie passes Milchama on the all-time list, now at #5 all-time. Newmanistan increases its lead over everyone else, now with an astounding 22-point buffer over second place Zwangzug. Super-Llamaland comes within one of tying the ancient legend Qazox, and Scootalove City is added to the ranks. Equestrian States get three points for hosting, bringing them up to 10, and since they have played in 17 seasons, they will be the only team eligible to be voted into the Hall of Fame this season. If Frenline Delpha and Sangti participate in one more season, they will be eligible to be voted in as well.

But when do we get to vote The Great Pond into the Hall of Fame?

Damn it, we forgot to add a TGP loophole when we wrote Article IX of the constitution that would let us nominate The Great Pond!

Thank you, everyone!
Took us four tries when we first started, and four tries this time as well.

This is very impressive.

[Union of Socialist Alpine Republics]

Congrats to my nemesis, Newmanistan, for your 5th championship and Equestrian States for a well run tournament. Hopefully i'll have more time to RP next time.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

So, I want to update my sig with what my team did in the postseason, what would be a good name for the team that got fourth place?

[Ethane]

Tidying up + my effort to get the Great Pond on the HoF in some capacity.
I propose a few amendments to the Constitution (part cleaning-up, part changing rules). Feel free to suggest changes. This is only a first-draft style thing:

(Amendment One)
Article IV: Impeachment Procedures
[...]
Section 3: The Council President shall initiate the removal vote, which will be open for a period of between 120 hours and 168 hours as set by the President before voting begins. By President, the Constitution is referring to the elected Council President, unless the President is under vote for impeachment in which case the Vice-President temporarily takes up the role of President.

(Amendment Two)
Article IX: Hall of Fame
[...]
Section Two: There are three official ways to reach the Hall of Fame.

2.1: A nation can enter the Hall of Fame through reaching 20 points on a scale which awards points based on previous performances. If a nation reaches 20 points on this scale, there is no need for a Council vote on this nation as they are automatically inducted into the Hall of Fame.The first is to reach 20 points on a scale that awards points based on how well a nation did in previous World Baseball Classics.

2.1.1 The scale referred to in Section 2.1 provides points towards a nation's Hall of Fame tally is as follows:
- 6 points per championship win
- 4 points for a runner-up position
- 2 points for third place
- 1 point for fourth place
- 3 points for hosting
- 4 points for a full term as Council President (by full cycle, the Constitution means a period of 3 World Baseball Classics)
- 2 points for partial term as Council President (by partial term, the Constitution means more than 1 but less than 3 World Baseball Classics)

2.2: A nation can enter the Hall of Fame if their entrance is approved by a quorum of Council members, and the nation has reached the requirements as listed below. (by quorum the Constitution means one more than half the current voting membership of the Council.)

2.2.1 The user behind a nation must have participated in a minimum of 10 World Baseball Classics.
2.2.2 The nation must have acquired a minimum of 10 points in the Hall of Fame tally as shown in Section 2.1.1

2.3: If a nation is denied entry into the Hall of Fame through a quorum of voters, then their entrance may be looked upon again after said nation has participated in a further 5 World Baseball Classics (eg. 15/20/25 WBCs) or if a Council member suggests a nation with over 10 points be added to the Hall of Fame, and that suggestion is seconded by another Council member (similar to the impeachment process). This is then put to a vote after the WBC following.

2.4: If a nation loses a vote on their entry into the Hall of Fame, then said nation cannot be proposed for entry into the Hall of Fame until either
2.4.1 They reach 20 points on the Hall of Fame tally and are automatically inducted into the Hall of Fame.
2.4.2 A period of 10 World Baseball Classics has passed. If 10 WBCs does pass, then the process outlined in 2.3 may be completed again.

2.5: A CTE (Ceased-to-Exist) nation can enter the Hall of Fame through nomination under exceptional circumstances. A Council Member, or a nation which participated in the World Baseball Classic between editions 1-20, may nominate a nation that has between 10 and 20 points and has not participated in the minimum of 10 World Baseball Classics outlined in Section 2.4. After a nation has received nomination, the nomination must be seconded by another nation fitting within the restrictions listed above. If the nation reaches the nomination benchmark, then the entry of the nation into the Hall of Fame is put to a vote at the end of the following World Baseball Classic. If the nation receives a quorum of votes from nations which fit the restrictions above, then said the nation is inducted into the Hall of Fame.
2.5.1 By 'exceptional circumstances', we mean a circumstance in which a nation which fits the restrictions above believes that a previous user, who made a significant contribution to the World Baseball Classic and doesn't reach the Hall of Fame requirements other than the 10 points on the tally, should be inducted into the Hall of Fame.
2.5.2 This process is only valid until World Baseball Classic 50.

Section Three: There can only be one nation in the Hall of Fame per user (by 'user', we mean owner of one or more nations on NationStates).

