Nationstates Olympic Games Discussion Thread

[Laeral]

I'm not sure whether the scorinator files exist for these, but would it be possible to add handball (an Olympic sport) and wushu (Chinese martial arts, featured at the Asian Games) to the bid? I feel like Taekwondo or Gymnastics scorinator programs could be used to represent wushu.

Handball is already part of the bid as it is part of the base list.

Wushu is supported by xkoranate (both sanshou and taolu) so it'd be possible to add wushu.

Oh, I must have missed handball. Glad to see it's already part of the bid.

Regarding wushu, I would like for it to be added to the bid, both sanshou and taolu if possible.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Is their any possibility of adding gladiatorial fights to the bid as a demonstration event?

[Wuriya]

I'm not sure whether the scorinator files exist for these, but would it be possible to add handball (an Olympic sport) and wushu (Chinese martial arts, featured at the Asian Games) to the bid? I feel like Taekwondo or Gymnastics scorinator programs could be used to represent wushu.

Handball is already part of the bid as it is part of the base list.

Wushu is supported by xkoranate (both sanshou and taolu) so it'd be possible to add wushu.

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In the event that my bid wins the host vote, there will be a procedure in the signup thread to officially propose the inclusion of additional demonstration events.

I'm confused about. How the jury gives the points for that sport. is it possible from wushu techniques or something else?

[Wuriya]

Is their any possibility of adding gladiatorial fights to the bid as a demonstration event?

I hope no for bloody gladiator. Wrestling or boxing is good than gladiator.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Is their any possibility of adding gladiatorial fights to the bid as a demonstration event?

I hope no for bloody gladiator. Wrestling or boxing is good than gladiator.

In one of my nations, Velstrania, gladiatorial fights are often put on by willing participants as a test of strength (strength, in Velstrania, being thought to reflect gods favour on a fighter), or as an alternative to traditional duals.
I get that the interest in gladiatorial fights in the Olympics will likely be almost exclusively limited to me though, so I won't be annoyed if it's not included.

[South Covello]

I hope no for bloody gladiator. Wrestling or boxing is good than gladiator.

In one of my nations, Velstrania, gladiatorial fights are often put on by willing participants as a test of strength (strength, in Velstrania, being thought to reflect gods favour on a fighter), or as an alternative to traditional duals.
I get that the interest in gladiatorial fights in the Olympics will likely be almost exclusively limited to me though, so I won't be annoyed if it's not included.

If Gregoryisgodistan were still around, we might send our convicts there as an alternative to execution (and God knows we had a lot of them), but with the death penalty permanently and unamendably banned by the Constitution, we'd have no interest whatsoever. And you'd be hard-pressed to find a nation remotely as insane as we used to be. Not to mention that I'd really question whether someone whose sole "crime" was farting or saying the word "coconut" is really capable of winning a gladiator fight.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

In one of my nations, Velstrania, gladiatorial fights are often put on by willing participants as a test of strength (strength, in Velstrania, being thought to reflect gods favour on a fighter), or as an alternative to traditional duals.
I get that the interest in gladiatorial fights in the Olympics will likely be almost exclusively limited to me though, so I won't be annoyed if it's not included.

If Gregoryisgodistan were still around, we might send our convicts there as an alternative to execution (and God knows we had a lot of them), but with the death penalty permanently and unamendably banned by the Constitution, we'd have no interest whatsoever. And you'd be hard-pressed to find a nation remotely as insane as we used to be. Not to mention that I'd really question whether someone whose sole "crime" was farting or saying the word "coconut" is really capable of winning a gladiator fight.

I liked gregoryisgodistan, though I get it might have gotten a bit dull to carry on rping it after so much time, limited amount of things to do with the idea.

[Titaniumland]

OOT: When will the next game be held? I may or may not have participated before, I'm looking forward to the next Olympic!

[Eastfield Lodge]

OOT: When will the next game be held? I may or may not have participated before, I'm looking forward to the next Olympic!

