Nationstates Olympic Games Discussion Thread

[Kelssek]

I think that MMAB was at 20% in all past Olympics I was in, even though I may be wrong.

Yes, this is correct - I believe MMAB has always been 20%, from the time Kytler instituted it through the last Olympics. Electrum and I definitely did a MMAB of 20%.

I'm not sure what you mean by 20%, but MMAB was minimal in Novonaya-Provinsk and if you recall we originally didn't want to have it at all.

Considering that the community has pretty consistently voted for bids with a 20% MMAB, I'd venture saying that I'm not the only one who disagrees with you on this.

Given that we rarely have more than one bid, you really can't draw conclusions like that. I might prefer no MMAB, but not enough to forgo the Olympics altogether by rejecting the only bid on offer. Acceptance, tolerance, acquiescence, etc. are not the same as positive endorsement and approval.

[Free Republics]

I'm interested to know why you've included both Camogie and Hurling, when they're essentially the same sport. It seems a bit redundant. What's the reasoning behind the decision? Also, could you elaborate on what type of auto racing will be conducted?

I'd assumed that those sports had comparable differences to the differences between baseball and softball but if they're more or less the same sport with very few differences then it makes no sense to include both of them and Camogie should probably be cut. I'll have to look into that before making a decision.

For auto racing, it'll be open wheel racing since that's what the scorinator in xkoranate is designed for.

How will performance-style wrestling be scorinated, considering the results are not supposed to be "real" IC-ly?

It'll be a judged sport which is why the entries call for teams of wrestlers that will be wrestling matches under certain conditions. The matches will be judged on various factors such as workrate, ring psychology, appropriateness/flashiness of moves, chemistry between the wrestlers, execution of moves and whether or not the match comes to a decisive conclusion within the given time limit.

[Todd McCloud]

Yeah I'd suggest a reduction of MMAB and an increase in RP-centered performance.

Also Vekaiyu will naturally demand Underwater Hockey as a demonstration sport.

[Banija]

I'd actually put myself out there for keeping MMAB the way it is in FFR's bid.

Of course, we should remember why MMAB is there- to prevent nations from being like they're absolutely Gods at some sports and simply giving themselves zeroes in other sports. To prevent nations from being like, "I'm the most dominant sporting Olympian there is" at a bunch of said sports, before the first RPs are dropped.

I understand, of course, some of the IC arguments- the horses of the Equestrian States should honestly sweep the track races, and beating Velstrania's or Drawkland's giants in wrestling would be extremely tough, but where's the fun in that for the rest of us if we just always get smashed? Part of the IC allowances we make for NS Sports.

Of course, I am one of NS Sports least decorated Olympians(4 total Olympics; 3 total medals) so not like that'll do much for me anyways

Regardless, yea, that's my 2 cents on the issue.

[West Phoenicia]

Stupid question. 579 is the medal entry number, if one was to sign up for all sports with the maximum number of people added to that sport. I dont appear to have ever reached that level.

Is it because Archery, Gymnastics and Equestrian have the N/A section that add to the tally of 579? And if so when we count our entries should we be including those.

Example having 3 male archers qualify you for Mens Team Archery. Now when someone manually counts up their entries is that 4 entries or just for the intial 3 single archers?

Also I would like to suggest Lawn Bowls as a possible Demonstration event. Its played at the Commonwealth Games and is a good sport for older athletes.

As well as possible Cricket for another suggestion.

Meanwhile thank you for including Netball, a commonwealth games favorite and my gf is happy that Cheerleading has been included and she looks forward to adding to the roleplay with that.

Also thank you for including a bit more variety with the Demo sports. However Is there much difference between RugbySevens which is a medal sport and RugbyNines which i dont seem to have heard of before.

Also to what Banija just said do nations with non-humanoid entrants get an advantage or disadvantage. Or is it more just roleplay storytelling?

Thank you for your time

[Liventia]

However Is there much difference between RugbySevens which is a medal sport and RugbyNines which i dont seem to have heard of before.

I believe Rugby 9s is to League what 7s is to Union.

Also to what Banija just said do nations with non-humanoid entrants get an advantage or disadvantage. Or is it more just roleplay storytelling?

