Nationstates Olympic Games Discussion Thread

[Lymantatia]

I know.

Then why did you ask?

You see, it was the beginning of the year when I signed up for the Winter Youth Games. When they started, I thought the games were gonna be successful, but problems stopped the games from being successful. Euski's Winter Youth Games may've been a pain-in-the-neck, but my Winter Youth Games will become successful.

[Liventia]

I repeat. This is NOT the place for Youth Games discussion.

[Shofercia]

The Youth Games is not the concern of the NationStates Olympic Council, and as long as you do not refer to it using the "Olympic" term, it is not our concern and should not be discussed in this thread.

/Official Council Vice-Presidential statement

I know.

I mean, it's not like your goal is to get rid of me forever.

Liv's Goal is to ensure that Olympic related discussion take place during certain times, that's his job. When the bids are in, and the voting's on, we should only be discussing the Olympic Bids, and not other stuff, for which we have the rest of the year! Well except for the Summer Olympics

Additionally, the Olympic Council ruled that Youth Games can't use the Olympic term. Thus, you're free to host them, although I don't recommend hosting anything while the Olympics are ongoing.

Seriously guys, does no one have any questions about the bids? I don't, because I've done this before, and both contestants submitted very nice bids, but if you're thinking about getting Olympic-participation advice, this is the place to ask! Especially if you're a newbie. Just keep your questions bid related.

[Krytenia]

OK, this is your 24-hour notice on the close of voting, which will now close at 23:59 UTC tomorrow, rather than at 05:40 as previously stated.

List of those who have not voted will appear here in a few minutes.

[Krytenia]

VOTING IS NOW CLOSED.

Results will appear shortly.

[Lymantatia]

VOTING IS NOW CLOSED.

Results will appear shortly.

I hope Qaz wins.

[Krytenia]

VOTING IS NOW CLOSED.

Results will appear shortly.

I hope Qaz wins.

Didn't hope enough to vote though.

Also, results.

[Qazox]

Tip o'the cap to Liventia. Have a good job hosting.

[Krytenia]

Next order of business:

I’m in favor of that change, but if we’re going to do that, I think we should eliminate the “minor pragmatic changes” clause and say that the list of medal events should conform 100% to the base list except for the changes permitted by the extended list. My proposed wording would be:

1.3.2. Responsibilities
The President is responsible for:
…

• Identifying the most recent confirmed lists of real-life Olympic events—the “base list”—and acceptable additions to and omissions from that list (e.g., additions or omissions to be made for the next real-life Olympics, or additions for gender equality)—the “extended list.”

…

2.2. Choice of sports
The Olympic Winter Games shall contain only sports contested on snow or ice, while the Games of the Olympiad shall contain only sports not contested on snow or ice. All Games must include all of the sports and events on the base list identified by the President, with no additions or omissions except as permitted by the extended list. Any additions or omissions must be identified in a hosting bid. No restriction is made on the inclusion of demonstration sports and events for which medals are not awarded.

There is currently one second for this proposal (Liventia). Thoughts?

[Free South Califas]

Congrats Liventia.

Next order of business:

I’m in favor of that change, but if we’re going to do that, I think we should eliminate the “minor pragmatic changes” clause and say that the list of medal events should conform 100% to the base list except for the changes permitted by the extended list. My proposed wording would be:

1.3.2. Responsibilities
The President is responsible for:
…

• Identifying the most recent confirmed lists of real-life Olympic events—the “base list”—and acceptable additions to and omissions from that list (e.g., additions or omissions to be made for the next real-life Olympics, or additions for gender equality)—the “extended list.”

…

2.2. Choice of sports
The Olympic Winter Games shall contain only sports contested on snow or ice, while the Games of the Olympiad shall contain only sports not contested on snow or ice. All Games must include all of the sports and events on the base list identified by the President, with no additions or omissions except as permitted by the extended list. Any additions or omissions must be identified in a hosting bid. No restriction is made on the inclusion of demonstration sports and events for which medals are not awarded.

There is currently one second for this proposal (Liventia). Thoughts?

I'll third it, FWIW.

[Lymantatia]

Congrats Liventia.

Next order of business:

There is currently one second for this proposal (Liventia). Thoughts?

I'll third it, FWIW.

I won't agree with it, not because it's not fair, because IDK what FWIW is.

[Krytenia]

Lymantatia: Do you have something actually relevant to bring to the table? If not, kindly stop posting. Ta much.

[Kelssek]

I think it would be much clearer if it read, "Any such additions or omissions must be identified in a hosting bid."

[Commerce Heights]

I think it would be much clearer if it read, "Any such additions or omissions must be identified in a hosting bid."

Yes, it would be.

[Qazox]

It might help if the definition of the base list was made clearer to what that list actually is and what is on said list.

[Liventia]

It might help if the definition of the base list was made clearer to what that list actually is and what is on said list.

The "base list" is already defined in another section of the Olympic Charter: "the most recent confirmed lists of real-life Olympic events".
The full lists can be found in the Olympic announcements thread.