From the only current bid:

Timing

If my bid is selected, I will start the Games of the XIII Olympiad around the middle of December and it will conclude sometime in early to mid January, running for approximately one month. A more detailed schedule will be announced at a later time but no scorination of any kind will take place before the Opening Ceremony or after the Closing Ceremony.

Signups will obviously be open for a while before that (probably from around mid-November), keep your eyes peeled on this thread.

[Titaniumland]

Great! Thanks

[Renzynistan]

Wow how I missed participating in the Games! Hello everyone from RZN!!!

[Greater vakolicci haven]

OOT: When will the next game be held? I may or may not have participated before, I'm looking forward to the next Olympic!

From the only current bid:

Timing

If my bid is selected, I will start the Games of the XIII Olympiad around the middle of December and it will conclude sometime in early to mid January, running for approximately one month. A more detailed schedule will be announced at a later time but no scorination of any kind will take place before the Opening Ceremony or after the Closing Ceremony.

Signups will obviously be open for a while before that (probably from around mid-November), keep your eyes peeled on this thread.

How long do we wait for other interested parties?

[Free Republics]

From the only current bid:

Timing

If my bid is selected, I will start the Games of the XIII Olympiad around the middle of December and it will conclude sometime in early to mid January, running for approximately one month. A more detailed schedule will be announced at a later time but no scorination of any kind will take place before the Opening Ceremony or after the Closing Ceremony.

Signups will obviously be open for a while before that (probably from around mid-November), keep your eyes peeled on this thread.

How long do we wait for other interested parties?

I think it'd be ideal to have signups open slightly earlier than mid-November if I end up hosting the Olympics because the signup deadline that I announce when signups open will actually be the signup deadline.

Granted, I think it is too early right now to conduct the vote since the new signup creator is not ready and neither are the various new xkoranate sport files or the new version of my baseball/softball scorinator. My goal is for all of those to be available for testing prior to the vote.

[Liventia]

What is your proposed solution should a new nation sign up with a trigramme that has previously been used in the Olympics by another nation, whether they have ceased to exist or otherwise? If it is to allow them to use the same trigramme, how do you propose to resolve any conflicts where the previous nation using the trigramme holds Olympic records? (Moot point if the answer to the first question is to ask them to choose a different trigramme.)

[Free Republics]

What is your proposed solution should a new nation sign up with a trigramme that has previously been used in the Olympics by another nation, whether they have ceased to exist or otherwise? If it is to allow them to use the same trigramme, how do you propose to resolve any conflicts where the previous nation using the trigramme holds Olympic records? (Moot point if the answer to the first question is to ask them to choose a different trigramme.)

If a trigram has previously been used by a historically significant nation, then I would request that they choose a different trigram (and, if necessary, assign them a different trigram). A nation that holds an Olympic record would obviously be considered a historically significant nation.

I think it would be unreasonable to prevent a nation from using a trigram just because the same trigram was previously used by some long-forgotten nation that never did anything besides sign up for some Olympics 5 or 10 years ago but if any trigram is allowed to be re-used then we could end up with a mess in the Olympic records or potentially the previous owner of that trigram returning at the next Olympics and both nations attempting to re-use their trigram at the next Olympics.

[Liventia]

Could you confirm the formats for team archery, track cycling individual sprint, track cycling omnium, and track cycling women's team sprint, and track cycling women's team pursuit, and how they will be scorinated? (Kelssek has previously asked about shooting and weightlifting.)

Specifically with the women's team sprint, are you using the xkoranate default of three-woman teams (used at every NS Games except Orean VIII), or the RL standard of two-woman teams (used at Orean VIII)? In the RL Olympics, this event has never been held with three-woman teams.

In the women's team pursuit, are you using the old xkoranate default of 3 riders over 3 km (used at every NS Games until X), which was scrapped in 2013, or the current standard of 4 riders over 4 km (used at Aeropag XI)?

In the individual sprints, xkoranate does not currently properly differentiate between the 200m time trial qualification and the head-to-head sprint in times (head-to-head sprints are normally slower). Will you (like every other host has before, including me) ignore this?

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As a side note, I'll go through the Olympic records list and make sure everything's up-to-date this weekend.

