Nationstates Olympic Games Discussion Thread

[Liventia]

Nope, I have been thinking of qualifications forever to be honest.

And your way sounds like "I don't like change because the current system benefits me."

How does it benefit me? Until the last Summer Olympics I hardly even won more than five medals.

[Commerce Heights]

Why not... why put such a huge burden on the host(s), or force co-hosting to be the only real option. I mean, for christ's sake, the numbers are only going up and up and up and up with the number of nations participating. I can almost gurantee with 100% accuracy that half of the participating nations at these games will not do a single RP, and that some will go inactive during the games. What is the point of this? Why put such a lage, idiotic burden on the host(s)? I think it is necessary.

Running qualifying competitions with all the competitors is not any easier than running the Games proper with all the competitors. Even if several qualifying competitions are run by several different people, they have to be coördinated, and if those several people can manage that, then they can put in a joint bid for the Games proper.

[Thatius]

Nope, I have been thinking of qualifications forever to be honest.

And your way sounds like "I don't like change because the current system benefits me."

How does it benefit me?

Well I find that the same main nations win a lot. Shall we compare the medal tables of the past Olympic Games? You will find that most nations in the top are repeats. Yes, everyone is given .5 as their average, some use that to maximize their teams, but it seems that even those who's teams are maximized have no chance.

Just my thoughts, because it seems to plague a lot of sports...oh well.

[Commerce Heights]

Well I find that the same main nations win a lot. Shall we compare the medal tables of the past Olympic Games? You will find that most nations in the top are repeats. Yes, everyone is given .5 as their average, some use that to maximize their teams, but it seems that even those who's teams are maximized have no chance.

Most of the people who take the time to enter a large number of events end up sticking around to do the same in the next Games.

[Liventia]

And these are usually the people who RP. And that goes back to refute the original point.

[Bergnovinaia]

How does it benefit me?

Well I find that the same main nations win a lot. Shall we compare the medal tables of the past Olympic Games? You will find that most nations in the top are repeats. Yes, everyone is given .5 as their average, some use that to maximize their teams, but it seems that even those who's teams are maximized have no chance.

Just my thoughts, because it seems to plague a lot of sports...oh well.

Yeah. I was honestly amazed to be leading the Ashton medal tables for a long period of time, anf finishing in 4th place, considering it was my third Olympics...

[Bergnovinaia]

And these are usually the people who RP. And that goes back to refute the original point.

Which is invalid, considering NS is growing and an exponential rate which means the level of newbies flocking to NS sports will also do the same.

[Liventia]

And these are usually the people who RP. And that goes back to refute the original point.

Which is invalid, considering NS is growing and an exponential rate which means the level of newbies flocking to NS sports will also do the same.

But where is your empirical evidence of that? Your argument is based on a hypothesis and not established fact. This is a solution looking for a non-existent problem.

You've also not addressed the point that there are people who do not participate in other competitions for good reasons. It is incorrigible to penalise them for refusing to do so, and it is likewise unacceptable to force people to take part in them just to "qualify" for the Olympics.

[Thatius]

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[Cotdelapoms]

Also, I feel like some nations who have never sent players to another event for that sport and beat someone else at it is quite odd...like they've never participated in the World Cup, World Bowl, etc.

I often have a hard time with these sorts of problems within the NS canon, but ultimately you just need to suspend your disbelief. We also have high ranking teams made up of bears, dwarves, elves, et cetera, which are pretty unrealistic- moreso than the idea that someone could just show up in the Olympics and beat teams/players who are previously world champions.

[Liventia]

^ few posts above

Not really. My original point was that people entered into sports that they had never really participated in before. Yes, they might be an active nation in another sporting category, but not in a sport that they seem to have ever participated in. I mean, upsets are great, but when everything is an upset, it's kind of weird.

Taking tennis into account again because that's the first sport in which more than two athletes took part in. Sarzonia/Delaclava are very active in tennis. So is Bergnovinaia, Civil Citizenry, and Cosumar. Yet Cosumar's players are eliminated, and Civil Citizenry and Delaclava have only one player left each in the draw. But when I do the tally I find nations like Kernansquillec, Mytannion, Sargossa, and Mesoland have each two players in the draw still, yet I have never seen them enter a tennis tournament. And there are 8 of the 17 nations on the medal table have at least one player in the draw still. Yet I see nations who are very active in the tennis field who are eliminated completely or have one player left.

That's Margaret. Randomness still plays a role. Plus, unless all the "regular" tennis nations put all their players down for a 1.0, I don't see how it's a valid argument, really.

[Thatius]

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[Vulshain]

I hope I win some medals. You would think that my athletes in swimming would be winning since they're some of my best players.

Also, did you see my last RP post where my own news announcer is begging my athletes to win a medal!? I bet you don't see that everyday.

[Liventia]

Never mind this damn argument anyways. It's stupid that I would be complaining about trying to alter something that's been going on for a long time, and if I lose, I lose. Besides, I'm here to have fun and RP. But everything on NS is an uphill fight to at least achieve something. This is turning out to be like EVE, where veterans have the advantage. Ah, well.

