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Postby Maltropia » Sat Mar 24, 2018 5:47 pm

I feel like a 13-year old putting so much of the title in caps, but sometimes needs must. Those of you who have been following/glancing at/subconsciously aware of the stickied thread "What improvements would you like to see for GE&T?" are likely familiar with the 'tag' system we're proposing to introduce. For those of you who aren't, here is a brief summary of the premise and purpose of such a system.

There are a lot of storefronts. A quick search of the subforum reveals that, on average, we get about 2,500 new threads each year — about six a day — and will most likely pass 20,000 threads by the end of 2018. Many of these storefronts are inactive but not closed; if you post in a storefront from 2013, if the owner is active he might still reply. The content on GE&T is a lot deeper than just what appears on pages one to five. There are many, many products out there, and some concepts have only been tried once or twice. This can make storefronts and products hard to find.

Search tags are a way to categorise storefronts by what they sell, to enable potential customers to sift through the thousands of storefronts and other threads to find what they're interested in. By listing a handful (no more than three to five, maybe) of generalised tags, you simplify the search so that it lists only most relevant storefronts.

Why is this an improvement over the current system? Let me offer two examples, the first of which is needlessly wordy. I'm sorry, I just like hot dogs.

Suppose I run a hot dog storefront. I sell hot dogs and nothing else. I repeatedly refer to my storefront's hot dogs throughout the text. At no point do I refer to other forms of fast food, and at no point do I refer to them as 'fast food.' After an initial run of success, my storefront sits inactive for a few weeks due to lack of customers. Later, someone else decides he wants to populate his country with foreign fast-food outlets. He browses the first few pages of the subforum and finds a couple of falafel joints. He then goes to the search box and types 'fast food.' He finds a few storefronts (but not mine). He searches again, this time for 'burger.' Again, mine is not among the results. Long story short: I miss out on a potential customer because I didn't make use of keywords.

Example number two also depends on words. Suppose I, being a bit of an eejit, search for the term 'market capitalisation.' I get a handful of results. If I were to search for 'market capitalization' as well I'd get all the people who use that spelling, but I don't think to do it. I miss out on dozens of potential partners. A standardised search term means everything is included.


There are other arguments for tags, but I'm not going to make them here. I don't really need to, and consensus already seems to be leaning in favour of them. It's not the reason for this thread.

We're looking for your opinions on the current (provisional) list of tags. There are a lot of them, and I think it would be nice to reduce the clutter if at all possible. However, I'm not sure which to cut, if any, and it might be that they're all worth keeping. The list is lengthy and includes some overlapping tags. We also expect that many storefronts will use multiple tags, often because they sell multiple kinds of product.

We want recommendations and thoughts. This is not a vote. Nothing said in this thread should be considered final or binding unless it actually should be. I am a master of disclaimers. It takes the form of a ballot where you state whether we should either Keep or Drop each tag, on its own merits and/or within the context of the list as a whole. A brief explanation of each tag follows. To save time, assume 'for storefronts which' begins every explanation.