[Kelssek]

The deadline to submit hosting bids for the Games of the XIII Olympiad is set for October 22, 2018.

Anne-Marie Laranduza
President, Olympic Council Executive Committee

[Free Republics]

Could you confirm the formats for team archery, track cycling individual sprint, track cycling omnium, and track cycling women's team sprint, and track cycling women's team pursuit, and how they will be scorinated? (Kelssek has previously asked about shooting and weightlifting.)

Specifically with the women's team sprint, are you using the xkoranate default of three-woman teams (used at every NS Games except Orean VIII), or the RL standard of two-woman teams (used at Orean VIII)? In the RL Olympics, this event has never been held with three-woman teams.

In the women's team pursuit, are you using the old xkoranate default of 3 riders over 3 km (used at every NS Games until X), which was scrapped in 2013, or the current standard of 4 riders over 4 km (used at Aeropag XI)?

In the individual sprints, xkoranate does not currently properly differentiate between the 200m time trial qualification and the head-to-head sprint in times (head-to-head sprints are normally slower). Will you (like every other host has before, including me) ignore this?

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As a side note, I'll go through the Olympic records list and make sure everything's up-to-date this weekend.

My aim will be consistency with RL where possible (plus the full set of gender equality additions) so women's team sprint will use the RL standard.

For women's team pursuit, I'll be using the current standard of 4 riders over 4 km.

For the individual sprints, I believe it should be possible to create a new xkoranate file for the head-to-head sprints to produce slightly slower times.

More generally, I'm planning on doing a general overview of scorination files over the next month, RL schedule permitting, and making changes as needed. I'm hoping to have the new Signup Creator and all of the new scorination files for demonstration events ready to go by the bid deadline.

[Kelssek]

I'm now open to public comment on the following additions to the extended list, which aims to achieve consistency with the Tokyo 2020 events. This is based on the programme approved in June 2017 although it is still subject to change, in particular with karate weight categories still to be confirmed.

If made official, hosts (including those bidding for the Games of the XIII Olympiad) will have the option to include these as medal events if they wish.

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ATHLETICS
Mixed 4×100 m Medley Relay (1 team of 4)

SWIMMING
Mixed medley relay (1 team of 4)

BASKETBALL
Men’s 3x3 (1 team of 3)
Women’s 3x3 (1 team of 3)

BASEBALL-SOFTBALL
Men’s Baseball (1 team)
Women’s Softball (1 team)

CYCLING
Men’s Madison (1 team of 2)
Women’s Madison (1 team of 2)

JUDO
Mixed Team (N/A)
Consists of teams of three male judoka (73kg, 90kg, over 90kg) and three female judoka (57kg, 70kg, over 70kg) who were entered in the individual competition.

KARATE
KATA
Men’s Individual (1)
Men’s Team (1 team of 3)
Women’s Individual (1)
Women’s Team (1 team of 3)

KUMITE
Men’s 60 kg (1)
Men’s 67 kg (1)
Men’s 75 kg (1)
Men’s 84 kg (1)
Men’s Over 84 kg (1)
Men’s Team (1 team of 7)
Women’s 50 kg (1)
Women’s 55 kg (1)
Women’s 61 kg (1)
Women’s 68 kg (1)
Women’s Over 68 kg (1)
Women’s Team (1 team of 4)

Hosts are recommended hold events for three weight classes in each gender, at their discretion.

SHOOTING
Trap Mixed Team (1 team of 2)
10 m Air Rifle Mixed Team (1 team of 2)
10 m Air Pistol Mixed Team (1 team of 2)

SKATEBOARDING
Men’s Park
Men’s Street
Women’s Park
Women’s Street

SPORT CLIMBING
Men’s Bouldering
Men’s Lead
Men’s Speed
Men’s Combined
Women’s Bouldering
Women’s Lead
Women’s Speed
Women’s Combined

SURFING
Men’s Shortboard
Women’s Shortboard

TRIATHLON
Mixed Team Relay (1 team of 4)

[West Phoenicia]

Probably the best question to ask first is, if these sports are included ( happy to see Surfing, as we had a NS Surfing Tournament that started off strong than the host disappeared. )

Are these sports that hosts will be able to access via xkorante? Or will these sports need to be inputted into the program. Are are of them too difficulty to calculate?

