The World Bowl Discussion Thread (OOC)

[Bluth Corporation]

Also: Since xkoranate does not generate tables when you tell it to simulate individual matches (rather than round-robin play), I had to manually update the tables to reflect the Rivalry Day results. This means, though I've taken great pains and been very careful to avoid it, that I might have made a mistake somewhere. If you see any discrepancies that affect playoff status, including seeding (a mistake that resulted in what should have been #5 and #6 switched with each other is not worth correcting, but switching #1 and #2 might be, since even though they both make the division championship regardless, correct tables from before the division championship are essential to make sure they are seeded properly in whichever seeding group they end up in), please let me know.

[Qazox]

I am working on the WB14 page. (half-way done with the groups)

BC, since WikiStates is your bailwick, anyway you can find a 32-team double-elimination bracket to use? I could get by with a 16-team one if there isn't a 32-team bracket availible. It would make the page a whole lot easier to complete! Thanks.

If anyone else can find one plese let me know!

[Voltronica]

Oh yeah. This is a D&S puppet.

Of course it'd be your puppy

Pouring fuel on the flames is not going to help.

*mixes gasoline into wine bottle with paper-mache gets lighter ready sees that TBI is looking at him and throws behind back*

Wut?

I am working on the WB14 page. (half-way done with the groups)

BC, since WikiStates is your bailwick, anyway you can find a 32-team double-elimination bracket to use? I could get by with a 16-team one if there isn't a 32-team bracket availible. It would make the page a whole lot easier to complete! Thanks.

If anyone else can find one plese let me know!

do you remember that build your own bracket website that we used for the basketball thread to make bets on? If you do i recommend that website...(i dont have the url handy though)

[Newmanistan]

I am working on the WB14 page. (half-way done with the groups)

BC, since WikiStates is your bailwick, anyway you can find a 32-team double-elimination bracket to use? I could get by with a 16-team one if there isn't a 32-team bracket availible. It would make the page a whole lot easier to complete! Thanks.

If anyone else can find one plese let me know!

do you remember that build your own bracket website that we used for the basketball thread to make bets on? If you do i recommend that website...(i dont have the url handy though)

You mean like this? I'm the one who's set these up.

32-team double elimination brackets can be done via this site as well. If I said my opinion of the site someone would mistake me for an adbot for it.

[Buffalostan]

I think it's unlikely Silver Beach will RP our game, so I want to make sure I get the overtime right. I am not very familiar with overtime rules.

We lost by 6 points in overtime; other teams lost by 7 and 3 points. The former implies that tries are attempted, so xkoranate must use college type overtime rather than NFL type overtime. So am I right in assuming that the only possible outcomes are:
- we started with the ball, failed to score a touchdown on our possession, and then they scored on their possession;
- we started with the ball and conceded a defensive touchdown on our possession;
- they started with the ball, scored a touchdown on their possession, failed the try, and then we failed to score on our possession?

Any help appreciated :)

[84733842]

A question for previous hosts: As explained in my bid, I simply added RP bonus directly to a team's strength rating coming in, modifying it daily to account for new RPs + decay over time of old bonus. Should I ever host this or a similar event in the future, are there other methods of accounting for RP bonus that will make situations such as Cosumar's less likely?

Margaret will always be Margaret. However, I have generally preferred non-decay to decay formulas in recent hosting efforts.

[Bluth Corporation]

I am working on the WB14 page. (half-way done with the groups)

BC, since WikiStates is your bailwick, anyway you can find a 32-team double-elimination bracket to use? I could get by with a 16-team one if there isn't a 32-team bracket availible. It would make the page a whole lot easier to complete! Thanks.

If anyone else can find one plese let me know!

I've looked and looked for one ever since I was selected as host, knowing you'd be wanting one

No luck, though.

