Nationstates Olympic Games Discussion Thread

[Liventia]

You're quite mistaken there – see Krytenia's post and my post about Summer events relating to that. The events will not be added to the base list while he is President and I am vice-President until they actually occur. So yeah, check your facts before presenting them as accurate in a bid. It might help.

I stand corrected on the no discussion since my question, but according to your own post:

A prospective host may, if he declares such in his bid, include both sports as medal events.

I assumed that response would be applicable to the Winter Games as well, or am I being mistaken?

That is correct; you may indeed choose to include them as medal events as long as you mention it in your bid (which you have). My question was, however, you said that you would not include them if an NSOC vote said they didn't want these events. There are no provisions for such a vote; so how do you intend to hold this vote?

IC questions:
#1- The Legacy? That Qazox hosted an Olympics.

Thank you for your response. And about this question.... I was looking for an IC deeper view about the subject.

Have you ever watched a RL Olympic Bid? Legacy's a very important part. It's not just about "We'll host and that's great"; it's about the real meaning of the event. It's not like "we'll do it 'cause we want"... Not that shallow.

Then answer this, "What's good in Qazox hosting an Olympics? (Environmentally, socially, economically, etc.)"

Euski, with all due respect. I hope that the in-character-related answers do not affect who you vote for. People should be voting for who can do the job OOCly as a host, not whatever IC promises they make.

[Euskirribakondara]

Euski, with all due respect. I hope that the in-character-related answers do not affect who you vote for. People should be voting for who can do the job OOCly as a host, not whatever IC promises they make.

Oh no... I actually make them in order to have a more solid data basis for RPing. Of course they won't affect my choice (since said choice is heavily based in the OOC ability), but they allow me have a better insight about where we'll be competing; and that's better (for me) when I'm RPing.

[Qazox]

IC questions:
#1- The Legacy? That Qazox hosted an Olympics.

Thank you for your response. And about this question.... I was looking for an IC deeper view about the subject.

Have you ever watched a RL Olympic Bid? Legacy's a very important part. It's not just about "We'll host and that's great"; it's about the real meaning of the event. It's not like "we'll do it 'cause we want"... Not that shallow.

Then answer this, "What's good in Qazox hosting an Olympics? (Environmentally, socially, economically, etc.)"

The Olympics will bring in over $3.4 billion to the economy of a region in Qazox that is finally reviving since the silver mines closed 90+ years ago. Until recently (15-20 years), the region was one of the poorer in Qazox, but with Qazox' economy recovering from a 40-year depression, and the tax breaks given by Gothika and St. Nash, businesses and tourists have helped spark a new-boom in the area. Ski resorts used to only be located in the western part of Qazox, as many thought due to the silver mines, the eastern mountains were too polluted to be recoverable. But having proven that assumption wrong, the St. Nash/Gothika area, longa forgotten part of Qazox, would like to prove that they can become a truly global region.

[Qazox]

I stand corrected on the no discussion since my question, but according to your own post:

I assumed that response would be applicable to the Winter Games as well, or am I being mistaken?

That is correct; you may indeed choose to include them as medal events as long as you mention it in your bid (which you have). My question was, however, you said that you would not include them if an NSOC vote said they didn't want these events. There are no provisions for such a vote; so how do you intend to hold this vote?

Long version: I would assume that if there was enough people who didn't think that those events should be used; that one or more would put forth an admendment asking for those events not to be held, and to have a vote about that admendment. I only mentioned not including them, in the unlikely case that someone wanted to have a vote on an admendment about including those events. Basically I was trying to cover my ass, just in case that happened, so that no one would be able to hold it against the bid for not having stated so, just in case that happened.

Short version: I included an out for an highly unlikely event, just in case that event occurs.

[Liventia]

I would suggest removing that part of your bid (the votes) then. Either have these events in as medal events as a part of your bid, or not at all. No middle "well they're in unless they're not" ground. (This isn't an official ruling, but how I think this situation would be best handled, saving us layers of bureaucracy.)