Section Four: Votes on entrance into the Hall of Fame will take place at the end of the following World Baseball Classic after they have been nominated. All automatic inductions into the Hall of Fame will also be after the World Baseball Classic in which they meet the requirements for entry.

Section Five: A nation that has Ceased to Exist (hereby referred to as CTE) may still be admitted into the Hall of Fame through the process outlined in Section 2.5 if they had enough points to qualify for the Hall of Fame before they CTE.

Section Nine becomes Section Six.

Section Seven: A nation held in World Baseball Classic mythology or held in high-esteem by the community, but does not reach any of the requirements for entry into the Hall of Fame, may be granted unofficial honorary membership of the HoF. This does not mean they are in the Hall of Fame officially but are noted as an influential nation in World Baseball Classic History within the HoF.
7.1 To be granted honorary membership, a nation only has to meet the requirements below.
7.1.1 A nation under consideration for an honorary Hall of Fame membership must have entered in at least 1 World Baseball Classic.
7.1.2 The nation must be nominated by a Council Member and then seconded by another Council Member. The nation must then be voted upon by the whole council and reach a quorum (50%+1).
7.1.3 If a nation is not admitted to the Hall of Fame as an honourary partial-member upon the first vote, then they may not be nominated for entry again.
7.2 This measure may be used for any main nation (by 'main', the Constitution means primary nation of a 'user').
7.3 You cannot be an honorary Hall of Fame member and a full Hall of Fame member.
7.4 The Honorary list is to be used for nations which will not reach the requirements for entry into the Hall of Fame. Therefore, if you enter the honorary Hall of Fame, you cannot be inducted on to the full Hall of Fame list through any other method than that listed in Section 2.1.
7.4.1 A non-CTE nation must provide permission if being nominated to the honourary Hall of Fame list, to prevent the abuse of the list.
7.4.2 If a nation is CTE upon induction into the honorary Hall of Fame list and returns to the WBC after entry, then they may request withdrawal from the honorary Hall of Fame list.

Section Eight: To enter the Hall of Fame, a nation must have not been impeached and then removed from the Council as outlined in Article IV.

(Amendment 3)

Article VII: Voting Procedures
[...]
Section 4: Unless otherwise defined in the Constitution, all vote durations are set by the President, and must last between 72 hours and 168 hours.

[Ethane]

But when do we get to vote The Great Pond into the Hall of Fame?

Damn it, we forgot to add a TGP loophole when we wrote Article IX of the constitution that would let us nominate The Great Pond!

Thank you, everyone!
Took us four tries when we first started, and four tries this time as well.

This is very impressive.

*cough cough* *cough *cough*

[Lycrabon]

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Just for the record: Counting my WBCs as Barnettsville, this was my 15th Classic. Throw those out, it was #12.

[Maklohi Vai]

Ethane, I think I get the gist of your edits, but would you mind re-formatting them and providing some analysis so we can understand exactly what you're changing and why?

So, I want to update my sig with what my team did in the postseason, what would be a good name for the team that got fourth place?

Semifinalists.


And a belated apology to all for my lack of participation. I strove to write more but I wasn't able to. Fear not, I shall return. And truly, fear not the Lumai, because my lackadaisical RPing the past few classics has us ranked #17.

[Newmanistan]

Ethane, I think I get the gist of your edits, but would you mind re-formatting them and providing some analysis so we can understand exactly what you're changing and why?

I agree with this, particularly because you're (Ethane) proposal is a bit unexpected.
Please highlight what is a change, and mention what is an amendment, since the proposal seems to do both.

I'll get Council voting line up in a few days.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Ethane, I think I get the gist of your edits, but would you mind re-formatting them and providing some analysis so we can understand exactly what you're changing and why?

So, I want to update my sig with what my team did in the postseason, what would be a good name for the team that got fourth place?

Semifinalists.


And a belated apology to all for my lack of participation. I strove to write more but I wasn't able to. Fear not, I shall return. And truly, fear not the Lumai, because my lackadaisical RPing the past few classics has us ranked #17.

I was also a bit confused by the edits.


Ah, thanks.

It's ok that you weren't able to RP, RPing takes a lot of time and energy.

[Schiltzberg]

Just for the record: Counting my WBCs as Barnettsville, this was my 15th Classic. Throw those out, it was #12.

I apologize for this error. TBH, I did not realize that Barnettsville was your puppet. It has been fixed now, and you will also be up for vote this time around. So note to the president, Equestrian States and Lycrabon will be on the ballot this time.

I agree with this, particularly because you're (Ethane) proposal is a bit unexpected.
Please highlight what is a change, and mention what is an amendment, since the proposal seems to do both.

I'll get Council voting line up in a few days.

I agree with this. Also, I think that if we are going to vote on an amendment, we might as well vote on it during the council/HOF voting, just so it is all voted on at the same time.