[Kelssek]

The ability to scorinate them is a different question from whether they should be on the extended list. While hosts must hold the events on the base list, it's up to them if they want to hold events on the extended list. If they have no means to scorinate, they can leave them out with no problem.

The important thing, too, is that medals can be awarded for these events.

[Free Republics]

If they are added to the extended list, I'd add them as medal events in my bid, assuming I can find a way to scorinate them.

3x3 basketball might prove to be a bit of a challenge as the rules state that games end at 21 or, if tied after 10 minutes, after a team scores 2 points in overtime. 2 point shots in regular basketball are worth 1 point and 3 point shots in regular basketball are worth 2. According to Wikipedia, teams actually have 4 players, one of which is a substitute. Given that the scoring doesn't really fit xkoranate paradigms very well (the one used for tennis doesn't work because games can and do end with the winning team scoring less than 21, games can end 21-20 and games can even end 22-21 if tied 20-20 going into OT), I'd probably create a new scorinator for that.

In the event that baseball and softball are added to the extended list but women's baseball and men's softball are not, I would hold men's baseball and women's softball as medal events but women's baseball and men's softball would be demonstration events.

[Liventia]

I'm now open to public comment on the following additions to the extended list, which aims to achieve consistency with the Tokyo 2020 events. This is based on the programme approved in June 2017 although it is still subject to change, in particular with karate weight categories still to be confirmed.

If made official, hosts (including those bidding for the Games of the XIII Olympiad) will have the option to include these as medal events if they wish.

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ATHLETICS
Mixed 4×100 m Medley Relay (1 team of 4)

SWIMMING
Mixed medley relay (1 team of 4)

BASKETBALL
Men’s 3x3 (1 team of 3)
Women’s 3x3 (1 team of 3)

BASEBALL-SOFTBALL
Men’s Baseball (1 team)
Women’s Softball (1 team)

CYCLING
Men’s Madison (1 team of 2)
Women’s Madison (1 team of 2)

JUDO
Mixed Team (N/A)
Consists of teams of three male judoka (73kg, 90kg, over 90kg) and three female judoka (57kg, 70kg, over 70kg) who were entered in the individual competition.

KARATE
KATA
Men’s Individual (1)
Men’s Team (1 team of 3)
Women’s Individual (1)
Women’s Team (1 team of 3)

KUMITE
Men’s 60 kg (1)
Men’s 67 kg (1)
Men’s 75 kg (1)
Men’s 84 kg (1)
Men’s Over 84 kg (1)
Men’s Team (1 team of 7)
Women’s 50 kg (1)
Women’s 55 kg (1)
Women’s 61 kg (1)
Women’s 68 kg (1)
Women’s Over 68 kg (1)
Women’s Team (1 team of 4)

Hosts are recommended hold events for three weight classes in each gender, at their discretion.

SHOOTING
Trap Mixed Team (1 team of 2)
10 m Air Rifle Mixed Team (1 team of 2)
10 m Air Pistol Mixed Team (1 team of 2)

SKATEBOARDING
Men’s Park
Men’s Street
Women’s Park
Women’s Street

SPORT CLIMBING
Men’s Bouldering
Men’s Lead
Men’s Speed
Men’s Combined
Women’s Bouldering
Women’s Lead
Women’s Speed
Women’s Combined

SURFING
Men’s Shortboard
Women’s Shortboard

TRIATHLON
Mixed Team Relay (1 team of 4)

My understanding (bearing in mind it is my RL job to know this) is that Sport Climbing is only going to be Combined, rather than each of the three individual disciplines and a Combined event.

Note also that the Shooting event list has been pared down (e.g. removal of double trap) to allow the new events onto the schedule.

You're also missing a few new events off that list, including men's 800m free/women's 1500m free swimming, and table tennis mixed doubles. Also you've listed the athletics event wrongly (distance medley relays won't be in the Tokyo Games).

