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Postby United Gordonopia » Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:22 pm

The thread is up under "Nationstates Business School (OOC Storefront School)". Post, and also look on the moderation thread and go to "Could this possibly get stickied? " To help get the school as a sticky.

Since I started posting on Global Economics and Trade, I've noticed quite a lot of copying going on, among other things.

For example, let's look at the latest trend: restaurants.

Most of these new "Stores" are very similar, almost copies. Each one starts with 2-3 lines of introduction, a menu, and a two question form. That's it. No real difference, not even a price to get stores, just answering two questions. There's not to much thought involved, all they do is make a menu, and a tiny bit of background, and presto a store.

Next, we can go to the ever popular military storefronts.

Yes, there are many very high quality storefronts out there, far better then even mine. But there are a TON of "store's" that, like most restaurant threads, are just slapped together and posted. Most of the time, the ideas never see the draftroom, and are often copied off of real life counterparts. Usually, the specs form is copied off of some other person's store and modified a little bit. Then they post it as their own. I've seen at least 2 times in the past two weeks where names weren't even changed in the copy and past process, so the SUPERTANK 9000's info still says "The M1a2 has a 120 mm gun".


Now I know that new people will always experiment, and try to find a place in the complicated NS world. But instead of buying their product because we feel sorry for them, we should help them by teaching them. I propose that we create the NationStates Business School, this forum's NationStates Trainers. We would have at most 8 instructors (could be expanded) who are very skilled in their field. If you think you are actually qualified to help in such an organization, go ahead and fill out the form I've created below. Feel free to also comment on this idea in general. If I can get enough instructors, then I'll put up a thread for this, and maybe try and get it stickied.

The categories I can think of are:
Military Storefronts (MT and FT)
Special Storefronts (Gaming, Restaurants, Hotels, etc.)
Commercial Transportation Storefronts (Automobiles, Commercial Aircraft, and Private Naval Vessels)
Oil and Resources Storefronts (Oil, Resource Trading, etc)



NationStates Business School Instructor Application
Nation Name:
How long have you been on NationStates:
Do you have a NationStates Draftroom Account:
What category would you like to teach (please limit to one or two):
Personal Example in that category:
Amount of time you could spend teaching people:
Comments:


Here's my application:

Nation Name: Republic of United Gordonopia
How long have you been on NationStates: On and off for 1 year
Do you have a NationStates Draftroom Account: Yes
What category would you like to teach (please limit to one or two): Special Storefronts
Personal Example in that category:Gordonopian Enterprises Storefront (partially under construction)
Amount of time you could spend teaching people each week: 3-4 hours
Comments: I hope this works




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United Gordonopia (Special Storefronts)
The Blackhelm Confederacy (Oil and Resources Storefronts)
L3 Communications/Techno-Soviet/Democratic Federation/Yatea (Military Storefronts, MT and FT)
Falkasia (Military Storefronts, MT and PMT)
Astholm (Commercial Transportation Storefronts)
Jeuna (Military Storefronts: Chemical Warfare)
Valipac (Military Storefronts, MT)
Van Luxemburg (Commercial Transportation Storefronts, automobiles)
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Postby United Gordonopia » Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:25 pm

No one likes my proposal?
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Postby Augmark » Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:31 pm

I think we should let people do as they wish (within reason), and let trends be trends. Trends exist everywhere, not just in nationstates. I do however think that storefront coaching could be a good idea, for those who don't know where to begin

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Postby United Gordonopia » Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:32 pm

Augmark wrote:I think we should let people do as they wish (within reason), and let trends be trends. Trends exist everywhere, not just in nationstates. I do however think that storefront coaching could be a good idea, for those who don't know where to begin



Exactly. I'm not trying to stop trends. As I said, I just want the quality of the store itself to get better, not to go out of existence entirely.
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Postby Blackhelm Confederacy » Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:30 pm

Nation Name: The Blackhelm Confederacy
How long have you been on NationStates: About 3 years
Do you have a NationStates Draftroom Account: Nay
What category would you like to teach (please limit to one or two): Oil and Resources Storefronts
Personal Example in that category: Almost everything I do revolves around this field. If necesary I will get an example however.
Amount of time you could spend teaching people:..idk, depends on the day. Alot?
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Postby Chetssaland » Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:36 pm

(OOC: Is there an application for being a student or?)