[Qazox]

It might help if the definition of the base list was made clearer to what that list actually is and what is on said list.

The "base list" is already defined in another section of the Olympic Charter: "the most recent confirmed lists of real-life Olympic events".
The full lists can be found in the Olympic announcements thread.

I hope that answer helps any newer voters.

I'll 4th? Liventia's propsal.

[Thatius]

Congrats Liventia. Looking forward to another Winter Olympic Games.

[Shofercia]

I hope Qaz wins.

Didn't hope enough to vote though.

Ouch!


On a more serious note, I'm a bit confused by the following wording: All Games must include all of the sports and events on the base list identified by the President, with no additions or omissions except as permitted by the extended list.

The way I understand it, is that the base list is the list of events held in Vancouver in 2010, and the expanded list is the list of events planned in Sochi in 2014, and the gender-neutral additions to the list. The host must include the base list events, but can also include events from the extended list. If that's the case, how can any event be omitted? I can see how one could add an event from the extended list to the base list, while he's hosting the Olympics, but how can someone omit an event?

Also, Congratulations Liventia! You wrote a very nice bid, and have great hosting experience, so I'm looking forward to it!

[Soviet Canuckistan]

What's the procedure for submitting a demonstration sport?

[Vettrera]

Im looking forward to my first Olympics!
(once I find time to make a complete sign up)

[Shofercia]

What's the procedure for submitting a demonstration sport?

Demonstration events

Demonstration events may be proposed, but will only be held if there are sufficient numbers. Additionally, each proposer must be prepared to scorinate their proposed event.

Criteria:
The sport is a winter sport. If it is not clear, an explanation of how the sport would not be considered "summer" should be given.
A list of events for the sport, including by gender, distance, or any other relevant category, is provided.
A brief explanation of the competition format that should be used. This can take the form of a reference to a real-life competition (a link to information should be provided unless the format follows that of an Olympic event), or a detailed explanation if the sport requires some unique format.
The maximum number of individuals or teams that each nation can enter in each event, and, for team events, the size of the team.

You should enter proposed demonstration events if you wish to; these entries do not count towards your total (and as such, skill modifiers should be self-contained).
PROPOSED DEMONSTRATION EVENTS

WINTER PENTATHLON
Men's individual, one day (3)
Men's individual, two day (3)
Women's individual, one day (3)
Women's individual, two day (3)

BIATHLON
Mixed 2×6 km + 2×7.5 km Relay (1 team of 4)

Examples:

The Krytenian Olympic Committee puts forward winter pentathlon to be a demonstration event, with both the single-day "Ashton" and two-day "Ad'ihan" disciplines held.

In other words:

WINTER PENTATHLON
Men's individual, one day (3)
Men's individual, two day (3)
Women's individual, one day (3)
Women's individual, two day (3)

Although the members of the Paripana Sporting Council will submit their delegations at a later time, they have reached a consensus to propose the inclusion of a mixed biathlon relay, with teams composed of two women and two men, as a demonstration event.

BIATHLON
Mixed 2×6 km + 2×7.5 km Relay (1 team of 4)

Additionally, you have to explain how it will be scorinated, and how to RP the rules for your sport, unless you're proposed Demonstration Sports were previously held.

[Liventia]

Also, as proposers must be prepared to scorinate their own events, unless people have prior history of successful scorinations I'm unlikely to even list their proposals on the post unless someone else who has such history is willing to scorinate it.

[Shadowbourne]

Was wondering what everyone thought about the inclusion of bandy as a demonstration sport.

Here is my proposal:

Shadowbourne's Department of Athletics would like to propose the inclusion of both men's and women's Bandy in the Games.

BANDY
Men's (1 team)
Women's (1 team)

OOC: Although bandy was the demonstration sport at the VI Olympic Winter Games in 1952 (Oslo, Norway), and is IOC accepted,it has not become an official Olympic sport. At 2014 Winter Olympics bandy will presented within the cultural programme and the international federation is trying become a full medal sport in Pyeongchang 2018. RPing the sport should be easy enough; bandy is pretty similar to hockey, and would be RP'd in a similar manner. The sport is included in xkoranate.

[Maklohi Vai]

Was wondering what everyone thought about the inclusion of bandy as a demonstration sport.

Here is my proposal:

Shadowbourne's Department of Athletics would like to propose the inclusion of both men's and women's Bandy in the Games.

BANDY
Men's (1 team)
Women's (1 team)

OOC: Although bandy was the demonstration sport at the VI Olympic Winter Games in 1952 (Oslo, Norway), and is IOC accepted,it has not become an official Olympic sport. At 2014 Winter Olympics bandy will presented within the cultural programme and the international federation is trying become a full medal sport in Pyeongchang 2018. RPing the sport should be easy enough; bandy is pretty similar to hockey, and would be RP'd in a similar manner. The sport is included in xkoranate.

Sounds good, but could we have a bit more of an explanation of it?