  • mil.arms — … sell small arms, specifically. This was not intended as a catch-all 'arms industry' tag.
  • mil.ground — … provide ground equipment for militaries, including land vehicles, artillery and so on and so forth.
  • mil.air — … provide military aircraft and systems, including the weapons used.
  • mil.naval — … provide military ships and other craft and naval systems, including the weapons used. In addition to naval shipwrights, expect vendors of torpedoes and the like to wind up here.
  • mil.med — … provide medical equipment and material geared toward a military clientele.
  • mil.WMD — … sell weapons of mass destruction, since Kyrusia's not available for hire.
  • mil.merc — … provide mercenary services; not merely the traditional 'army for hire' of the PMC but potentially also drone contractors and other concepts. Private (civilian) security might also fall here, to keep it simple.
  • mil.conglom — … do a little bit of everything in the military realm. This tag helps to avoid the clutter from adding 3+ military tags... though you might still want those other tags, too.
  • civ.space — … offer space-related services, such as satellites, launch systems and
  • civ.med — … offer healthcare services and products, including pharmaceuticals and medical equipment.
  • civ.energy — … provide energy, particularly as operators/builders/installers of power plants (e.g. nuclear, coal), wind turbines, solar panels and so on. This could also easily include the ubiquitous oil industry.
  • civ.green — … offer 'green technology,' environmentally-friendly and -focussed products, such as solar panels, carbon-neutral building design and whatever else might be appropriate.
  • civ.resource — … extract, process and/or sell natural resources such as stone, minerals, timber, fish and others. The oil industry would be right at home here.
  • civ.tech — … offer 'technology'-related goods and services. This is likely to be a very flexible tag, no matter how rigorously we define it, but presume for now that it includes computer systems
  • civ.transport — … manufacture and/or sell trains, planes and automobiles, trucks, ferries and so on, or offer transport services. This might include railways, bus networks, harbours and airports. I don't really know. Send help.
  • civ.airline — … belong/pertain to airlines. Ronseal.
  • civ.conglom — … offer a range of products/services not covered by their other tags. This might be a catch-all addition to the three tags you already have so that you don't hit eight.
  • civ.finance — … offer banking, insurance or other financial services.
  • civ.accredit — … offer accrediting services. This would include in-character storefront-rating storefronts, ecofriendliness assessors and anything else that offers official accreditation.
  • civ.vice — … sell or offer 'vices,' to include drugs, prostitution, cigarettes, alcohol and gambling (within site rules).
  • civ.retail — … are in the retail industry, which includes department stores, supermarkets, jewellers, florists and just about any shop where you can walk in, buy a thing and carry it out.
  • civ.food — … sell food and drink, more or less, to include restaurants, fast food outlets, supermarkets, wholesalers, food producers and many more. If your storefront involves food (or drink), this tag might be appropriate.
  • civ.entertain — … provide entertainment for the masses. This might include sellers of video game software and hardware, cinemas and film studios, broadcasters, magazines etc. Consider 'entertainment industry,' as a term.
  • MTech — … employ a primarily/exclusively Modern Tech setting. This describes the overwhelming majority of storefronts and is probably not tremendously necessary.
  • PMTech — … cater to the Post-Modern Tech community. Definitions can and will vary.
  • FTech — … cater to the Future Tech community. Spaceships and laser beams are expected, as are planetary terraformers, wormhole-operators and armour-plated Tyrannosauri.
  • FanTech — … cater to the Fantasy Tech community. Magic may or may not be involved.
  • PTech — … cater to the Past Tech community, and may be set in just about any year pre-1970 and all the way through classical antiquity. It's probably best to be explicit here.
  • slave.trade — … are involved in the slave trade, whether as vendors or buyers or something else.
  • GET.govt — … belong to government institutions, presumably excluding state-owned enterprises (lest certain economic systems classify everything as govt).
  • trade.org — is not so much for storefronts as for trade-promoting (or -controlling) organisations, institutions and agreements; IMFs, FTAs, monetary unions and whatever else comes to mind.
  • GET.misc — … provide goods or services not covered by the above tags, I guess.
  • GET.accredited — … have received official accreditation from an accrediting storefront, per civ.accredit above.

If anything of this remains unclear, feel free to ask for clarification! This is new to all of us, and we're here to help you puzzle through it.

Think we missed a must-have? Feel free to suggest it. This is both a survey and a discussion; as nothing here is binding, it's not going to overly throw off our results if we add 'civ.panda' halfway through.

A blank ballot is below. Please fill it out!