[Kelssek]

Thanks a lot Liventia for that input. I did indeed misread the sport climbing one in particular.

This would be the new shooting event list: base list events in bold, extended list normal. The mixed events ought to become base list events, but for the 13th Summer Olympics I think it'd be fair to allow the host to decide if they can scorinate it or not. Hope I am not missing something. Note to bidders, that this means you will have to drop the shooting events which have been dropped IRL too.

SHOOTING
Men’s 10 m Air Pistol
Men’s 25 m Rapid Fire Pistol
Men’s 10 m Air Rifle
Men’s 50 m Rifle Three Positions
Men’s Skeet
Men’s Trap
Women’s 10 m Air Pistol
Women’s 25 m Pistol
Women’s 25 m Rapid Fire Pistol ¹
Women’s 10 m Air Rifle
Women’s 50 m Rifle
Women’s Skeet
Women’s Trap
Mixed Pistol Team
Mixed Rifle Team
Mixed Trap Team
1. Same note about how the Women's 25 m pistol event should change if rapid fire pistol is included.

I'm also aware that men's boxing is going to drop two weight categories, but as I haven't seen any official word about what they will be, and I'm also wary about too many changes this late in the bidding process, I'll leave this up to the next Olympic Council President.

And here's what the additions list looks like now:

ATHLETICS
Mixed 4×400 m Relay (1 team of 4)

AQUATICS
SWIMMING
Men’s 800 m Freestyle (2)
Women’s 1500 m Freestyle (2)
Mixed 4×100 m Medley Relay (1 team of 4)

BASKETBALL
Men’s 3x3 (1 team of 3)
Women’s 3x3 (1 team of 3)

BASEBALL-SOFTBALL
Men’s Baseball (1 team)
Women’s Softball (1 team)

CYCLING
Men’s Madison (1 team of 2)
Women’s Madison (1 team of 2)

JUDO
Mixed Team (N/A)
Consists of teams of three male judoka (73kg, 90kg, over 90kg) and three female judoka (57kg, 70kg, over 70kg) who were entered in the individual competition.

KARATE
KATA
Men’s Individual (1)
Women’s Individual (1)
KUMITE
Men’s 67 kg (1)
Men’s 75 kg (1)
Men’s Over 84 kg (1)
Women’s 55 kg (1)
Women’s 68 kg (1)
Women’s Over 68 kg (1)

SHOOTING
see above

SKATEBOARDING
Men’s Park
Men’s Street
Women’s Park
Women’s Street

SPORT CLIMBING
Men’s Combined
Women’s Combined

SURFING
Men’s Shortboard
Women’s Shortboard

TABLE TENNIS
Mixed Doubles (1 team of 2)

TRIATHLON
Mixed Team Relay (1 team of 4)

EDIT: I've found more up-to-date information from the World Karate Federation's qualification procedure documents, and on that basis I've set the Karate events accordingly.

[Liventia]

I would suggest holding off on boxing until its Olympic fate is confirmed — it's possible that for governance reasons, the sport ends up excluded from Tokyo 2020.

Also note the following changes in Canoe/Kayak and Rowing:
CANOE/KAYAK
SLALOM
The C-2 has been removed, in favour of full gender parity across C-1 and K-1 (four events)
SPRINT
The men's C-1 200m has been removed in favour of a women's C-1 200m event. The men's C-1 1000m event stays. [For our needs, the men's C-1 200m and women's C-1 500m can be/remain on the extended list]
The women's C-2 500m has been added to the programme as a full event. [Currently extended list for us]
The men's K-2 200m has been removed from the programme. [Accordingly, the women's K-2 200m should be removed from our extended list]

ROWING
The men's LW fours has been removed from the programme. [Accordingly, the women's LW fours should be removed from our extended list]
The women's fours has been added to the programme as a full event. [Currently extended list]

A very minor change to the sailing programme - the Mixed Multihull will be contested as a Mixed Foiling Multihull event in Tokyo (using Nacra 17 Foiling boats). Also the Sailboard event is officially referred to by the IOC as Windsurfer (still using RS:X).