[Qazox]

I would suggest removing that part of your bid (the votes) then. Either have these events in as medal events as a part of your bid, or not at all. No middle "well they're in unless they're not" ground. (This isn't an official ruling, but how I think this situation would be best handled, saving us layers of bureaucracy.)

I would not have a problem doing that, just was trying to pre-emptively cover my ass.

[Commerce Heights]

If xkoranate doesn't have those events added to it by the time the games start; I will use the closest applicable event to scorinate them. (ie: Snowboarding half-pipe for ski half-pipe; Men's ski jumping for Women's ski jumping).

What will you use for the biathlon mixed relay, and snowboarding slopestyle and parallel slalom?

The Figure Skating team and Luge Team relay are easy, as they'd just involve the best times/scores from each individual event in each disicipline (which would be simmed separately from the individual/pairs competitions).

Can you elaborate on this? I’m not sure I understand what you mean.

[Qazox]

If xkoranate doesn't have those events added to it by the time the games start; I will use the closest applicable event to scorinate them. (ie: Snowboarding half-pipe for ski half-pipe; Men's ski jumping for Women's ski jumping).

What will you use for the biathlon mixed relay, and snowboarding slopestyle and parallel slalom?

The Figure Skating team and Luge Team relay are easy, as they'd just involve the best times/scores from each individual event in each disicipline (which would be simmed separately from the individual/pairs competitions).

Can you elaborate on this? I’m not sure I understand what you mean.

#1- The Biathlon mixed relay would be scorinated by combining the times of the women's and men's relay. Slopestyle would be scorinated by combining the Aerials and Moguls scores (As slopestyle combines both elements). Skiing parallel slalom will use snowboarding's parallel slalom.

#2- For the Figure skating team, (1 male, 1 female, 1 dance and 1 pair) I would simply scorinate one round of men's, women's, 1 dance and pair's and add them to get the final score, as that is what they will be doing in Sochi, as far as I have found out about. Luge team relay will have 1 man, 1 woman and 1 pair, and be scorinated similar to the Figure Skating team.

[Vulshain]

When are the olympics starting and when do I have to have my entries in?

[Shofercia]

When are the olympics starting and when do I have to have my entries in?

That depends on who wins the bid.

[Krytenia]

I would suggest removing that part of your bid (the votes) then. Either have these events in as medal events as a part of your bid, or not at all. No middle "well they're in unless they're not" ground. (This isn't an official ruling, but how I think this situation would be best handled, saving us layers of bureaucracy.)

Actually, it is an official ruling (now).

Qazox: If they're medal events, say so. The NSOC will not be voting on inclusion of these events as they are host discretionary rather than on the official list. I would also suggest showing some workings for the technical-minded with regards to the xkoranate files for the additional events (though this is not required, of course).

[Qazox]

I would suggest removing that part of your bid (the votes) then. Either have these events in as medal events as a part of your bid, or not at all. No middle "well they're in unless they're not" ground. (This isn't an official ruling, but how I think this situation would be best handled, saving us layers of bureaucracy.)

Actually, it is an official ruling (now).

Qazox: If they're medal events, say so. The NSOC will not be voting on inclusion of these events as they are host discretionary rather than on the official list. I would also suggest showing some workings for the technical-minded with regards to the xkoranate files for the additional events (though this is not required, of course).

I have changed my bid to reflect that I will include those events. And I'm not that tech-minded enough to tinker with xkoranate to "show some workings", sorry. I do believe my answer to CH fully explains how I will scorinate those events.

[Silkjd]

I would like to join the NS Olympic Games.

[Soviet Canuckistan]

I would like to join the NS Olympic Games.

Wait for the signups to open in a month or two.

[Liventia]

I'm expecting host bids up until about a week or two before Christmas.

Kry's not been on in six days, but regardless of his level of activity, this is about the timeframe other potential bidders should be working to as well. If I am the one who ends up organising the vote, I will look to have them open from the week of the 17th, which gives any other bidder TWO WEEKS from today to finalise their bids.

[Krytenia]

Your Olympic President returns!

Deadline for bids to be submitted will be 23:59 GMT/UTC on Wednesday, December 19th. Voting will open within twelve hours or so of that time, and will close at 05:40GMT/UTC on Saturday, December 29.

