Protestors smear swastika on Arizona Capital

[Greed and Death]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36778647/ns ... ite_house/

Basically protesters over the Arizona illegal immigration law smeared re-fried beans in the shape of a swastika.

So a few questions for you NSG.
First Do you feel the Nazi reference is justified(put aside all issues of vandalism if any, please) ?
If so why ?

Also if you feel the Nazi reference is justified, do you feel it was justified during the debate over the health care bill?
If no why not ?

Lastly, so everyone can join in the conversation, compare why or why not you find it justified/unjustified in one case/ but is/ is not in the other?

[EvilDarkMagicians]

Well I can see some weird faint connections in both protests.

But not enough to use it in a debate.

No I don't think it was justified in either.

[Fartsniffage]

My first thought when I read about the Arizona bill was the scene in every WW2 movie where the German guard says "Papers please" in an outragious German accent so I can see where the Nazi comparisons come from.

What the bill proposes isn't facism when seen alone but it does seem to typify a trend in the US to a much more authoritarian government system. One that strangely seems to be being lead by the right, the old proponents of freedom and personal liberty.

[Risottia]

No, definitely not Nazi. Actually it can help countering the exploitation of illegal immigration.

from the link in the OP:

The measure — set to take effect in late July or early August — would make it a crime under state law to be in the U.S. illegally.

I find curious that the State of Arizona can prosecute being in the US illegally. I would find more proper that Arizona prosecuted being in Arizona illegally, and the federal laws prosecuted being in the US illegally (which includes being in the US illegally, but not in Arizona).
It's just like... dunno, Italian law stating that being in France illegally is a crime: one would say, it's not Italy's business, it's France's.

[Kushtor]

Godwin's Law spreads into the material world?

[Greed and Death]

No, definitely not Nazi. Actually it can help countering the exploitation of illegal immigration.

from the link in the OP:

The measure — set to take effect in late July or early August — would make it a crime under state law to be in the U.S. illegally.

I find curious that the State of Arizona can prosecute being in the US illegally. I would find more proper that Arizona prosecuted being in Arizona illegally, and the federal laws prosecuted being in the US illegally (which includes being in the US illegally, but not in Arizona).
It's just like... dunno, Italian law stating that being in France illegally is a crime: one would say, it's not Italy's business, it's France's.

The federal government Criminalize marijuana, many states also criminalize Marijuana. Same difference really so long as the laws do not conflict.

[Risottia]

No, definitely not Nazi. Actually it can help countering the exploitation of illegal immigration.

from the link in the OP:

The measure — set to take effect in late July or early August — would make it a crime under state law to be in the U.S. illegally.

I find curious that the State of Arizona can prosecute being in the US illegally. I would find more proper that Arizona prosecuted being in Arizona illegally, and the federal laws prosecuted being in the US illegally (which includes being in the US illegally, but not in Arizona).
It's just like... dunno, Italian law stating that being in France illegally is a crime: one would say, it's not Italy's business, it's France's.

The federal government Criminalize marijuana, many states also criminalize Marijuana. Same difference really so long as the laws do not conflict.

I think I didn't make my point clearly enough...
Taking the marijuana example, why should Arizona make smoking pot in Illinois illegal? It's outside the Arizona jurisdiction, right?

[The Black Plains]

Refried beans lmao hahahaha nice! Yea it was uncalled for, because yaknow the same people that did this would screech when pelosi is called a nazi. Plus they're not doing anything nazi-esque lmao. No they aren't "deporting citizens like the Jews" they are keeping illegals in check. People who got in ILLEGALLY... but anyway this was obviously performed by a liberal cabal of doom and mayhem. Arrest the perpetrators!

[Greed and Death]

No, definitely not Nazi. Actually it can help countering the exploitation of illegal immigration.

from the link in the OP:

The measure — set to take effect in late July or early August — would make it a crime under state law to be in the U.S. illegally.

I find curious that the State of Arizona can prosecute being in the US illegally. I would find more proper that Arizona prosecuted being in Arizona illegally, and the federal laws prosecuted being in the US illegally (which includes being in the US illegally, but not in Arizona).
It's just like... dunno, Italian law stating that being in France illegally is a crime: one would say, it's not Italy's business, it's France's.

The federal government Criminalize marijuana, many states also criminalize Marijuana. Same difference really so long as the laws do not conflict.

I think I didn't make my point clearly enough...
Taking the marijuana example, why should Arizona make smoking pot in Illinois illegal? It's outside the Arizona jurisdiction, right?

Arizona is within the US, they have no intention of enforcing it outside their jurisdiction. At least I hope. (checks behind back) are those Arizona highway patrolmen following me ?

[Andaluciae]

Fried...beans...

...

[Afrikaner Republics]

I've always been under the impression that as soon as one side is forced to make Nazi comparisons it means their argument doesn't hold water and they've lost.

[Gift-of-god]

Plus they're not doing anything nazi-esque lmao. No they aren't "deporting citizens like the Jews" they are keeping illegals in check. People who got in ILLEGALLY...

Actually, US government authorities are deporting citizens of the US.

Linky.

Linky.

Linky.

They are doing it based on race; i.e. they are deporting Hispanics.

So, a comparison can be made. Fortunately, the US is not nearly as far gone as Nazi Germany.

[Pythria]

I've always been under the impression that as soon as one side is forced to make Nazi comparisons it means their argument doesn't hold water and they've lost.

^This.
As for the people saying it's wrong and inhumane, it's called illegal immigration for a reason. If immigrants were visa-carrying, taxpaying, approved citizens, they wouldn't be illegal, now would they?