I would like to learn as I know I haven't come close to mastering the trade RP skill.

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Postby Blackhelm Confederacy » Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:42 pm

Well Chet, if it's oil or a resource, I can help ya out.
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Postby Chetssaland » Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:45 pm

Meh, I'm not much for the oil aspect of it. I already have oil being imported from some nations. Luckily I don't have any oil in my nation, otherwise I know a certain someone would have invaded me by now.

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Postby Sorgan » Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:51 pm

OOC: I am some what experienced in storefronts:

Nation Name:Sorgan (Role play Company: Sorgan Labor Co./Charter Foods)
How long have you been on NationStates:A rather short time.
Do you have a NationStates Draft room Account:No
What category would you like to teach (please limit to one or two):Food Storefronts/Drink Storefronts
Personal Example in that category:It's sunken down deep in the forums but here it is: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=3255&p=90097&sid=b00afe4bcd663cd82def3c7c1892bfb3&sid=2cfda4d1f6f1d8340cb7124c9f287d00#p90097 I've Also got a boat manufacturing Storefront: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=6085&p=200485&hilit=Istion&sid=e13b4bad25c231d2e15d2af14ffad437&sid=2cfda4d1f6f1d8340cb7124c9f287d00#p200485
Amount of time you could spend teaching people: As much as you need me to! Well on Monday,Tuesday,And Thursday after 5:00 Pm
Comments:I hope i could help.
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Nation Name: L3 Communications
How long have you been on NationStates: About six months or so.
Do you have a NationStates Draftroom Account: No
What category would you like to teach (please limit to one or two): MT, FT
Personal Example in that category: MT; FT
Amount of time you could spend teaching people: Maybe twice a week?
Comments: Nothing much, besides my puppets:
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Just so you can know when I'm on. =\
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Postby Seculartopia » Thu Jul 23, 2009 7:45 pm

Augmark wrote:I think we should let people do as they wish (within reason), and let trends be trends. Trends exist everywhere, not just in nationstates. I do however think that storefront coaching could be a good idea, for those who don't know where to begin

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If i approved all of my weapons through the NS Draftroom, it would take forever for me to reach a compromise with a design on them. I have customers waiting for their orders! :geek:

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How long have you been on NationStates: A few weeks, but ive gotten a good deal of experience.
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Postby United Gordonopia » Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:43 pm

L3 Communications wrote:Nation Name: L3 Communications
How long have you been on NationStates: About six months or so.
Do you have a NationStates Draftroom Account: No
What category would you like to teach (please limit to one or two): MT, FT
Personal Example in that category: MT; FT
Amount of time you could spend teaching people: Maybe twice a week?
Comments: Nothing much, besides my puppets:
- Techno-Soviet
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- Yatea
Just so you can know when I'm on. =\


Blackhelm Confederacy wrote:Nation Name: The Blackhelm Confederacy
How long have you been on NationStates: About 3 years
Do you have a NationStates Draftroom Account: Nay
What category would you like to teach (please limit to one or two): Oil and Resources Storefronts
Personal Example in that category: Almost everything I do revolves around this field. If necesary I will get an example however.
Amount of time you could spend teaching people:..idk, depends on the day. Alot?
Comments: Griffincrest

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Both of you would probably be able to teach. No offense to the other two, but these guys (counting L3's puppets) just have, well, more experience.

I know Griff is a juggernaut in the oil sector, so he's perfect for that (just don't teach ALL of your tactics ;) )

And L3 has some pretty good storefronts going. BTW L3, I'm assuming you want to teach military, or what?
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United Gordonopia wrote:
L3 Communications wrote:Nation Name: L3 Communications
How long have you been on NationStates: About six months or so.
Do you have a NationStates Draftroom Account: No
What category would you like to teach (please limit to one or two): MT, FT
Personal Example in that category: MT; FT
Amount of time you could spend teaching people: Maybe twice a week?
Comments: Nothing much, besides my puppets:
- Techno-Soviet
- Democratic Federation
- Yatea
Just so you can know when I'm on. =\


Blackhelm Confederacy wrote:Nation Name: The Blackhelm Confederacy
How long have you been on NationStates: About 3 years
Do you have a NationStates Draftroom Account: Nay
What category would you like to teach (please limit to one or two): Oil and Resources Storefronts
Personal Example in that category: Almost everything I do revolves around this field. If necesary I will get an example however.
Amount of time you could spend teaching people:..idk, depends on the day. Alot?
Comments: Griffincrest

OOC: Felt I should do something nice for the newbs for once, ya know, before I rape and pillage.