And yes, there is reasoning for the unusual timing of the vote closing. Feel free to speculate as to why.

[Qazox]

Your Olympic President returns!

Deadline for bids to be submitted will be 23:59 GMT/UTC on Wednesday, December 19th. Voting will open within twelve hours or so of that time, and will close at 05:40GMT/UTC on Saturday, December 29.

And yes, there is reasoning for the unusual timing of the vote closing. Feel free to speculate as to why.

You're getting married on the 20th and won't be back from the honeymoon until the 29th? (i do know the real reason... but won't spoil the suprise for those that don't know "cough mayans cough")

[Kington Langley]

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[Kelssek]

Testing the waters here: I'd like to see if there is any consensus (or at least no overwhelming objection) on amending the Charter to explicitly rule out holding, as a medal event, any event not on the official lists.

We've had this discussion before (the latest round was back in May/June, I believe), and I believe that consistency with the real-life event is important to the integrity of the Nationstates event. The upcoming host vote would also be a good opportunity to put such an amendment on the ballot.

EDIT:

Specifically, my proposal would be to amend subsection 2.2 to read:

2.2. Choice of sports

2.2.1. The Olympic Winter Games shall contain only sports contested on snow or ice, while the Games of the Olympiad shall contain only sports not contested on snow or ice.

2.2.2. All Games must include the sports on the base list identified by the President, and must also include all events from that list, excepting minor pragmatic changes (e.g., reduction of weight classes). The Games may also include events from the extended list. All removals or alterations from the base list must be identified in the hosting bid, and approved by the President.

2.2.3. Events which are not on either the base list or the extended list may not be included as medal events in the Games.

2.2.4. No restriction is made on the inclusion of demonstration sports and events for which medals are not awarded.

[Qazox]

It doesn't seem to be a big change to the existing rule, but an extended clarification right?

[Commerce Heights]

I’m in favor of that change, but if we’re going to do that, I think we should eliminate the “minor pragmatic changes” clause and say that the list of medal events should conform 100% to the base list except for the changes permitted by the extended list. My proposed wording would be:

1.3.2. Responsibilities
The President is responsible for:
…

• Identifying the most recent confirmed lists of real-life Olympic events—the “base list”—and acceptable additions to and omissions from that list (e.g., additions or omissions to be made for the next real-life Olympics, or additions for gender equality)—the “extended list.”

…

2.2. Choice of sports
The Olympic Winter Games shall contain only sports contested on snow or ice, while the Games of the Olympiad shall contain only sports not contested on snow or ice. All Games must include all of the sports and events on the base list identified by the President, with no additions or omissions except as permitted by the extended list. Any additions or omissions must be identified in a hosting bid. No restriction is made on the inclusion of demonstration sports and events for which medals are not awarded.

I’d also like to ask who Krytenia has appointed to the Executive Committee, in case the upcoming host vote ends in a tie.

[Liventia]

I would be in favour of such an amendment.

Also, as an aside – to prepare for my Summer Games bid, and with Krytenia back and able to run the host vote, I intend to bid again for the upcoming Winter Olympics. Expect a bid ready in the next week.

[Krytenia]

I’d also like to ask who Krytenia has appointed to the Executive Committee, in case the upcoming host vote ends in a tie.

Now I'm not sure, as the list is not up-to-date, but I believe CH's own membership of the ExCo has lapsed. If this is the case then Commerce Heights will be the nominee. If this is not the case, then I shall nominate Civil Citizenry.

[Lawliet Land]

2.2.1. The Olympic Winter Games shall contain only sports contested on snow or ice, while the Games of the Olympiad shall contain only sports not contested on snow or ice.

2.2.2. All Games must include the sports on the base list identified by the President, and must also include all events from that list, excepting minor pragmatic changes (e.g., reduction of weight classes). The Games may also include events from the extended list. All removals or alterations from the base list must be identified in the hosting bid, and approved by the President.

2.2.3. Events which are not on either the base list or the extended list may not be included as medal events in the Games.

2.2.4. No restriction is made on the inclusion of demonstration sports and events for which medals are not awarded.

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I agree.