[Risottia]

No, definitely not Nazi. Actually it can help countering the exploitation of illegal immigration.

from the link in the OP:

The measure — set to take effect in late July or early August — would make it a crime under state law to be in the U.S. illegally.

I find curious that the State of Arizona can prosecute being in the US illegally. I would find more proper that Arizona prosecuted being in Arizona illegally, and the federal laws prosecuted being in the US illegally (which includes being in the US illegally, but not in Arizona).
It's just like... dunno, Italian law stating that being in France illegally is a crime: one would say, it's not Italy's business, it's France's.

The federal government Criminalize marijuana, many states also criminalize Marijuana. Same difference really so long as the laws do not conflict.

I think I didn't make my point clearly enough...
Taking the marijuana example, why should Arizona make smoking pot in Illinois illegal? It's outside the Arizona jurisdiction, right?

Arizona is within the US, they have no intention of enforcing it outside their jurisdiction. At least I hope. (checks behind back) are those Arizona highway patrolmen following me ?

No.

The Texas Rangers are, though.

...caaause the eyeeees of Rangeeers aare upoooon youuuu....

[The Celestial Union]

Godwin's Law spreads into the material world?

Pretty much this
And a waste of refried beans.

[Farnhamia]

My first thought when I read about the Arizona bill was the scene in every WW2 movie where the German guard says "Papers please" in an outragious German accent so I can see where the Nazi comparisons come from.

What the bill proposes isn't facism when seen alone but it does seem to typify a trend in the US to a much more authoritarian government system. One that strangely seems to be being lead by the right, the old proponents of freedom and personal liberty.

^This. Using beans is a nice touch.

[Hathradic States]

The swastika is way out of bloody line.

After all, it not exactly like we are rounding them up and throwing them in death camps. (Evil joke goes through head).


Making somebody into Nazis is just as bad making them into commies

[The Celestial Union]

Fried...beans...

...

That's gonna leave a stain *nod*

[JuNii]

No, definitely not Nazi. Actually it can help countering the exploitation of illegal immigration.

from the link in the OP:

The measure — set to take effect in late July or early August — would make it a crime under state law to be in the U.S. illegally.

I find curious that the State of Arizona can prosecute being in the US illegally. I would find more proper that Arizona prosecuted being in Arizona illegally, and the federal laws prosecuted being in the US illegally (which includes being in the US illegally, but not in Arizona).
It's just like... dunno, Italian law stating that being in France illegally is a crime: one would say, it's not Italy's business, it's France's.

The federal government Criminalize marijuana, many states also criminalize Marijuana. Same difference really so long as the laws do not conflict.

I think I didn't make my point clearly enough...
Taking the marijuana example, why should Arizona make smoking pot in Illinois illegal? It's outside the Arizona jurisdiction, right?

I believe that it's worded to cover if an Illegal comes in through Texas and then crosses into Arizona. I wonder what kind of proof they will accept tho?

[Farnhamia]

The swastika is way out of bloody line.

After all, it not exactly like we are rounding them up and throwing them in death camps. (Evil joke goes through head).


Making somebody into Nazis is just as bad making them into commies

The Nazis are the standard "oppressive totalitarian government" ogres. Much easier than figuring out your opponents actual political ideaology.

[Greed and Death]

No, definitely not Nazi. Actually it can help countering the exploitation of illegal immigration.

from the link in the OP:

The measure — set to take effect in late July or early August — would make it a crime under state law to be in the U.S. illegally.

I find curious that the State of Arizona can prosecute being in the US illegally. I would find more proper that Arizona prosecuted being in Arizona illegally, and the federal laws prosecuted being in the US illegally (which includes being in the US illegally, but not in Arizona).
It's just like... dunno, Italian law stating that being in France illegally is a crime: one would say, it's not Italy's business, it's France's.

The federal government Criminalize marijuana, many states also criminalize Marijuana. Same difference really so long as the laws do not conflict.

I think I didn't make my point clearly enough...
Taking the marijuana example, why should Arizona make smoking pot in Illinois illegal? It's outside the Arizona jurisdiction, right?

I believe that it's worded to cover if an Illegal comes in through Texas and then crosses into Arizona. I wonder what kind of proof they will accept tho?

If they suspect such and such is illegal they cross check with the federal database of know illegals and bogus social security numbers and the like. I had access to the list when I was in the army, Id randomly add people I didn't like to the list and laugh as they got deported.

[Free Kanadian Refugees]

One that strangely seems to be being lead by the right, the old proponents of freedom and personal liberty.

That's because they want everyone to be free so much, they take away freedom. Think about it: You give one group the freedom to say and do almost anything they want, while taking away the freedom of another group to speak out against it.

Also, the right is full of hypocritical old people.

[Tiesabre]

I've always been under the impression that as soon as one side is forced to make Nazi comparisons it means their argument doesn't hold water and they've lost.

^This.
As for the people saying it's wrong and inhumane, it's called illegal immigration for a reason. If immigrants were visa-carrying, taxpaying, approved citizens, they wouldn't be illegal, now would they?

The argument goes completely over your head, doesn't it?

[Natapoc]

The implication is quite correct. Arizona is furthering fascism in America. I hope the people of america are ready for a crime wave like never before seen: That is what happens when you let a large minority population know they are not welcome as part of the majority.

I'm just sorry they wasted perfectly good beans for it.

[Tiesabre]

What some don't get it that people are worried about the legal people.

As much as people say "If you don't have anything to hid, why worry?" Well, then the cops should always been able to break down your door to your home and search your house because 'You shouldn't have a problem if you have nothing to hide.'