World Lacrosse Championships: The Discussion Thread

[Sarzonia]

First of all, a hearty congratulations to St. Saratoga on your second title in three tournaments!

Secondly, congrats to Cassadaigua on another well run tournament!

[Commonwealth of Baker Park]

First of all, a hearty congratulations to St. Saratoga on your second title in three tournaments!

Secondly, congrats to Cassadaigua on another well run tournament!

I am in full agreement with both these sentiments.

[Banija]

Congrats to St. Saratoga! And great work by Cassadaigua for putting on yet another excellent tournament.

Here are the Official WLC 34 Ranks for our next tournament! We have a new world #1!

[Sarzonia]

I tried accessing the medal stand and history of the WLC, but the nation has CTE. Cosumar restored it, but didn't respond to a TG I sent him requesting the password.

I'd like to get access to be able to update the information for anyone interested in reading it.

More to the point: I would also like to gauge interest in possibly establishing a constitution for the WLC or at least set up a line of succession after the WLC President.

Right now, with Cosumar CTE and no formal announcement, we either don't have a President or I'm acting in the role. For the sake of establishing some certainty, I'd like to see how we want to move forward.

[Soldera]

I took a brief look at the WCC constitution for some ideas. I wouldn't intend to have anything as complex as that, but it gave me an idea or two.

For starters, if we have only one Presidential candidate and the majority of votes are in favour of that person becoming President, then how do we decide on a vice president? If there's more than one candidate for President, should we have the second place vote-getter become Vice President?

I'd also like to at least have a small council in place as well with a nomination process and a means by which a player can maintain status on the Council.

Then there's also the matter of what kind of decisions a President or a Council can or should make.

(This is Sarzonia in my Soldera puppet, by the way)

[St Saratoga]

First of all, a hearty congratulations to St. Saratoga on your second title in three tournaments!

Secondly, congrats to Cassadaigua on another well run tournament!

I am in full agreement with both these sentiments.

First of all, a hearty congratulations to St. Saratoga on your second title in three tournaments!

Secondly, congrats to Cassadaigua on another well run tournament!

Congrats to St. Saratoga! And great work by Cassadaigua for putting on yet another excellent tournament.

Here are the Official WLC 34 Ranks for our next tournament! We have a new world #1!

Thank you all! I’m loving the storyline that’s we have in this tournaments! Looking forward to seeing how they grow!

[Jeckland]

Everything Thread is now up!

[Jeckland]

The everything thread has now been updated with the group draw and IC info. Reminder telegrams to participating nations will be sent in a few hours time.

[Jeckland]

The first cutoff window will start 24 hours from this comment being posted.

A note on style mods - I've seen a lot of you use them in your rosters, and whilst there's nothing wrong with that, xkoranate's lacrosse function does not come with them. So you can RP your teams as being more attacking/defensive but this will not necessarily be reflected in their results.

[Banija]

Big congratulations to HUElavia for coming all the way from 39th in the ranks and taking the big-time dub!

The updated rankings are now provided.

And, of course, great work to Jeckland for a smooth, well-run tournament. Until next time!

[Sarzonia]

Ironic how I pass Banija and Baker Park after I fired my coach!

CONGRATULATIONS HUElavia on your first title, and well done Jeckland on running a strong tournament!

Since we've gone the last couple of WLCs without a formal announcement to that effect, I've essentially been working as the de facto WLC president. I'd like to begin to request nominations for President to start their term at the beginning of WLC 35.

In addition, I would also like to propose that if there is more than one candidate, the second placed finisher would serve as vice president if they accept. Otherwise, I propose a similar nomination/voting process for vice president.

Thoughts?

[Commonwealth of Baker Park]

I concur with the congratulations to HUElavia for their 1st WLC Championship, and thanks to Jeckland for a fantastic tourney. Overall, it was one of the best in terms of participation, and the RP was excellent.

If His Excellency the President has no objection, I will nominate him for another term; I always considered that we'd agreed to his ascension by acclimation and he has done excellent work--I will actually volunteer to serve as VP, so I suppose I am nominating us as a ticket!

