The World Bowl Discussion Thread (OOC)

[Newmanistan]

Much ado about nothing as far as I'm concerned. Elo rankings are interesting to look at and to discuss as we have, but at the end of the day, they mean nothing in regards to actual World Bowl rankings.

[Dancougar]

Curiosity takes hold here. How do you calculate an "expected score" for gridiron? And do you run a risk of making winning irrelevant? A focus on points scored, relative or absolute, seems oddly placed. Points are a means to an end. The desired end is the win.

My understanding is that the component being discussed is actually "expected result," which fluctuates between 0 (for "expected to lose 100% of the time") to 1 (for "expected to win 100% of the time"). Normally, the way the expected result is a calculated is as a function of the opponent's ranks. The one with a higher rank will naturally have an expected result closer to 1. The actual result of the game is 0, 1/2, or 1 regardless of the sport being contested.

The difference between the expected result and actual result for each team is used to calculate the baseline change of a their ELO rank. From this, a strong team gains few points from beating a weak team, whereas a weak team gains a lot by getting an upset. I believe ELOs are zero sum, so the points gained in a match by one team are lost by the other. Wikipedia has the exact formulas, but this is the basic result of the math.

Margin of victory, weights for tournament importance, and other factors may be used to add weight to the number calculated in the previous step. For the World Football ELOs, for example, World Cup matches carry a weight of 60 and friendlies carry a weight of 20, IIRC, and if you win by a goal that's worth a 1.5x boost, by two goals it's slightly larger, and so on.

[Arroza]

Don't expect me to be able to do rankings. I'm in Central Texas, on my way to Phoenix to deliver 18 tons of awning cloth. Hence why I said before WB-9 that someone was going to have to take over ranking and filing.

[CommunistSovietAmerica]

When is the next World Bowl if I may ask?

[Dancougar]

Hmm... it's been a month since the last one ended, so a good target for signups might be once World Cup quals are half over. Then two-three weeks of signups and host bids will follow, so that we ought to be ready to kick it off roughly when the World Cup ends. Does that sound good to people?

[The Fanboyists]

I'm ready whenever everyone else is ready to have another one. Sooner the better.

[F1-Insanity]

Another World Bowl, we wantsssss it.... givesssss it to usssss.....

[Delaclava]

Hmm... it's been a month since the last one ended, so a good target for signups might be once World Cup quals are half over. Then two-three weeks of signups and host bids will follow, so that we ought to be ready to kick it off roughly when the World Cup ends. Does that sound good to people?

Sounds good.

[Qazox]

I'm ready whenever everyone else is ready to have another one. Sooner the better.

Only if I'm not in your group...

[Whittoria]

I'm game for World Bowl X, just as soon as SAC play is over.

[Dancougar]

Although I guess we do need somebody to take over the rankings from Arroza. I think there was an explanation of how they work somewhere in this thread, but I could be wrong.

[Delaclava]

Although I guess we do need somebody to take over the rankings from Arroza. I think there was an explanation of how they work somewhere in this thread, but I could be wrong.

There was.

[The Babbage Islands]

I can rebuild the spreadsheet and pick up the Arroza rankings. It's not the best week for it, at least until the Handball World Cup is stable. But I'm willing. (Note that Arroza's last published spreadsheet does not appear to be available from the posted links.)

[Dancougar]

That's all right; as long as we have the method and can reconstruct it sometime in the next month, I'm sure we'll be fine.

[Newmanistan]

Starting after World Cup 50 is done, or thereabouts seems to make sense.

I am not going to bid to host World Bowl 10. I say this because I had said during WB9 then I would.
I'm a little burnt out from hosting, and will be more by the end of WBC 14.

[Qazox]

I could host WB 10, though I'd only do so if no one else wanted to.

[F1-Insanity]

If I could figure out the scorinating thingy I could host the BoI, and act as a neutral venue (since I participated in the previous one, and won it).