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[pre]mil.arms          [ ] KEEP  [ ] DROP
mil.ground        [ ] KEEP  [ ] DROP
mil.air           [ ] KEEP  [ ] DROP
mil.naval         [ ] KEEP  [ ] DROP
mil.med           [ ] KEEP  [ ] DROP
mil.conglom       [ ] KEEP  [ ] DROP
mil.WMD           [ ] KEEP  [ ] DROP
mil.merc          [ ] KEEP  [ ] DROP
civ.space         [ ] KEEP  [ ] DROP
civ.med           [ ] KEEP  [ ] DROP
civ.energy        [ ] KEEP  [ ] DROP
civ.green         [ ] KEEP  [ ] DROP
civ.resource      [ ] KEEP  [ ] DROP
civ.tech          [ ] KEEP  [ ] DROP
civ.transport     [ ] KEEP  [ ] DROP
civ.airline       [ ] KEEP  [ ] DROP
civ.conglom       [ ] KEEP  [ ] DROP
civ.finance       [ ] KEEP  [ ] DROP
civ.accredit      [ ] KEEP  [ ] DROP
civ.vice          [ ] KEEP  [ ] DROP
civ.retail        [ ] KEEP  [ ] DROP
civ.food          [ ] KEEP  [ ] DROP
civ.entertain     [ ] KEEP  [ ] DROP
MTech             [ ] KEEP  [ ] DROP
PMTech            [ ] KEEP  [ ] DROP
FTech             [ ] KEEP  [ ] DROP
FanTech           [ ] KEEP  [ ] DROP
PTech             [ ] KEEP  [ ] DROP
slave.trade       [ ] KEEP  [ ] DROP
trade.org         [ ] KEEP  [ ] DROP
GET.govt          [ ] KEEP  [ ] DROP
GET.misc          [ ] KEEP  [ ] DROP
GET.accredited    [ ] KEEP  [ ] DROP[/pre]

[You are also very much encouraged to provide thoughts on any/all of these tags, or to propose more if you think they're merited. Thank you!]




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Postby Nikolia » Sat Mar 24, 2018 6:48 pm

I'd say this is pretty good idea. I have three things to add/suggest/you name it:
- A tag for hospitality industry, maybe... civ.hosp? It'd basically cover hotels (and the other variations), resorts, restaurants(?) and cafes
- A tag for construction companies, does any existing tag cover that?
- I'd say that we split airports from civ.transport and just make its own tag, if airline has a tag, airport deserves one as well.

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Postby Valkea » Sat Mar 24, 2018 10:47 pm

mil.arms          [x] KEEP  [ ] DROP
mil.ground [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.air [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.naval [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.med [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.conglom [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.WMD [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.merc [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.space [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.med [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.energy [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.green [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.resource [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.tech [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.transport [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.airline [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.conglom [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.finance [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.accredit [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.vice [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.retail [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.food [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.entertain [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
MTech [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
PMTech [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
FTech [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
FanTech [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
PTech [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
slave.trade [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
trade.org [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
GET.govt [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
GET.misc [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
GET.accredited [x] KEEP [ ] DROP


Now, time for some two cents.

There should be a tag for service-based storefronts (civ.service) to cover those that aren't already covered by civ.food, civ.entertain, civ.vice or civ.finance. I'm surprised there isn't that for stuff like hotels, resorts, casinos, or real estate. Of course, you could theoretically split off the hotel and resort stuff into something like civ.tourism or a similar tag, but I think someone already beat me to it.

Another tag that could be implemented would be for infrastructure (civ.infra) for storefronts specializing in stuff like airports, seaports, and rail networks. This might partially solve the issue that civ.transport has with its purview, maybe. Send more help.

As for civ.tech I think the general understanding of it would be storefronts specializing in consumer electronics, though storefronts specializing in manufacturing electronic parts can be included as well.
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Postby Lamoni » Sun Mar 25, 2018 1:55 am

As one of the people involved in this project, I affirm that your responses will all be taken into account, and that we would like to receive viewpoints from all across GE&T on this important matter.
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Postby The Corparation » Sun Mar 25, 2018 2:22 am

While I'm not active on GE&T much since both of my attempts at an aerospace store front failed miserably due to my own lack of time/effort*, I do have a couple minor suggestions Instead of just "mil.air" for military aircraft, change it to something more descriptive like "mil.aero" for aerospace. Or add "mil.aero" in addition to "mil.air". ** Reason for this being that there's a lot of military aerospace things a storefront might have besides aircraft and bombs. Satellites, and missiles for example.