The only advantage/disadvantage in scorination comes from the skill points and RP bonus. Everything else is roleplay.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I'd actually put myself out there for keeping MMAB the way it is in FFR's bid.

Of course, we should remember why MMAB is there- to prevent nations from being like they're absolutely Gods at some sports and simply giving themselves zeroes in other sports. To prevent nations from being like, "I'm the most dominant sporting Olympian there is" at a bunch of said sports, before the first RPs are dropped.

I understand, of course, some of the IC arguments- the horses of the Equestrian States should honestly sweep the track races, and beating Velstrania's or Drawkland's giants in wrestling would be extremely tough, but where's the fun in that for the rest of us if we just always get smashed? Part of the IC allowances we make for NS Sports.

Of course, I am one of NS Sports least decorated Olympians(4 total Olympics; 3 total medals) so not like that'll do much for me anyways

Regardless, yea, that's my 2 cents on the issue.

The thing is, the Velsturmen giants would not only be very good at heavyweight wrestling, but would also have major disadvantages at other sports; diving, for example, as well as equestrian event. Likewise, ponies are highly unlikely to be particularly good auto racers.

Strange suggestion and I don't know if it'd be practical, but perhaps these nations could be able to specify sports they're very good at and sports they're absolutely awful about to lend more credence to the rp story, which would be excluded from MMAB?

What you rp is obviously not something that should be absolutely gold-plated and protected when doing so would ruin the sports for everyone. Realisticly, you're not beating Maria Schtenko, a technologically-upgraded super-soldier, in womens lightweight boxing. It wouldn't happen. However, I'd be incredibly selfish and also an idiot if I wanted her to get a free pass to the gold medal, so I simply don't rp the matches she loses, or if I have to I put it down as a result of her technology being unreliable.

[Free Republics]

Stupid question. 579 is the medal entry number, if one was to sign up for all sports with the maximum number of people added to that sport. I dont appear to have ever reached that level.

Is it because Archery, Gymnastics and Equestrian have the N/A section that add to the tally of 579? And if so when we count our entries should we be including those.

Example having 3 male archers qualify you for Mens Team Archery. Now when someone manually counts up their entries is that 4 entries or just for the intial 3 single archers?

The automatic entries such as the Team Archery entries in the Summer Olympics or the Figure Skating Team Trophy in the Winter Olympics have never been counted toward entry limits, to my knowledge.

Also I would like to suggest Lawn Bowls as a possible Demonstration event. Its played at the Commonwealth Games and is a good sport for older athletes.

As well as possible Cricket for another suggestion.

Also Vekaiyu will naturally demand Underwater Hockey as a demonstration sport.

I'll add additional demonstration events if there is sufficient interest. If I end up deciding to remove Camogie from the list, either Underwater Hockey (which IIRC was in last year's Summer Olympics) or T20 Cricket (if I can figure out the scoring and how to create a roster) would likely be added as a replacement.

Also to what Banija just said do nations with non-humanoid entrants get an advantage or disadvantage. Or is it more just roleplay storytelling?

I can confirm that Liventia's answer is correct. RP bonus, skill points and random luck are the only things that factor into scorination.

Strange suggestion and I don't know if it'd be practical, but perhaps these nations could be able to specify sports they're very good at and sports they're absolutely awful about to lend more credence to the rp story, which would be excluded from MMAB?

I'm reluctant to permit IC-related exceptions to the MMAB because this could easily be gamed. Given the results of Ciqi and Slave State during the year when I entered them in the Summer Olympics, I'm actually unsure whether min-maxers are actually still at a slight advantage for medal count even with a 20% MMAB so I'd also be concerned about putting min-maxers who have an IC reason for their min-maxing at an advantage in terms of securing medals compared to those who don't min-max.

[The Plough Islands]

I'd add another voice for those wanting cricket as an Olympic sport - the Foxes would gladly take part

[Liventia]

My opposition to including cricket in the NS Olympics as a demonstration event isn't new, but just voicing it anew given the support it's getting.

[Wuriya]

Hello, I'm a newbie on NS Sports forum. I have a plan to start National Olympic games named "Wuriyan National Games". For all masters on the Olympic affairs, Does the regulation for local/domestic Olympic events according to Olympic rules? What our National Olympic games is recognized by the Olympic Council? Thank you.