While I don't have MW bracket templates, I have been planning to use some brackets I created in OO.org's spreadsheet to keep track of everything--my intention has been to post them on Google Docs. If I can figure out the bracketmaker website before it gets time to start the new tournament, though, I'll do that instead--since the double-elimination style does make it a bit more complicated to keep track of who's where in the tournament.

[Bluth Corporation]

I think it's unlikely Silver Beach will RP our game, so I want to make sure I get the overtime right. I am not very familiar with overtime rules.

We lost by 6 points in overtime; other teams lost by 7 and 3 points. The former implies that tries are attempted, so xkoranate must use college type overtime rather than NFL type overtime. So am I right in assuming that the only possible outcomes are:
- we started with the ball, failed to score a touchdown on our possession, and then they scored on their possession;
- we started with the ball and conceded a defensive touchdown on our possession;
- they started with the ball, scored a touchdown on their possession, failed the try, and then we failed to score on our possession?

Any help appreciated

I don't know if it's necessarily college-type, but it's certainly not sudden-death in the NFL style for precisely the reasons you indicated (no tries are attempted in sudden-death, since there's no point). It may be "play a full additional quarter until there's a winner, and if it's still tied keep going"--i.e. NFL-style but with no sudden death.

It could be that a full additional quarter was played, and during that quarter Silver Beach scored two field goals. I'll take a look at it when I get a chance this evening to see if I can figure out what it does--because I don't want to say it's definitely NCAA-style only to find, say, a 14-point OT win (which could not happen under NCAA rules) a couple of days later.

[The Fanboyists]

And once again, the Allamunnic gridiron team fails to level the score with a rival.

I swear, I have possibly the worst record against my old World Bowl 7 group. I had lost something like three straight to TBI before the QGI, I didn't beat Qazox until our fourth meeting, I'm like 2-5 against Cass (really? 14-0? Honestly Margie, you're killin' me here). The only exception is Tocrowkia, who I haven't played since and I'm 1-1 against. Overall, I don't think that I've beaten Qaz more than three times total, out of like eight times playing. Really, I have to stop playing games against you all. I also note that I'm the only one of our WB7 qualifying group that has not at least been to the finals since then.

[Whittoria]

Dammit.

Also, I RP'd it so that the officiating was awful.

Also also, anyone here ever read the book Malintzin's Choices?

[Qazox]

I am working on the WB14 page. (half-way done with the groups)

BC, since WikiStates is your bailwick, anyway you can find a 32-team double-elimination bracket to use? I could get by with a 16-team one if there isn't a 32-team bracket availible. It would make the page a whole lot easier to complete! Thanks.

If anyone else can find one plese let me know!

do you remember that build your own bracket website that we used for the basketball thread to make bets on? If you do i recommend that website...(i dont have the url handy though)

I'm in the need for a wikifyible of bracket. If worse comes to worse, i'll use it.

I've looked and looked for one ever since I was selected as host, knowing you'd be wanting one

No luck, though.
.

I'll see what i can find on Wikipedia proper. Maybe I can find it there.

[Bluth Corporation]

Rennidan: What would your team do if the Bluth Corporation World Bowl Committee immediately adopted minimum guidelines for protective equipment for the remainder of the tournament? ICly, it'd be fun to RP the fallout from this (and now I might actually have the time for it), but I don't want to do anything that might ICly disqualify your team unless (a) you're cool with it OOCly, or (b) your team would go along with it ICly.

[Commerce Heights]

To answer a few issues raised about xkoranate here:

• Ties counting as losses in win percentages is a bug. I intended to use this in sports like baseball and curling that don’t have ties, and didn’t think about how it would work in other sports. I’ll likely add both the common (W + ½ T) ÷ Pld formula and the NFL’s pre-1972 W ÷ (W + L) formula, in case anyone really wants the latter.
• I’ll probably add the ability to have overtime in group stages in the next version (and possibly allow NHL-style points values for overtime wins and losses).
• The American football files marked “IFAF overtime” should conduct overtime according to the NCAA rules adopted by IFAF. The files not marked thusly should conduct overtime according to the pre-2010 NFL postseason rules (i.e., the overtime score is always 3–0 or 6–0). There currently is no way to scorinate overtime according to either the current NFL regular-season rules (allowing ties after overtime) or the insane 2010 NFL postseason rules. I realize none of this is indicated very clearly, and will try to improve that.