I do wonder how the rankings allowed his Excellency to jump ahead of me as we were joint 6th, and had the same group stage result, but I finished ahead of him.
ADDITIONAL: I perceive that the math that dropped previous tournament results is the factor. Apologies.

[St Saratoga]

Congrats HUElavia!

Working in electoral politics when this is happening is tough XD, sorry for the lack of roleplay from my end.

[Sarzonia]

I would be delighted to run for another term as President and I would be thrilled to have Baker Park up for and possibly serving as Vice President.

[Banija]

I concur with the congratulations to HUElavia for their 1st WLC Championship, and thanks to Jeckland for a fantastic tourney. Overall, it was one of the best in terms of participation, and the RP was excellent.

If His Excellency the President has no objection, I will nominate him for another term; I always considered that we'd agreed to his ascension by acclimation and he has done excellent work--I will actually volunteer to serve as VP, so I suppose I am nominating us as a ticket!

I do wonder how the rankings allowed his Excellency to jump ahead of me as we were joint 6th, and had the same group stage result, but I finished ahead of him.
ADDITIONAL: I perceive that the math that dropped previous tournament results is the factor. Apologies.

I second the nomination of Sarzonia as President, and the nomination of Baker Park as Vice President.

I also think we should define the length of the term. Standard length is three tournaments right? So through the end of WLC 37 would work?

[Sarzonia]

I'm good with both of those.

Should we have term limits?

I'd suggest drafting a constitution so we can have something in place.

[Commonwealth of Baker Park]

no objections to any of these suggestions.

[Sarzonia]

Here are some ideas I have for a constitution. I'd welcome thoughts about any of it and suggested revisions.

World Lacrosse Championships Constitution

Article I: The World Lacrosse Championships shall be governed by a World Lacrosse Council (herinafter referred to as The Council). The Council shall consist of a President, a Vice President, and as many as three Council Members in the first term under this Constitution. The Council may increase to as many as seven additional members in subsequent terms. In subsequent terms, the Council may nominate any active member nation. An active nation shall be considered a player who has posted at least a roster and a roleplay in the most recently completed WLC. An active nation is considered eligible for nomination for Council membership.

Section 2: For the purposes of this Constitution, a term shall be defined as three WLCs operated to completion.

Article II: During the preparation for the tournament prior to the end of a term, the Council shall seek nominations from other Council Members or other active nations for President over the course of one RL week. In the event that more than one player is nominated, there shall be a period of three RL days for an election. The nominee with a majority of votes by active nations and Council Members shall become President as long as a quorum of voters shall have voted. For purposes of this Article, a quorum shall be defined as one more than 50 percent of the active membership as defined in Article I.

Section 2: If neither candidate shall attain such majority, there shall be a runoff election with the top two vote-getters for a period of three RL days. In a run-off election, the option to re-open nominations and/or abstain will not be permitted.

Section 3: The candidate who finishes second in the election for President shall have the option of serving as Vice President. If that candidate declines the option, the President shall nominate a candidate to serve as Vice President.

Section 4: In the event that only one candidate is nominated for President, the election would be to install that candidate as President or re-open the nomination process. In the event that candidate is elected President, they shall nominate a candidate to serve as Vice President.

Section 5: No person may serve more than two non-consecutive terms as President. However, they may remain on the Council or serve as Vice President, and would be eligible to re-ascend to the Presidency.

Article III: In the event of the departure of the President from the forums, the Vice President shall become President with immediate effect. If the President does not return to the forums without contact or prior announcement after three RL weeks, the Vice President shall serve as President. Any Vice President who becomes President under this Article shall nominate one candidate to serve as Vice President.

Section 2: In the event both the President and the Vice President depart the game with or without an announcement and do not nominate a successor, the Council shall elect a President from among its ranks. Such elected President shall then nominate a Vice President.

Article IV: The President shall be responsible for initiating signups and soliciting host bids for the WLC. Upon receipt of a minimum of one hosting bid, the President shall, at their discretion, determine when host bids shall close and then call for a vote among the active membership. Once a host is elected, the President shall turn the administration of the tournament over to the host nation, who shall have final authority over the operation of the tournament.