[Schiltzberg]

Here is a list I made of all of the WBC champions ranked by winning percentage, if anyone is interested. If they have the same winning percentage, the tiebreaker is who has the most wins, and if that is the same, they are tied.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Here is a list I made of all of the WBC champions ranked by winning percentage, if anyone is interested. If they have the same winning percentage, the tiebreaker is who has the most wins, and if that is the same, they are tied.

Did SuperLlama land get a perfect season in 31?

[Super-Llamaland]

Here is a list I made of all of the WBC champions ranked by winning percentage, if anyone is interested. If they have the same winning percentage, the tiebreaker is who has the most wins, and if that is the same, they are tied.

We're #1! also #40

Also I'm strongly opposed to the idea of TGP entering the Hall of Fame in any context - having them even remotely close to the HoF, while kind of funny, basically invalidates the idea of the HoF being a place to honor those who have achieved great things in the WBC.

[Super-Llamaland]

Article X: Club Baseball Classic

Section 1: To promote activity within domestic baseball leagues, a Club Baseball Classic (CBC) will be held directly before each WBC.

Section 2: The CBC will be ICly and OOCly hosted by the host of the next WBC.

Section 3: Each nation invited to send a team to the CBC by the hosts will be allowed to select which of their teams participates in the CBC,
a.) This team must qualify on merit by winning some internal competition within their nation’s domestic league, and the CBC host reserves the right to disallow teams that have not done so.

Section 4: Nations invited to send a team will include:
a.) The four semifinalists of the most recent WBC,
b.) The host nation of the upcoming WBC,
c.) Additional nations, to be selected by the host

i.) In order to be selected, nations must have written a minimum of three RPs in the past WBC,
ii.) A host cannot select their own puppet to participate,
iii.) The President of the WBC must approve these choices before they can officially participate.
d.) The defending champion of the CBC will also be invited to participate,

i.) If the nation of the defending champion also qualified to select a team for the CBC, they may select a second team.

Section 5: Similarly to Article VI, Section 1, no team may voluntarily forfeit games or entire series after a CBC has started.

Amendment to Article IX, Section 2
1 HoF point will be awarded to the nation of origin of the champion of each CBC.

[Zwangzug]

I know I'm not active here anymore, but for what it's worth, my opinion on the above: I'm opposed to the CBC amendment. I don't think it's fair to demand the the WBC host(s) take on extra scorination responsibilities (for a competition that is unlikely to produce RP) as a condition of their hosting. I also don't think it's fair to demand that participation be linked to WBC signups/RPing/success. (Some users might find it easier to scorinate and post domestic leagues on their own schedule than to consistently sign up and RP for a national team competition like the WBC.)

Independently bring back a club baseball tournament if you want to, or recognize that scorinating domestic leagues might not be a viable long-term prospect, but I advise against forcibly linking it to the WBC.

[Schiltzberg]

Here is a list I made of all of the WBC champions ranked by winning percentage, if anyone is interested. If they have the same winning percentage, the tiebreaker is who has the most wins, and if that is the same, they are tied.

We're #1! also #40

Also I'm strongly opposed to the idea of TGP entering the Hall of Fame in any context - having them even remotely close to the HoF, while kind of funny, basically invalidates the idea of the HoF being a place to honor those who have achieved great things in the WBC.

Yes, you are. And yes, Herp, he did. I agree with you that TGP should not actually be in the HOF. If that is what Ethane's amendment(s) are trying to achieve, I will not support them.

Article X: Club Baseball Classic

Section 1: To promote activity within domestic baseball leagues, a Club Baseball Classic (CBC) will be held directly before each WBC.

Section 2: The CBC will be ICly and OOCly hosted by the host of the next WBC.

Section 3: Each nation invited to send a team to the CBC by the hosts will be allowed to select which of their teams participates in the CBC,
a.) This team must qualify on merit by winning some internal competition within their nation’s domestic league, and the CBC host reserves the right to disallow teams that have not done so.

Section 4: Nations invited to send a team will include:
a.) The four semifinalists of the most recent WBC,
b.) The host nation of the upcoming WBC,
c.) Additional nations, to be selected by the host

i.) In order to be selected, nations must have written a minimum of three RPs in the past WBC,
ii.) A host cannot select their own puppet to participate,
iii.) The President of the WBC must approve these choices before they can officially participate.
d.) The defending champion of the CBC will also be invited to participate,

i.) If the nation of the defending champion also qualified to select a team for the CBC, they may select a second team.

Section 5: Similarly to Article VI, Section 1, no team may voluntarily forfeit games or entire series after a CBC has started.

Amendment to Article IX, Section 2
1 HoF point will be awarded to the nation of origin of the champion of each CBC.

I am not necessarily opposed to there being a CBC like you have here, but I do not agree that it should be part of the WBC. I think if we are going to do that, it should be independent, like how the International Baseball Slam was.