This is about my Olympic games project.
www.pon.wu

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Hello, I'm a newbie on NS Sports forum. I have a plan to start National Olympic games named "Wuriyan National Games". For all masters on the Olympic affairs, Does the regulation for local/domestic Olympic events according to Olympic rules? What our National Olympic games is recognized by the Olympic Council? Thank you.

This is about my Olympic games project.
www.pon.wu

Hello,

Their's no actual regulation by the Olympic council of national tournaments. However, if you want to call something an 'Olympics,' prepare for a lot of regulars getting very pissy at you for what will probably seem to you (and me) no reason whatsoever.

[Wuriya]

Hello, I'm a newbie on NS Sports forum. I have a plan to start National Olympic games named "Wuriyan National Games". For all masters on the Olympic affairs, Does the regulation for local/domestic Olympic events according to Olympic rules? What our National Olympic games is recognized by the Olympic Council? Thank you.

This is about my Olympic games project.
www.pon.wu

Hello,

Their's no actual regulation by the Olympic council of national tournaments. However, if you want to call something an 'Olympics,' prepare for a lot of regulars getting very pissy at you for what will probably seem to you (and me) no reason whatsoever.

Thank you very much, Greater Vakolicci haven.
Your explanation is very helpful. I will hold a multi-sport event at the national level. I think to start a roleplay itself (domestic) it is necessary to ask for prior approval from the organization concerned but literally not too.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Hello,

Their's no actual regulation by the Olympic council of national tournaments. However, if you want to call something an 'Olympics,' prepare for a lot of regulars getting very pissy at you for what will probably seem to you (and me) no reason whatsoever.

Thank you very much, Greater Vakolicci haven.
Your explanation is very helpful. I will hold a multi-sport event at the national level. I think to start a roleplay itself (domestic) it is necessary to ask for prior approval from the organization concerned but literally not too.

You don't need to ask for approval from world governing bodies to host a tournament, but their are international club competitions in a few sports that you may be interested in.

[Bears Armed]

Hello, I'm a newbie on NS Sports forum. I have a plan to start National Olympic games named "Wuriyan National Games". For all masters on the Olympic affairs, Does the regulation for local/domestic Olympic events according to Olympic rules? What our National Olympic games is recognized by the Olympic Council? Thank you.

This is about my Olympic games project.
www.pon.wu

Hello,

Their's no actual regulation by the Olympic council of national tournaments. However, if you want to call something an 'Olympics,' prepare for a lot of regulars getting very pissy at you for what will probably seem to you (and me) no reason whatsoever.

Could always call them the Olimpicks instead...

^_^

[Wuriya]

Thank you very much, Greater Vakolicci haven.
Your explanation is very helpful. I will hold a multi-sport event at the national level. I think to start a roleplay itself (domestic) it is necessary to ask for prior approval from the organization concerned but literally not too.

You don't need to ask for approval from world governing bodies to host a tournament, but their are international club competitions in a few sports that you may be interested in.

Okay, I understand. Also, I want to ask you about this.

SWIMMING
Men’s 50 m Freestyle (2)

Do you know the mean for number (2) on Men’s 50 m Freestyle sentence? I was saw on the Olympic Charter thread and I'm a bit confused.

[Wuriya]

Hello,

Their's no actual regulation by the Olympic council of national tournaments. However, if you want to call something an 'Olympics,' prepare for a lot of regulars getting very pissy at you for what will probably seem to you (and me) no reason whatsoever.

Could always call them the Olimpicks instead...

^_^

sounds the same just different letters. Maybe

[Greater vakolicci haven]

You don't need to ask for approval from world governing bodies to host a tournament, but their are international club competitions in a few sports that you may be interested in.

Okay, I understand. Also, I want to ask you about this.

SWIMMING
Men’s 50 m Freestyle (2)

Do you know the mean for number (2) on Men’s 50 m Freestyle sentence? I was saw on the Olympic Charter thread and I'm a bit confused.

It's the maximum number of entrants for that event.
So you can enter two athletes into mens 50 m freestyle, but other events have different entry limits. A lot of the time whoever ends up hosting the Olympics will produce a spreadsheet, meaning you won't go over the entry limits.