Section 2: The President shall determine how to proceed in the event of the abandonment of hosting duties by the host nation, and shall convene the council in the event of emergencies involving an in progress tournament. In the event of malfeasance or nonfeasance on the part of the host nation, the President shall have discretion to take whatever actions are necessary to preserve the integrity of the tournament, up to and including requiring the host to relinquish hosting duties.

Article V: The President, the Vice President, and any Council Member may be impeached by the announcement of the same by one Council Member and the second of a Council Member. The Council shall then try the Member over the course of one RL week, and the entire Council save the accusing Members and the accused shall vote on whether or not to remove the impeached member. A two-thirds majority of Council Membership shall be required to remove a Council Member from that role.

Section 2: In the event a Council Member is impeached, they are required to remain off the Council until the conclusion of the term. They would be eligible to return to the Council for the following term. However, in the event the Council is satisfied that the conditions causing impeachment have been removed, the Council may by simple majority vote to readmit the removed Member.

[Cassadaigua]

Here are some ideas I have for a constitution. I'd welcome thoughts about any of it and suggested revisions.

World Lacrosse Championships Constitution

Article I: The World Lacrosse Championships shall be governed by a World Lacrosse Council (herinafter referred to as The Council). The Council shall consist of a President, a Vice President, and as many as three Council Members in the first term under this Constitution. The Council may increase to as many as seven additional members in subsequent terms. In subsequent terms, the Council may nominate any active member nation. An active nation shall be considered a player who has posted at least a roster and a roleplay in the most recently completed WLC. An active nation is considered eligible for nomination for Council membership.

I don't like this article. I do not understand why we are only allowing "as many as three council members" after the President and the VP. The World Lacrosse Championships is a smaller tournament, despite having as many editions as we have seen. We should not have a restrictive council, if the nation has posted a roster and a RP, then they should be a part of the council; not just nominated as a possibility to be on it. If we end up with 10-12 or more council members, I don't see the problem with that.

[Commonwealth of Baker Park]

Here are some ideas I have for a constitution. I'd welcome thoughts about any of it and suggested revisions.

World Lacrosse Championships Constitution

Article I: The World Lacrosse Championships shall be governed by a World Lacrosse Council (herinafter referred to as The Council). The Council shall consist of a President, a Vice President, and as many as three Council Members in the first term under this Constitution. The Council may increase to as many as seven additional members in subsequent terms. In subsequent terms, the Council may nominate any active member nation. An active nation shall be considered a player who has posted at least a roster and a roleplay in the most recently completed WLC. An active nation is considered eligible for nomination for Council membership.

I don't like this article. I do not understand why we are only allowing "as many as three council members" after the President and the VP. The World Lacrosse Championships is a smaller tournament, despite having as many editions as we have seen. We should not have a restrictive council, if the nation has posted a roster and a RP, then they should be a part of the council; not just nominated as a possibility to be on it. If we end up with 10-12 or more council members, I don't see the problem with that.

I think I have to agree. We've been allowing anyone who signed up and had participated in a previous edition to vote on a host. I don't think that should change. Even the WCC allows for any active member to have voice on host selection.

[Sarzonia]

I haven't gotten to host voting because I wanted to give discretion to the person running sign-ups, but I definitely want anyone who has signed up for the WLC by the time we vote on hosts to be eligible to vote for the host.

That includes people who signed up for the WLC for the first time.

Thank you for the feedback so far. The more input we get, the better we get a Constitution that serves us all well.

[Sarzonia]

Here is the proposed Constitution with feedback from Cassadaigua and Baker Park taken into consideration.


World Lacrosse Championships Constitution

Article I: The World Lacrosse Championships shall be governed by a World Lacrosse Council (herinafter referred to as The Council). The Council shall consist of a President, a Vice President, and active nations. An active nation shall be considered a player who has posted at least a roster and a roleplay in the most recently completed WLC.

