The World Bowl Discussion Thread (OOC)

by **Rennidan** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:07 pm

Are Rennidan still the losingest team in World Bowl history?

Also, I want to apologize for my eclectic roleplaying over the last chunk of World Bowls. I don't know why, as I used to absolutely adore throwing away some time here, but I haven't had the motivation to just jump in character lately. I don't know whether it's because my creative output is being channeled elsewhere (currently in my second year of a cinematography degree) or just because I'm a lazy git. Next World Bowl I'm definitely going to try and actually put something into the competition though, even I'm getting a bit fed up with signing up, making a roleplay (or none) and then just buggering off until the next World Bowl rolls around.

by **F1-Insanity** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 4:36 pm

Congratulations Delaclava... and we dropped to 5th in the rankings (no surprise

by **Whittoria** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 8:23 pm

Rennidan wrote:Also, I want to apologize for my eclectic roleplaying over the last chunk of World Bowls. I don't know why, as I used to absolutely adore throwing away some time here, but I haven't had the motivation to just jump in character lately. I don't know whether it's because my creative output is being channeled elsewhere (currently in my second year of a cinematography degree) or just because I'm a lazy git. Next World Bowl I'm definitely going to try and actually put something into the competition though, even I'm getting a bit fed up with signing up, making a roleplay (or none) and then just buggering off until the next World Bowl rolls around.

I know how you feel. I used to have some really good RP's every matchday (or they were long at least, I thought they were pretty good :lol:

), but it's like I've hit writer's block/lost motivation.

Then again, it's the same kind of feeling I had when I lost my passion for playing football, and wrestling, and track (all of which have since returned, interestingly enough); but I doubt I'm going to be leaving here anytime soon. Probably after I win a World Bowl or some other major competition.

by **Qazox** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 4:31 pm

The all-time records have been updated and separated into 4 categories for easier reference and added the Top 5 in Wins, win % and overall games.

by **Bluth Corporation** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 4:40 pm

I'd like to point out that, per section 5 of the recently-adopted amendment to the World Bowl Constitution, both the World Bowl President and Vice-President must assent to the additional obligations the amendment imposes upon them or it will not go into effect until after the next election (which will take place after WBXVI).

TBI has given his assent; The Fanboyists has yet to do so, to my knowledge.

by **Qazox** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 4:42 pm

Bluth Corporation wrote:I'd like to point out that, per section 5 of the recently-adopted amendment to the World Bowl Constitution, both the World Bowl President and Vice-President must assent to the additional obligations the amendment imposes upon them or it will not go into effect until after the next election (which will take place after WBXVI).

TBI has given his assent; The Fanboyists has yet to do so, to my knowledge.

Maybe.. AMS doesn't want it to go into effect before the next election... just throwing it out there.

by **Arroza** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:03 am

Qazox wrote:The all-time records have been updated and separated into 4 categories for easier reference and added the Top 5 in Wins, win % and overall games.

.002 off from being immortalized forever

by **Sarzonia** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:32 am

Great to see you again Arroza!

by **Cassadaigua** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:29 am

Bluth Corporation wrote:I'd like to point out that, per section 5 of the recently-adopted amendment to the World Bowl Constitution, both the World Bowl President and Vice-President must assent to the additional obligations the amendment imposes upon them or it will not go into effect until after the next election (which will take place after WBXVI).

TBI has given his assent; The Fanboyists has yet to do so, to my knowledge.

World Bowl Constitution wrote:
Duties of the World Bowl Committee President shall be:
-- Organizing votes for rule changes or changes to this World Bowl Committee document. Any desired change will need to be requested by three WBC members within a span of two weeks, if so, it will go to a vote. For it to become a change, it must pass via a 2/3rds majority.

Hold the phone for a second! :lol:

This should be subject to the 2/3rd rule, right?

It was approved by 8 of 14, which is not 2/3rds, so this should not be in effect!

by **Bluth Corporation** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:57 am

The issue as I see it is, whether or not the "blanks" are simply "abstentions" that do not count towards the total number of votes actually cast.

by **The Babbage Islands** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:08 am

Cassadaigua wrote:
Bluth Corporation wrote:I'd like to point out that, per section 5 of the recently-adopted amendment to the World Bowl Constitution, both the World Bowl President and Vice-President must assent to the additional obligations the amendment imposes upon them or it will not go into effect until after the next election (which will take place after WBXVI).

TBI has given his assent; The Fanboyists has yet to do so, to my knowledge.

World Bowl Constitution wrote:
Duties of the World Bowl Committee President shall be:
-- Organizing votes for rule changes or changes to this World Bowl Committee document. Any desired change will need to be requested by three WBC members within a span of two weeks, if so, it will go to a vote. For it to become a change, it must pass via a 2/3rds majority.

Hold the phone for a second!
This should be subject to the 2/3rd rule, right?

It was approved by 8 of 14, which is not 2/3rds, so this should not be in effect!

Yes, it should. There were 11 votes cast; an abstention or a blank ballot is not a vote. Eight is at least two-thirds of the 11 votes. Therefore, it passes.

by **Cassadaigua** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:12 am

The Babbage Islands wrote:
Yes, it should. There were 11 votes cast; an abstention or a blank ballot is not a vote. Eight is at least two-thirds of the 11 votes. Therefore, it passes.

I see this kind of thing as 2/3rds of total votes which would count the abstains but there are more important things to worry about, so roll with it!

by **Arroza** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:36 am

Sarzonia wrote:Great to see you again Arroza!