I have some sympathy for your point of view because I've held it in the past. Your argument is different from Berg's, which just seems to be "the Olympics is too huge". However, I still think that ultimately, the Olympics should be treated as a separate competition. There's nothing stopping you from RPing the "non-tennis" nations as simply boycotting the ITA, but still having really good players, for example.

[Thatius]

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[Kelssek]

This is turning out to be like EVE, where veterans have the advantage. Ah, well.

Actually, the Olympics are probably the only big NS Sport event where previous performance has no bearing on the results (that is, no ranking bonuses). Everyone starts off on an equal footing every Olympics.

And for once I'm in total agreement with Liventia, regarding the whole qualifications idea.

[Bergnovinaia]

Never mind this damn argument anyways. It's stupid that I would be complaining about trying to alter something that's been going on for a long time, and if I lose, I lose. Besides, I'm here to have fun and RP. But everything on NS is an uphill fight to at least achieve something. This is turning out to be like EVE, where veterans have the advantage. Ah, well.

I have some sympathy for your point of view because I've held it in the past. Your argument is different from Berg's, which just seems to be "the Olympics is too huge". However, I still think that ultimately, the Olympics should be treated as a separate competition. There's nothing stopping you from RPing the "non-tennis" nations as simply boycotting the ITA, but still having really good players, for example.

That's not my arguement at all. Heck. I am for a big Olympics. It makes RPing more fun, and winning more spectactular.

I am thinking of the poor poster (and now excel slave) that is the host of these games, and all games to come. I mean, come on. Think of the children, or rather grown-ups with excel programmes on their laptobs, furiously chugging away at entering scores.

[Cosumar]

I have some sympathy for your point of view because I've held it in the past. Your argument is different from Berg's, which just seems to be "the Olympics is too huge". However, I still think that ultimately, the Olympics should be treated as a separate competition. There's nothing stopping you from RPing the "non-tennis" nations as simply boycotting the ITA, but still having really good players, for example.

That's not my arguement at all. Heck. I am for a big Olympics. It makes RPing more fun, and winning more spectactular.

I am thinking of the poor poster (and now excel slave) that is the host of these games, and all games to come. I mean, come on. Think of the children, or rather grown-ups with excel programmes on their laptobs, furiously chugging away at entering scores.

The hosts know the enormity of the task and they volunteer to do it. Hosting the olympics is an honor, so there is no need to remove events simply because it takes time for the host.

[Akbarabad]

Just a minor query but shouldn't Farihah Akbar also have qualified for the Final of the Women's 10m Air Rifle? Or am I misunderstanding how the scoring works?

[Bears Armed]

Also, I feel like some nations who have never sent players to another event for that sport and beat someone else at it is quite odd...like they've never participated in the World Cup, World Bowl, etc.


I can use tennis as an example because that's an easy sport to describe. Say that you are playing in the ATP (Men's Tennis) and you qualify for the Olympics by participating in Davis Cup. Well you get to play singles and doubles. Just playing Davis Cup for a certain amount of time up to the Olympics makes you eligible, versus just signing up. For more specific there is Player 1, Novak Djokovic, and Player 2, Rafael Nadal. (this is not a real example, btw) Djokovic plays in Davis Cup and is eligible for Olympics. Nadal does not play Davis Cup and does not get invited to play in the Olympics. But if they were on NS Tennis, they would just sign up and play, meaning that a player ranked 1,005 can play with people in the top 5. I find that....odd. But here on Nationstates, there are a TON of people who do not participate in events like International Tennis Association, or any other tournament leading up.

So yeah that ended up confusing, but qualifications would root out inactive nations and help the host a lot.

So the only nations that would be allowed to send "full" sets of entrants to the Olympics would be the few (if any...) whose players are actually willing & able to participate in maybe twenty other contests -- all in different sports -- during the preceding year?!?

[Krytenia]

David Santa Cruz didn't win a medal? AAARGH, THE OLYMPICS IZ BROKEN!!!

Also, no KBS coverage until this evening, so I'll probably miss the cutoff and do two recordings this evening .

[Cafundeu]

Just a minor query but shouldn't Farihah Akbar also have qualified for the Final of the Women's 10m Air Rifle? Or am I misunderstanding how the scoring works?

There's tiebraking to avoid more than 8 going in, which can be even decided in a shootout. In this case, I believe it is because Akbar had the lowest score in a round of shots (98).

[Chenkorya]

Just a minor query but shouldn't Farihah Akbar also have qualified for the Final of the Women's 10m Air Rifle? Or am I misunderstanding how the scoring works?

There's tiebraking to avoid more than 8 going in, which can be even decided in a shootout. In this case, I believe it is because Akbar had the lowest score in a round of shots (98).

Have you already found out what happened to Zappa ?

[Cafundeu]

There's tiebraking to avoid more than 8 going in, which can be even decided in a shootout. In this case, I believe it is because Akbar had the lowest score in a round of shots (98).

Have you already found out what happened to Zappa ?

I'll handle it together with the scorination of this round. I know what happened, but still didn't find who I forgot to remove from an earlier round.

[Chenkorya]

Why do the Chenkoryan badminton girls always get drawed against each other? This is already the second time that Chenkoryan contenders have been knocked out cause of that!