Section 2: For the purposes of this Constitution, a term shall be defined as three WLCs operated to completion.

Article II: During the preparation for the tournament prior to the end of a term, the Council shall seek nominations for President over the course of one RL week. In the event that more than one player is nominated, there shall be a period of three RL days for an election. The nominee with a majority of votes by active nations shall become President as long as a quorum of voters shall have voted. For the purposes of this Article, a quorum shall be defined as one more than 50 percent of the active membership as defined in Article I.

Section 2: If neither candidate shall attain such majority, there shall be a runoff election with the top two vote-getters for a period of three RL days. In a run-off election, the option to re-open nominations and/or abstain will not be permitted.

Section 3: The candidate who finishes second in the election for President shall have the option of serving as Vice President. If that candidate declines the option, the President shall nominate a candidate to serve as Vice President.

Section 4: In the event that only one candidate is nominated for President, the election would be to install that candidate as President or re-open the nomination process. In the event that candidate is elected President, they shall nominate a candidate to serve as Vice President.

Section 5: No person may serve more than two consecutive terms as President. However, they may remain on the Council or serve as Vice President, and would be eligible to re-ascend to the Presidency. (NOTE: non-consecutive really doesn't make sense here, and I meant consecutive terms.)

Article III: In the event of the departure of the President from the forums, the Vice President shall become President with immediate effect. If the President does not return to the forums without contact or prior announcement after three RL weeks, the Vice President shall serve as President. Any Vice President who becomes President under this Article shall nominate one candidate to serve as Vice President.

Section 2: In the event both the President and the Vice President depart the game with or without an announcement and do not nominate a successor, the Council shall elect a President from among its ranks. Such elected President shall then nominate a Vice President.

Article IV: The President shall be responsible for initiating signups and soliciting host bids for the WLC. Upon receipt of a minimum of one hosting bid, the President shall, at their discretion, determine when host bids shall close and then call for a vote among the active membership. Once a host is elected, the President shall turn the administration of the tournament over to the host nation, who shall have final authority over the operation of the tournament.

Section 2: The President shall determine how to proceed in the event of the abandonment of hosting duties by the host nation, and shall convene the Council in the event of emergencies involving an in progress tournament. In the event of malfeasance or nonfeasance on the part of the host nation, the President shall have discretion to take whatever actions are necessary to preserve the integrity of the tournament, up to and including requiring the host to relinquish hosting duties.

Article V: The President and/or the Vice President may be impeached by the announcement of the same by one active nation and the second of an active nation. The members shall then try the officer over the course of one RL week, and the entire roster of active nations save the accusing members and the accused shall vote on whether or not to remove the impeached member. A two-thirds majority of active nations shall be required to remove an officer from that role.

Section 2: In the event an officer is impeached, they are required to remain off the Council until the conclusion of the term. They would be eligible to return to the Council for the following term. However, in the event the Council is satisfied that the conditions causing impeachment have been removed, the Council may by simple majority vote to readmit the removed Member.

[Commonwealth of Baker Park]

I apologize that I've not replied to this before now.

I also appreciate the President has considered the input and submitted a draft Constitution that seems to be appropriate for the current status of the WLC.

I propose that the Constitution be adopted, by vote of all current WLC members--barring further discussion/input--no earlier than August 21st.

I also propose that the previously proposed election of President (and/or Vice President) take place at that time.

[Sarzonia]

I second the proposal by our esteemed member and welcome further discussion or questions

[Sarzonia]

I see I forgot to add a provision to amend the constitution, so here is a proposal:

Article VI: Amendments may be proposed by any Council member as defined above when deemed necessary. Each proposed Amendment receiving the publicly announced support of two other Council members shall go through a period of three RL days of discussion and potential revision.

Section 2: After the period of discussion, the proposed Amendment shall put before the full Council for a vote lasting for one RL week. Any proposed Amendment receiving two thirds of all votes cast in favour provided that a quorum of Council members votes shall be adopted.

Section 3: Any proposed Amendment receiving a two thirds vote in favour would be automatically adopted.