I know I can't participate in it, so I'd be perfectly neutral

[Free Austin]

I think hosting the WCoH, however error prone it may have proved, has temporarily given me the hosting bug, so I'm considering bidding to host the World Bowl. I mention this mainly because if anyone wished to co-host, I'd be interested.

[Newmanistan]

I think hosting the WCoH, however error prone it may have proved, has temporarily given me the hosting bug, so I'm considering bidding to host the World Bowl. I mention this mainly because if anyone wished to co-host, I'd be interested.

There were quirks, but nothing really wrong about it. I would support a bid of yours.

[The Babbage Islands]

World Bowl Ratings
Arroza formula, through World Bowl IX

Rnk  Nation                Rating
58=  A White Hawk           1.79
50   Acadianne              2.15
37=  Al-Mumtaz              4.45
41   Albundania             4.29
77=  Allanea                0.38
75=  Alpha-land             0.40
53   Ameriganistan          2.03
37=  Andrewboy              4.45
52   Antarctistan           2.04
12   Arroza                15.25
70=  Barbana                0.94
18   Barnettsville          9.30
32   Bavin                  5.15
80   Bettia                 0.25
2=   Bluth Corporation     19.00
7    Cassadaigua           17.50
39=  Ceruleo                4.35
20   Chetssaland            8.68
39=  Cheztope               4.35
58=  Christstan             1.79
46   Connar Republic        3.15
66=  Cordeleone             1.25
58=  Courezzia              1.79
8    Dancougar             17.25
58=  Danielturner           1.79
84=  Daschwich              0.00
11   Delaclava             15.79
55=  Delesa                 1.92
45   Docky                  3.34
84=  Ell-Oh-Ell             0.00
19   F1-Insanity            8.80
84=  Forza Motorsports      0.00
31   Free Austin            5.25
2=   Fujisawan Territories 19.00
21   German zerabithea      8.20
72=  Holy Marsh             0.50
22=  Iglesian Archipelago   8.00
70=  Jagada                 0.94
33   Jalanat                5.13
84=  kenavt                 0.00
62   Khabarovsk Krai        1.67
26   Kinstantia             6.65
84=  Kjoma Isles            0.00
27   Krytenia               6.50
22=  Kura-Pelland           8.00
64   Lanceo                 1.49
66=  Libertarian Governanc  1.25
25   Lovisa                 7.75
69   Lurikastan             1.00
84=  Mahaj                  0.00
82=  McPsychoville          0.13
81   Mount Kip              0.20
54   New Texxas             1.97
10   Newmanistan           16.25
72=  Norwellia              0.50
35   Oberour Ar Moro        4.65
15   Osarius               11.04
68   Palmouth               1.08
55=  Peisandros             1.92
77=  Profero                0.38
63   Prux                   1.50
14   Qazox                 14.00
72=  Quakmybush             0.50
28   Rennidan               6.25
36   Replica Union          4.59
29   San Giorgio a Cremano  5.90
13   Sarzonia              14.50
17   Scandavian States      9.67
6    Secristan             17.75
34   Sibirsky               5.08
24   Steroga                7.92
48=  StevePolis             2.50
43=  Swartaz                3.75
82=  SWYAT                  0.13
9    Taeshan               17.00
55=  Tatuape                1.92
65   Teinohikira            1.45
5    The Babbage Islands   17.94
16   The Fanboyists        11.00
51   The Mueritz            2.14
84=  Tinjko                 0.00
1    Tocrowkia             20.00
48=  Unified Beretania      2.50
47   United Gordontopia     2.70
79   Vartican               0.33
4    Vephrall              18.00
75=  Vistoria               0.40
42   Voltronica             3.95
84=  Weanhall               0.00
43=  West Newmanistan       3.75
30   Whittoria              5.80

[Whittoria]