"mil.space" would also be nice for more specific military space stuff.
"mil.log" for logistical military stuff might also be a good one

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Postby Corindia » Sun Mar 25, 2018 9:44 am

I'd like to see tags for buying vs selling as well, to be able to find design competitions more easily

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Postby Common Territories » Sun Mar 25, 2018 10:06 am

Just getting on today, though I've been too busy to really do much the past few months on NS so I figure it's better to respond now rather than forget later (as evident of my storefront activities these days lol - at least I still answer orders...). Overall I like the idea a lot and im happy to have as many tags as possible so that every storefront isn't left out - getting more coverage and a higher level of categorization would be interesting to see for GE&T. I don't think I can think up any tags right now, but I'd encourage people to come up with more tags if needed so we can find enough coverage for every possible storefront/product types.

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Postby Ionicus » Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:30 pm

I am rather fond of this idea. I do think that Nikolia and The Corparation's tag suggestions should be used. I would also like to see the GET.misc tag split into civ.misc and mil.misc.
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Postby Hindia Belanda » Wed Mar 28, 2018 3:05 am

I've got nothing to add to what has already been said in this thread, except that I agree with nik's suggestions. I do plan on starting a storefront that would fall under the arts and publishing category sometime in the near future, though I'm unsure whether it alone justifies the addition of a new tag (perhaps it's covered by the civ.entertain or GET.misc tags already?).

I vote to keep all proposed tags in the OP.
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Postby The Federation of Kendor » Wed Mar 28, 2018 5:40 am

I agree with all of the proposals

mil.arms          [X] KEEP  [ ] DROP
mil.ground [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.air [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.naval [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.med [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.conglom [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.WMD [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.merc [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.space [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.med [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.energy [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.green [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.resource [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.tech [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.transport [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.airline [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.conglom [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.finance [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.accredit [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.vice [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.retail [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.food [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.entertain [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
MTech [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
PMTech [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
FTech [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
FanTech [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
PTech [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
slave.trade [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
trade.org [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
GET.govt [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
GET.misc [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
GET.accredited [X] KEEP [ ] DROP


[You are also very much encouraged to provide thoughts on any/all of these tags, or to propose more if you think they're merited. Thank you!]
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Postby The Technocratic Syndicalists » Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:16 pm

The Corparation wrote:While I'm not active on GE&T much since both of my attempts at an aerospace store front failed miserably due to my own lack of time/effort*, I do have a couple minor suggestions Instead of just "mil.air" for military aircraft, change it to something more descriptive like "mil.aero" for aerospace. Or add "mil.aero" in addition to "mil.air". ** Reason for this being that there's a lot of military aerospace things a storefront might have besides aircraft and bombs. Satellites, and missiles for example.

"mil.space" would also be nice for more specific military space stuff.
"mil.log" for logistical military stuff might also be a good one

*I've since resorted to the much simpler and informal: "Hey can I use your thing?" -someone, "Sure" -me form of international arms dealing.
**If years of reading doujins has taught me anything, it's that there's no such thing as too many tags


I second this

mil.arms          [X] KEEP  [ ] DROP
mil.ground [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.air [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.naval [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.med [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.conglom [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.WMD [ ] KEEP [X] DROP
mil.merc [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.space [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.med [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.energy [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.green [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.resource [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.tech [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.transport [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.airline [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.conglom [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.finance [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.accredit [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.vice [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.retail [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.food [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.entertain [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
MTech [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
PMTech [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
FTech [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
FanTech [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
PTech [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
slave.trade [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
trade.org [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
GET.govt [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
GET.misc [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
GET.accredited [X] KEEP [ ] DROP