[Qazox]

I couldn't find anything on Wikipedia that would work.

SO.. here's what I'm going to do.

I'll have the brackets up manually. Once the World Bowl is done, i'll use the bracketmaker to re-create the brackets and either put them up as a link or if possible make a pic of the brackets and upload them.

So if you do look on the Wikistates page; don't mind the mess under the playoff contents.

Also on the wikipage, I'll have corrected (for ties) win % for help in the next batch of rankings.

[Qazox]

World Bowl XIII wikipage is UP.

[Cosumar]

World Bowl XIII wikipage is UP.

Nice work man!

[Qazox]

World Bowl XIII wikipage is UP.

Nice work man!

Just throw the $20.00 into the tip jar...LOL. Thanks.

[Voltronica]

Pasternak Division
Bluth Corporation 10–10 Buffalostan (17–23 OT)

Chekhov Division
F1-Insanity 17–17 Voltronica (20–26 OT)

Solzhenitsyn Division
Sarzonia 0–3 Krytenia

These games must have been intense to watch and media fanfare...
woot were #2!...I'm not wholly sure if that's a good thing

[Osarius]

I couldn't find anything on Wikipedia that would work.

I found an eight-team dbl-elim bracket on wikipedia. I might be able to alter it to a 32-team bracket... I'll give it a shot later.

Should be as easy as extending both halves of the bracket four-fold (in theory) ... but because double-elim brackets are "unorthodox" we'll say, then it could be tricky.

[Sucrati]

Well, I appreciate my team actually getting in the place it did, a LOT better than last season's fiasco

[Rennidan]

Rennidan: What would your team do if the Bluth Corporation World Bowl Committee immediately adopted minimum guidelines for protective equipment for the remainder of the tournament? ICly, it'd be fun to RP the fallout from this (and now I might actually have the time for it), but I don't want to do anything that might ICly disqualify your team unless (a) you're cool with it OOCly, or (b) your team would go along with it ICly.

There'd certainly be a strong reaction. As Newmanistan pointed out, playing without pads is just how the game is back in Rennidan. They probably would go along with it ICly, but there'd be a big grudge held against the Bluth Corporation.

[Sibirsky]

14. Osarius (9-0-2, +115, 1-0-1 vs. Osarius)

Should say vs. Whittoria

[F1-Insanity]

Pasternak Division
Bluth Corporation 10–10 Buffalostan (17–23 OT)

Chekhov Division
F1-Insanity 17–17 Voltronica (20–26 OT)

Solzhenitsyn Division
Sarzonia 0–3 Krytenia

These games must have been intense to watch and media fanfare...
woot were #2!...I'm not wholly sure if that's a good thing

The officials are CHEATERS! TOTAL FRAUDS!

[Voltronica]

These games must have been intense to watch and media fanfare...
woot were #2!...I'm not wholly sure if that's a good thing

The officials are CHEATERS! TOTAL FRAUDS!

Hey I just noticed something here...would hose have been Double Overtimes and Triple overtimes?
But if you can only score 2,3,6 in an OT the BC Buff game could be PENTAKILL!

[Bluth Corporation]

Yeah, they're both at least double overtime.

Bluth vs. Buffalostan = 7+7 in one, then 0+6 (missed try--I'm using the IFAF rules, so if they implement the college rule that you must attempt a 2-point try beginning with the 3rd overtime then it would not be surprising that it failed) in another--and that's ignoring the possibility of overtime periods that might have resulted in no score for either team.

F1-Insanity vs. Voltronica = 3+3 in one, then 0+6 (again, missed try)