[Free Republics]

Hello, I'm a newbie on NS Sports forum. I have a plan to start National Olympic games named "Wuriyan National Games". For all masters on the Olympic affairs, Does the regulation for local/domestic Olympic events according to Olympic rules? What our National Olympic games is recognized by the Olympic Council? Thank you.

This is about my Olympic games project.
www.pon.wu

Hello,

Their's no actual regulation by the Olympic council of national tournaments. However, if you want to call something an 'Olympics,' prepare for a lot of regulars getting very pissy at you for what will probably seem to you (and me) no reason whatsoever.

Its perfectly fine to create a "REGION_NAME Olympics" or "NATION_NAME Olympics" as long as you don't try to claim that your event is sanctioned by the Olympic Council. Its also perfectly fine to create an event that has the same events as an Olympics but is called something else (though I wouldn't recommend trying to host something on the scale of a full Olympics without previous hosting experience and full knowledge of what you're getting yourself into). Creating a new event and claiming that it is the "Winter Olympics" or "Summer Olympics" with no qualifiers or otherwise claiming that your event is an official Olympic Council event when it isn't is where there tends to be issues (just as you can't create a new "World Cup" or "World Baseball Classic" without any qualifiers or claim that your new event is officially sanctioned by those committees).

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Also, FFR with regards to the signup creator I am willing to host it for free.

[Wuriya]

Okay, I understand. Also, I want to ask you about this.

SWIMMING
Men’s 50 m Freestyle (2)

Do you know the mean for number (2) on Men’s 50 m Freestyle sentence? I was saw on the Olympic Charter thread and I'm a bit confused.

It's the maximum number of entrants for that event.
So you can enter two athletes into mens 50 m freestyle, but other events have different entry limits. A lot of the time whoever ends up hosting the Olympics will produce a spreadsheet, meaning you won't go over the entry limits.

I truly understand for that number now. Thank you Vakolicci!

[Wuriya]

Hello,

Their's no actual regulation by the Olympic council of national tournaments. However, if you want to call something an 'Olympics,' prepare for a lot of regulars getting very pissy at you for what will probably seem to you (and me) no reason whatsoever.

It's perfectly fine to create a "REGION_NAME Olympics" or "NATION_NAME Olympics" as long as you don't try to claim that your event is sanctioned by the Olympic Council. It's also perfectly fine to create an event that has the same events as an Olympics but is called something else (though I wouldn't recommend trying to host something on the scale of a full Olympics without previous hosting experience and full knowledge of what you're getting yourself into). Creating a new event and claiming that it is the "Winter Olympics" or "Summer Olympics" with no qualifiers or otherwise claiming that your event is an official Olympic Council event when it isn't is where there tend to be issued (just as you can't create a new "World Cup" or "World Baseball Classic" without any qualifiers or claim that your new event is officially sanctioned by those committees).

Thanks for your advice, free republics. I plan to hold a national multi-sport competition which is only participated by domestic athletes who represent their provinces. I only follow the format of the Olympic Games. I think it's only the national/domestic Olympics.

[South Covello]

Could always call them the Olimpicks instead...

^_^

sounds the same just different letters. Maybe

The Olympic Council here isn’t nearly as persnickety about the Olympic name as the RL IOC. Regional or national olympics are fine as long as you don’t claim they’re connected to the NS-wife Olympics or imply it in any way. And they’re definitely not looking to shut down RPs about a restaurant called the Olympic Diner or a paint company called the Olympic Paint Company, both of which have been sued IRL. Unless, of course, you’re claiming they’re the official diner/paint company of the Olympics.

[Laeral]

I'm not sure whether the scorinator files exist for these, but would it be possible to add handball (an Olympic sport) and wushu (Chinese martial arts, featured at the Asian Games) to the bid? I feel like Taekwondo or Gymnastics scorinator programs could be used to represent wushu.

[Free Republics]

I'm not sure whether the scorinator files exist for these, but would it be possible to add handball (an Olympic sport) and wushu (Chinese martial arts, featured at the Asian Games) to the bid? I feel like Taekwondo or Gymnastics scorinator programs could be used to represent wushu.

Handball is already part of the bid as it is part of the base list.

Wushu is supported by xkoranate (both sanshou and taolu) so it'd be possible to add wushu.

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In the event that my bid wins the host vote, there will be a procedure in the signup thread to officially propose the inclusion of additional demonstration events.