Both of you would probably be able to teach. No offense to the other two, but these guys (counting L3's puppets) just have, well, more experience.

I know Griff is a juggernaut in the oil sector, so he's perfect for that (just don't teach ALL of your tactics ;) )

And L3 has some pretty good storefronts going. BTW L3, I'm assuming you want to teach military, or what?


No specifics, actually. General FT; MT storefronts. Military MT generally; FT anything, pretty much. I can probably help with setting up a good layout, logos, etc for storefronts. I have a couple sites bookmarked that I can make free logos and I have GIMP so anything I can't generate I can make myself.

I've been needing to make one for TS's Lenin-Gravodsky Robotics Corp, which would pretty much sell everything from automated death machines to household servants. :P
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Postby United Gordonopia » Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:00 pm

L3 Communications wrote:
United Gordonopia wrote:
L3 Communications wrote:Nation Name: L3 Communications
How long have you been on NationStates: About six months or so.
Do you have a NationStates Draftroom Account: No
What category would you like to teach (please limit to one or two): MT, FT
Personal Example in that category: MT; FT
Amount of time you could spend teaching people: Maybe twice a week?
Comments: Nothing much, besides my puppets:
- Techno-Soviet
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Just so you can know when I'm on. =\


Blackhelm Confederacy wrote:Nation Name: The Blackhelm Confederacy
How long have you been on NationStates: About 3 years
Do you have a NationStates Draftroom Account: Nay
What category would you like to teach (please limit to one or two): Oil and Resources Storefronts
Personal Example in that category: Almost everything I do revolves around this field. If necesary I will get an example however.
Amount of time you could spend teaching people:..idk, depends on the day. Alot?
Comments: Griffincrest

OOC: Felt I should do something nice for the newbs for once, ya know, before I rape and pillage.



Both of you would probably be able to teach. No offense to the other two, but these guys (counting L3's puppets) just have, well, more experience.

I know Griff is a juggernaut in the oil sector, so he's perfect for that (just don't teach ALL of your tactics ;) )

And L3 has some pretty good storefronts going. BTW L3, I'm assuming you want to teach military, or what?


No specifics, actually. General FT; MT storefronts. Military MT generally; FT anything, pretty much. I can probably help with setting up a good layout, logos, etc for storefronts. I have a couple sites bookmarked that I can make free logos and I have GIMP so anything I can't generate I can make myself.

I've been needing to make one for TS's Lenin-Gravodsky Robotics Corp, which would pretty much sell everything from automated death machines to household servants. :P



How about I put you as Military MT and FT?
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United Gordonopia wrote:How about I put you as Military MT and FT?


Meh, why not. =\
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Postby Chetssaland » Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:21 pm

Ok, I can start when ever I guess...

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Postby Falkasia » Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:25 pm

Nation Name: Falkasia
How long have you been on NationStates: Going on a little over a year and a handful of months.
Do you have a NationStates Draftroom Account: Yes.
What category would you like to teach (please limit to one or two): Military Storefronts (MT/Early PMT with a specialty regarding satellites), Resource/Business Storefronts (MT, once again.)
Personal Example in that category: I think you've bought from UDS before.
Amount of time you could spend teaching people: As much or as little as needed, depending on how quickly a person gets the concept
Comments: Most designs on UDS are that of my partner Daiwiz. 99% of what he has is modified RL equipment, except the GKT-series of modular vehicles and the Swingradt Amphibious Jeep thingy. My designs, which number less than 10, are all original makes by me. I'd be able to show new members how easier it is to spot a pirated design, as well as how rewarding the creation of a best-selling custom design can be.
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Falkasia wrote:Nation Name: Falkasia
How long have you been on NationStates: Going on a little over a year and a handful of months.
Do you have a NationStates Draftroom Account: Yes.
What category would you like to teach (please limit to one or two): Military Storefronts (MT/Early PMT with a specialty regarding satellites), Resource/Business Storefronts (MT, once again.)
Personal Example in that category: I think you've bought from UDS before.
Amount of time you could spend teaching people: As much or as little as needed, depending on how quickly a person gets the concept
Comments: Most designs on UDS are that of my partner Daiwiz. 99% of what he has is modified RL equipment, except the GKT-series of modular vehicles and the Swingradt Amphibious Jeep thingy. My designs, which number less than 10, are all original makes by me. I'd be able to show new members how easier it is to spot a pirated design, as well as how rewarding the creation of a best-selling custom design can be.