Gracias, I mainly came back to get a question answered about a couple of way too large projects I bit off, but it's good to know there are still some old heads about.

by **Qazox** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:56 am

Arroza wrote:
Qazox wrote:The all-time records have been updated and separated into 4 categories for easier reference and added the Top 5 in Wins, win % and overall games.

.002 off from being immortalized forever

Well if you come back.. you'd have a chance to get there.. or what until after WB16 and pray that I finish with a win percentace of .750 or less.

by **Delaclava** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:56 am

2nd title, 2nd best winning percentage of all time, 3rd best winning percentage in the playoff (including Yafor II, who was 3-1)...I rest my case as 2nd best team of all time.

by **Arroza** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:05 pm

Qazox wrote:
Arroza wrote:
.002 off from being immortalized forever

Well if you come back.. you'd have a chance to get there.. or what until after WB16 and pray that I finish with a win percentace of .750 or less.

Considering that a comeback would be marked with restarting from the bottom, I doubt I could ever get back to as high as I am right now.

by **Taeshan** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:27 pm

Delaclava wrote:2nd title, 2nd best winning percentage of all time, 3rd best winning percentage in the playoff (including Yafor II, who was 3-1)...I rest my case as 2nd best team of all time.

Would like to point out that he was the first best team of all time... (depending on how you look at it)

by **Weyr Sular** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:52 pm

Arroza wrote:
Qazox wrote:
Well if you come back.. you'd have a chance to get there.. or what until after WB16 and pray that I finish with a win percentace of .750 or less.

Considering that a comeback would be marked with restarting from the bottom, I doubt I could ever get back to as high as I am right now.

Well...you could go for an immortalized playoff "loser"...>.>

by **German Zerabithea** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:27 pm

... That link says that I have won 2 playoff games.

I only recall wining 1 (I.E from this bowl) Unless you are counting that division championship in WB XIII.

by **Delaclava** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:32 pm

German zerabithea wrote:... That link says that I have won 2 playoff games.

I only recall wining 1 (I.E from this bowl) Unless you are counting that division championship in WB XIII.

He is. I was 1 win short when I double-checked my record until I included that game.

by **Sarzonia** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:43 pm

The Babbage Islands wrote:Yes, it should. There were 11 votes cast; an abstention or a blank ballot is not a vote. Eight is at least two-thirds of the 11 votes. Therefore, it passes.

Where does it say in the constitution that a "vote" to be counted among the two-thirds majority must be either aye or nay?

If someone votes to abstain, that IS a vote, and it's neither in favour of nor against a proposal.

If that were the case, eight out of 14 votes would fail to pass.

by **Newmanistan** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:52 pm

For the record, I thought this was a "one or the other vote", so when I voted, I simply said which one I voted for. The one I voted for was the one that did not pass. That approval should not have been considered an abstain or a blank on the other, but rather a "no". I wonder now if it was.

Welcome back, Arroza!

by **Weyr Sular** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:31 pm

Sarzonia wrote:
The Babbage Islands wrote:Yes, it should. There were 11 votes cast; an abstention or a blank ballot is not a vote. Eight is at least two-thirds of the 11 votes. Therefore, it passes.

Where does it say in the constitution that a "vote" to be counted among the two-thirds majority must be either aye or nay?

If someone votes to abstain, that IS a vote, and it's neither in favour of nor against a proposal.

If that were the case, eight out of 14 votes would fail to pass.

Hmm...politics aside(considering I was against it in the 1st place). I do think Sarzonia has a point as well as TBI.

A) 14 members does equal 14 votes. 8/14 < 2/3 Fail.
B) There were only 11 votes submitted. 8/11 > 2/3. Pass.

Both stances are right and both stances are wrong. However, what does the WB Constitution say about how votes are counted or what the "correct" total should be? The full member list or the full list of participating votes on an issue?

d) Voting for a World Bowl host shall be restricted to be members of the WBC.
e) The World Bowl Committee will have a President that will be the spokesperson for the competition during their tenure, which will last three World Bowl Cycles. Once the World Bowl Committee is officially formed, nominations for the President can be made on this thread by WBC members. Any person receiving two nominations will be put in a vote. The winner of the vote is elected President, and the second place finisher shall serve as the vice-president. Only WBC members may vote.
f) ~~Amendments to this document need to be requested by three WBC members within a span of two weeks.~~ If so, it will go to a vote and must be passed by a 2/3rds majority.

The non strike-out portion pertains to the situation.

D says that the valid votes shall be restricted to the members of the WBC. That is inclusive of all eligible members.

E says that only WBC members are allowed to vote.

Now for the tricky part F.

F asks for a 2/3rds majority but of what exactly? This is where the implied bylaw of only allowing WBC members to vote (E) as well as a statement that requires the "whole" of the WBC to be counted. So...through this we can see how the amendment was never truly passed because the "WHOLE" of the WBC was not included in the voting process.

by **Bluth Corporation** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:17 pm

Furthermore, is that 2/3 of all votes cast or 2/3 of all members?

According to TBI's post in the World Bowl info thread, there were 19 members of the World Bowl Committee when the vote took place.

by **Qazox** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:34 pm

As I stated earlier in this thread... the Vice President (Allamunic States) has YET to assent to the provisions contained within section 5, meaning the 2/3rds vote arguement practictally means nothing UNTIL the assention of Allamunic States.
My interpretation is 2/3rds of the TOTAL number of votes counted. So 8/14 votes means Section 5 shouldn't even matter, even if Allamunnic States assents.

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