The World Bowl Discussion Thread (OOC)

by **New West Guiana** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 2:31 pm

For the decision whom should be the real BoI winner, the easiest solution would be to award the title to the runner up, but the fact that Quebec had already participated that in intself would be un-fair (and still cheating). The most fair way of doing this would be to render all of Quebec's wins null and void and re-scorinate the playoffs with the real winner of Group 6, which would be either Calitma, New Tebow, or Pathogeria.

by **Sicoutimont** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 4:17 pm

New West Guiana wrote:For the decision whom should be the real BoI winner, the easiest solution would be to award the title to the runner up, but the fact that Quebec had already participated that in intself would be un-fair (and still cheating). The most fair way of doing this would be to render all of Quebec's wins null and void and re-scorinate the playoffs with the real winner of Group 6, which would be either Calitma, New Tebow, or Pathogeria.

First of all, I apologize greatly for this inconvenience. I know Qazox said someone else should have checked, but I will accept the blame for it, given that I ran the tournament, and added Quebec to the list of signed up teams.

Secondly, we could simply have a playoff game between Minardi and Shadowbourne, the 2 teams beaten by Quebec in the playoffs, with the winner playing Birolika in the finals. As another option, we could simply move each competitor up 1 position, for example Birolika getting 1st place points, Minardi 2nd, Tyrants 3rd etc. However, like NWG said that would be un-fair to the nations of Calitma, New Tebow and Pathogeria, who each could have won Group 6 and advanced to the playoffs. I personnaly prefer the 1st option, but the 2nd one would be the most practical with the World Bowl starting in just a few days. Once again, I apologize greatly for this controversy.

EDIT: After checking back a few threads, I think I see where this all started. Quebec was entered into BoI 11, but did not RP once, potentially not knowing it took place. According to this post, that may be true, as they announced intent to sign up for both the World Bowl and BoI.

by **Michael VII** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 6:04 pm

So when I hosted the BoI, I accidentally had a team in it that wasn't supposed to be in it too, but crisis averted by them losing all their games.

Don't let it bother you much man, it was still a finely ran event, and I hope you bid to host the World Bowl too.

It seems that we could just declare this entire tournament null and void, or we could move everyone up a placing in the final standings, plus give every team who won against Quebec a win to their ranking points total, and move on.

I like my idea mainly because I don't want to wait too long to actually start this WB, otherwise I'll be scorinating this through the NSCF season again, which is another thing I host. This has taken quite a while to get through, so the sooner we start the WB itself, the more RPers we'll have I believe.

It really is just the Baptism of Iron, it's not as big as the Baptism of Fire, and the World Bowl tends to be nicer to new nations than the World Cup Qualifiers. We could just let this get behind us and get on with the big tournament. Just my opinion.

by **Civil Citizenry** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 6:24 pm

I believe that, much as the NCAA does in response to collegiate teams' violations, we should just vacate the position of first place. Everything stays the same - Birolika is runner-up and receives normal runner-up rank points, for example - but there just isn't a champion in the records and Québec receives no points for their participation. This way, nothing needs to be rescorinated, and everyone receives due credit for their RP efforts.

Qazox, I strongly suggest you calculate rank points for all teams who were on the previous rankings, but perhaps above a certain threshold (e.g. 1.00 points). Otherwise, teams who wish to return in the near future - such as Cassadaigua, perhaps - will be out of luck.

Frankly, we don't even need to play this WB. I've got championship #2 in the bag. Won't be long before future winners hoist the Boss Manning Trophy :twisted:

by **Qazox** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:42 pm

We could have Quebec be the winner; but not give them the ranking credit for the BoI and move everyone up accordingly. (which would too be honest the easiest for me to get the rankings done); But since they shouldn't have been in in the first place.. I don't know. I'll TG the WB President about it. The faster ASMV responds, the faster I can get rankings done.

by **Andossa Se Mitrin Vega** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:55 pm

Qazox wrote:We could have Quebec be the winner; but not give them the ranking credit for the BoI and move everyone up accordingly. (which would too be honest the easiest for me to get the rankings done); But since they shouldn't have been in in the first place.. I don't know. I'll TG the WB President about it. The faster ASMV responds, the faster I can get rankings done.