World Bowl Ratings
Arroza formula, through World Bowl IX

Rnk  Nation                Rating
58=  A White Hawk           1.79
50   Acadianne              2.15
37=  Al-Mumtaz              4.45
41   Albundania             4.29
77=  Allanea                0.38
75=  Alpha-land             0.40
53   Ameriganistan          2.03
37=  Andrewboy              4.45
52   Antarctistan           2.04
12   Arroza                15.25
70=  Barbana                0.94
18   Barnettsville          9.30
32   Bavin                  5.15
80   Bettia                 0.25
2=   Bluth Corporation     19.00
7    Cassadaigua           17.50
39=  Ceruleo                4.35
20   Chetssaland            8.68
39=  Cheztope               4.35
58=  Christstan             1.79
46   Connar Republic        3.15
66=  Cordeleone             1.25
58=  Courezzia              1.79
8    Dancougar             17.25
58=  Danielturner           1.79
84=  Daschwich              0.00
11   Delaclava             15.79
55=  Delesa                 1.92
45   Docky                  3.34
84=  Ell-Oh-Ell             0.00
19   F1-Insanity            8.80
84=  Forza Motorsports      0.00
31   Free Austin            5.25
2=   Fujisawan Territories 19.00
21   German zerabithea      8.20
72=  Holy Marsh             0.50
22=  Iglesian Archipelago   8.00
70=  Jagada                 0.94
33   Jalanat                5.13
84=  kenavt                 0.00
62   Khabarovsk Krai        1.67
26   Kinstantia             6.65
84=  Kjoma Isles            0.00
27   Krytenia               6.50
22=  Kura-Pelland           8.00
64   Lanceo                 1.49
66=  Libertarian Governanc  1.25
25   Lovisa                 7.75
69   Lurikastan             1.00
84=  Mahaj                  0.00
82=  McPsychoville          0.13
81   Mount Kip              0.20
54   New Texxas             1.97
10   Newmanistan           16.25
72=  Norwellia              0.50
35   Oberour Ar Moro        4.65
15   Osarius               11.04
68   Palmouth               1.08
55=  Peisandros             1.92
77=  Profero                0.38
63   Prux                   1.50
14   Qazox                 14.00
72=  Quakmybush             0.50
28   Rennidan               6.25
36   Replica Union          4.59
29   San Giorgio a Cremano  5.90
13   Sarzonia              14.50
17   Scandavian States      9.67
6    Secristan             17.75
34   Sibirsky               5.08
24   Steroga                7.92
48=  StevePolis             2.50
43=  Swartaz                3.75
82=  SWYAT                  0.13
9    Taeshan               17.00
55=  Tatuape                1.92
65   Teinohikira            1.45
5    The Babbage Islands   17.94
16   The Fanboyists        11.00
51   The Mueritz            2.14
84=  Tinjko                 0.00
1    Tocrowkia             20.00
48=  Unified Beretania      2.50
47   United Gordontopia     2.70
79   Vartican               0.33
4    Vephrall              18.00
75=  Vistoria               0.40
42   Voltronica             3.95
84=  Weanhall               0.00
43=  West Newmanistan       3.75
30   Whittoria              5.80

dang, went from tied for 22nd to 30th. Nuts.

[Dancougar]

Thanks for calculating the rankings, Babbage. Expect a signup thread to magically appear sometime this weekend, probably Sunday.

Eighth for the Wings, eh? Oh man, great idea time :-D I just have to lose a bunch more games and faithfully cling to the glory days of old as the team slips further and further into mediocrity. Then I need some gold helmets and a mascot that does pushups, and then...

[Tocrowkia]

The first one that mentions the 'Kash Rule' in the new World Bowl gets a cookie. ^_^

[Qazox]

14th? Dammit...

Is it time to bring the Pheonix back into the 1980's and scrap the triple-option, again?

[Whittoria]

14th? Dammit...

Is it time to bring the Pheonix back into the 1980's and scrap the triple-option, again?

NO! The triple option must never die!