I know how experienced falk is, and yes, I've bought from you. I'll add you to the list. If I can get someone for that last category, I can make the thread.
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Postby Valipac » Fri Jul 24, 2009 10:00 pm

Seculartopia wrote:
Augmark wrote:I think we should let people do as they wish (within reason), and let trends be trends. Trends exist everywhere, not just in nationstates. I do however think that storefront coaching could be a good idea, for those who don't know where to begin

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If i approved all of my weapons through the NS Draftroom, it would take forever for me to reach a compromise with a design on them. I have customers waiting for their orders! :geek:

So it's better to leave the possibility open that you are giving them an unrealistic product that will have them ignored in an RP?
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Nation Name: Republic of Jeuna
How long have you been on NationStates: On a handful of accounts since late 05
Do you have a NationStates Draftroom Account: Yes
What category would you like to teach (please limit to one or two): Insurgency/survival, and chemical weapons
Personal Example in that category: Jeunese Parliamentary Warfare Committee Catalogue, note toward bottom for chem warfare
Amount of time you could spend teaching people each week: It depends on how many people are interested I guess
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Seculartopia wrote:
Augmark wrote:I think we should let people do as they wish (within reason), and let trends be trends. Trends exist everywhere, not just in nationstates. I do however think that storefront coaching could be a good idea, for those who don't know where to begin

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If i approved all of my weapons through the NS Draftroom, it would take forever for me to reach a compromise with a design on them. I have customers waiting for their orders! :geek:


To sacrifice quantity for quality is to go out of business. Why would people continue to patronise your storefront if what they got was rubbish (they won't)?
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Nation Name: Valipac
How long have you been on NationStates: ~2.5 years now? Original nation was founded March 15, 2007 and still exists
Do you have a NationStates Draftroom Account: Yes, and I'm quite active there
What category would you like to teach (please limit to one or two):MT Military storefronts
Personal Example in that category: ValiKampf, still rather wipish in terms of all the products, but it's better than a far number of storefonts here.
Amount of time you could spend teaching people: Same as Jeuna, I can teach more or less depending on the number of students and how willing they are to actually learn
Comments: Realism is always better than extra sales.
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Postby Astholm » Sat Jul 25, 2009 5:18 am

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How long have you been on NationStates: Since January 2009
Do you have a NationStates Draftroom Account: No. I will get one soon
What category would you like to teach (please limit to one or two): Commercial Storefronts - once I've learned it.
Personal Example in that category: Celsan Motors Storefront (is this good?)
Amount of time you could spend teaching people: 30 - 60 minutes
Comments: I need to learn this. I do have a fair few puppets used for trading, but these act independently of this nation, and (here, anyway, off-site it's different) do not have alliances with them.
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Founded: Jan 13, 2005
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Re: ooc: proposal for improving this forum

Postby Machina Haruspex » Sat Jul 25, 2009 9:33 am

Nation Name: Machina Haruspex
How long have you been on NationStates: Since January 2005, I've only had one nation.
Do you have a NationStates Draftroom Account: No. It may sound a bit off, but I'm not sure what it is.
What category would you like to teach (please limit to one or two): I am equally balanced between FT and MT.
Personal Example in that category: Haruspex International Armaments for the MT. My FT experience has been limited to role-play via Jethnea region.
Amount of time you could spend teaching people: If I had to, 30 - 60 minutes
Comments: This might be beneficial. So here it is.
Ranked 97th in the world for Largest Arms Manufacturing Sector.
Ranked 114th in the world for Largest Manufacturing Sector
Marshite Military Assessment: VI



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