I was just catching up on things here when Qaz TGed me.

My personal thoughts would be that Quebec gets no bonus at all for participating in the BoI as all match wins and draws woul be vacated. For simplicity I would name Birolika champion with all benefits of the title and leave things at that point. It honestly does not matter if third place moves up to second and 4th moves up to third and so on as far as the rankings are concerned. As for the unfortunate groupmates of Quebec are concerned, I can only offer a simple apology. If this had been caught before the playoffs began we could have done something different.

That is my opinion.

Is Fanb/Al States Pres yet or is it still me? Just wondering.

by **Qazox** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:19 pm

Andossa Se Mitrin Vega wrote:
Qazox wrote:We could have Quebec be the winner; but not give them the ranking credit for the BoI and move everyone up accordingly. (which would too be honest the easiest for me to get the rankings done); But since they shouldn't have been in in the first place.. I don't know. I'll TG the WB President about it. The faster ASMV responds, the faster I can get rankings done.

I was just catching up on things here when Qaz TGed me.

My personal thoughts would be that Quebec gets no bonus at all for participating in the BoI as all match wins and draws woul be vacated. For simplicity I would name Birolika champion with all benefits of the title and leave things at that point. It honestly does not matter if third place moves up to second and 4th moves up to third and so on as far as the rankings are concerned. As for the unfortunate groupmates of Quebec are concerned, I can only offer a simple apology. If this had been caught before the playoffs began we could have done something different.

That is my opinion.

Is Fanb/Al States Pres yet or is it still me? Just wondering.

You are until the World Bowl Starts.

All right, been a long day today. But I'll have rankings up tommorrow before noon EST. Hope all had a good Turkey Day if in the US, if not.. hope you had a good Thursday.

by **The Royal Kingdom of Quebec** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:57 pm

Well,I forgot that I even signed up for the 11th of Baptism of Iron(which is why I didn't RP in BoI 11) until I read the latest posts on this thread(I often check the posts on this thread,for like once every day).....

I think that Québec should still have the Championship for winning it,but won't receive any ranking points for the BoI. I still won,but it's that rules are definitely rules and I will have to pay something for my mistake of breaking it.

And once again,I'm sorry for allowing this kind of mistake myself.
But, I also think that I was able to win my Group because I posted a roster and other three didn't do any RPing or posted any RPs.

by **Sarzonia** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:04 pm

I'd prefer vacating the win and having the team that lost the final be credited with the title and the rankings points. Plus, include a notation for what happened.

by **The Fanboyists** » Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:08 am

Sorry; I should have been more thorough in checking/vetting the BoI participants. That's my mistake, too.

My personal two-cents on this goes along with ASMV is thinking; simply have Quebec essentially vacate the wins and the championship, and make sure that there's no impact on their ranking, one way or another, while maybe adding one win (or perhaps drop one game from Quebec's groupmates' records for the purposes of calculating winning percentage, or maybe adding one tie?) and changing the ranking points assigned to all the various runners-up.

This is so not your fault, Sicoutimont. You ran a very smooth and well-managed tournament. Any of us really should have caught it (and in this case, it was my job, while updating the sign-ups, to catch it). So my apology for not catching that for you. I hope this won't discourage you from future hosting.

by **The Fanboyists** » Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:29 am

Civil Citizenry wrote:Frankly, we don't even need to play this WB. I've got championship #2 in the bag. Won't be long before future winners hoist the Boss Manning Trophy

See, it's funny, because *actually*, it'll be the Ryan Smart trophy after I win championship #3.

by **Qazox** » Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:53 am

Here is what I'm doing: Quebec is not getting any BoI points. Birolika is getting champion points, and 3rd/4th are getting 2nd/3rd place points. Quebec's 1st round opponent (Shadowbourne) and their group stage opponents are getting a win added to their record, and are getting their points adjusted accordingly. I should have the ranks done soon.

by **The Royal Kingdom of Quebec** » Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:02 am

Qazox wrote:Here is what I'm doing: Quebec is not getting any BoI points. Birolika is getting champion points, and 3rd/4th are getting 2nd/3rd place points. Quebec's 1st round opponent (Shadowbourne) and their group stage opponents are getting a win added to their record, and are getting their points adjusted accordingly. I should have the ranks done soon.

Ok. But I have a question. Will I still have the championship, will Birolika have it or be vacated for this edition?

by **Qazox** » Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:35 am

To 3 decimal places

If there is any signed-up nation I forgot; please let me know ASAP. Also: Riyahda was listed twice (from the OP of the sign-up thread).

EDITED IN:
Civil Citizenry: 23.846

by **Qazox** » Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:41 am

The Royal Kingdom of Quebec wrote:
Qazox wrote:Here is what I'm doing: Quebec is not getting any BoI points. Birolika is getting champion points, and 3rd/4th are getting 2nd/3rd place points. Quebec's 1st round opponent (Shadowbourne) and their group stage opponents are getting a win added to their record, and are getting their points adjusted accordingly. I should have the ranks done soon.

Ok. But I have a question. Will I still have the championship, will Birolika have it or be vacated for this edition?

Allamunnic States (who is the president)/ASMV (former Pres) basically have come out and said that you win is vacated and the Birolika is the winner.

And Quebec, if it was an honest mistake, which to me it seems to be; as I didn't remember you from the 11th BoI (and I did the wikipage for it) either. But it wouldn't be fair for you to have the "trophy" when all your wins got vacated (just like USC's last "national title"...). But to be honest you have more points from your appearance @ BoI 11 and WB17 than you would've gotten from BoI 12.

by **Free South Califas** » Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:50 am

Thanks for doing this, Qaz!

by **The Fanboyists** » Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:01 am

Qazox wrote:To 3 decimal places

-snipped by Fanboy for space-

If there is any signed-up nation I forgot; please let me know ASAP. Also: Riyahda was listed twice (from the OP of the sign-up thread).

I did not see Civil Citizenry on there (due probably to my snafu on the sign-ups list). And seeing as CC is not only participating, but is the defending champion, their ranking *might* have changed from last time.

And thank you for doing the rankings, Qaz. 'Tis much appreciated.

by **Qazox** » Fri Nov 23, 2012 11:32 am

Ya'll welcome. Just hope someone else will decide to maintain the ranks afterwards, but I'll do it if need be again.

by **Civil Citizenry** » Fri Nov 23, 2012 11:37 am

Thanks Qazox, although MVII will have to put them in numerical order to do the draw correctly. >_>

Looks like I just edge out Allamunnic for 1st. It wouldn't be smart to bet against another Explorers championship!

by **New West Guiana** » Fri Nov 23, 2012 11:42 am

Top to bottom rankings for those who are signed up.

by **The Fanboyists** » Fri Nov 23, 2012 12:51 pm

Civil Citizenry wrote:Thanks Qazox, although MVII will have to put them in numerical order to do the draw correctly. >_>

Looks like I just edge out Allamunnic for 1st. It wouldn't be smart to bet against another Explorers championship!

I distinctly recall having a *much* higher rating advantage over everyone else going into last World Bowl. With less than .01 of an advantage in that, I wouldn't be real confident about it. Back-to-backs are rare.

by **Taeshan** » Fri Nov 23, 2012 6:03 pm

119th to 15th in a cup....like a boss

by **New West Guiana** » Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:17 pm

Taeshan wrote:119th to 15th in a cup....like a boss

Mind you Qaz only did those who a signed-up. Take that 15th with an *.

by **Taeshan** » Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:30 pm

New West Guiana wrote:
Taeshan wrote:119th to 15th in a cup....like a boss

Mind you Qaz only did those who a signed-up. Take that 15th with an *.

Mutters something about winning World Bowl 0 well before you existed...3 years give or take.

by **New West Guiana** » Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:33 pm

Taeshan wrote:
New West Guiana wrote:Mind you Qaz only did those who a signed-up. Take that 15th with an *.

Mutters something about winning World Bowl 0 well before you existed...3 years give or take.

Now how many RP years would that be?

(Way back when....the wheel was first invented was it?)

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