WMD should just be rolled into whatever relevant mil.arms/ground/air/naval etc categories.
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Postby Romelliano » Fri Mar 30, 2018 11:47 pm

mil.arms          [ X] KEEP  [ ] DROP
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mil.air [ X] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.naval [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.med [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.conglom [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.WMD [ ] KEEP [X] DROP
mil.merc [X ] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.space [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.med [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.energy [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.green [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.resource [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.tech [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.transport [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.airline [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.conglom [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.finance [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.accredit [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.vice [ ] KEEP [X] DROP
civ.retail [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.food [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.entertain [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
MTech [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
PMTech [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
FTech [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
FanTech [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
PTech [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
slave.trade [ ] KEEP [X] DROP
trade.org [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
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Postby Xencovia » Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:18 am

mil.arms          [x] KEEP  [ ] DROP
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mil.air [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.naval [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.med [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.conglom [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.WMD [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.merc [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.space [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.med [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.energy [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.green [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
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civ.transport [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.airline [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.conglom [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.finance [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.accredit [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.vice [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.retail [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.food [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.entertain [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
MTech [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
PMTech [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
FTech [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
FanTech [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
PTech [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
slave.trade [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
trade.org [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
GET.govt [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
GET.misc [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
GET.accredited [x] KEEP [ ] DROP


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Postby New Transeurasia » Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:25 pm

mil.arms          [X] KEEP  [ ] DROP
mil.ground [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.air [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.naval [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.med [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.conglom [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.WMD [ ] KEEP [X] DROP - make this part of mil.air(Most WMDs are missiles or nukes dropped from air vehicles)
mil.merc [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.space [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.med [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.energy [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.green [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.resource [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.tech [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.transport [X] KEEP [ ] DROP - Don't keep under same definition. I think the definition should be any kind of
transportation service, for example an airline or bus charter service.
civ.airline [ ] KEEP [X] DROP - Move to civ.transport
civ.conglom [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.finance [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.accredit [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.vice [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.retail [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.food [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.entertain [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
Add civ.hotel(For hotels)
Add civ.group(For groups owning multiple subsidiaries)
Add civ.vehicle(For vehicle manufacturing)
Add civ.weapon(For weapons manufacturing)
MTech [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
PMTech [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
FTech [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
FanTech [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
PTech [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
Add FFTech(Far Future Tech)
slave.trade [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
trade.org [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
GET.govt [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
GET.misc [ ] KEEP [X] DROP - Split into civ.misc, mil.misc, and MiscTech
GET.accredited [X] KEEP [ ] DROP


[You are also very much encouraged to provide thoughts on any/all of these tags, or to propose more if you think they're merited. Thank you!]
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Postby Neu Engollon » Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:24 pm

mil.arms          [x] KEEP  [ ] DROP
mil.ground [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.air [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.naval [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.med [ ] KEEP [x] DROP - Really? There's a need for this? Way too niche and usually military medical is found on military storefronts that retail other military staples.
mil.conglom [ ] KEEP [x] DROP - Again - Why? If it's a conglomerate, it likely has civilian divisions.
mil.WMD [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.merc [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.space [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.med [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.energy [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.green [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.resource [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.tech [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.transport [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.airline [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.conglom [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.finance [ ] KEEP [x] DROP = Too vague. A lot of this forum is finance. civ.bank maybe?
civ.accredit [ ] KEEP [x] DROP - we don't need this highly subjective opinion

civ.vice [ ] KEEP [x] DROP -subjectively prejudicial. I don't have much opinion on the rest of those under that category, but you could certainly lump more in, but also remove many considering cultural differences. Also, I continue the stance that alcohol should be a beverage, the same as soft drinks, tea, coffee, etc. So some superstition suggests that alcohol is bad and we should all subscribe to that? No thanks. In any case, I will be using the tag of civ.bev and encouraging other beverage enterprises to do so, regardless of its official acceptance.

civ.retail [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.food [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.entertain [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
MTech [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
PMTech [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
FTech [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
FanTech [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
PTech [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
slave.trade [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
trade.org [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
GET.govt [ ] KEEP [x] DROP
GET.misc [ ] KEEP [x] DROP - So, anything? Sounds like it just needs better categorization
GET.accredited [ ] KEEP [x] DROP - definitely don't need this redundancy of something that's already a bad idea when we're lacking certain other categories.


SUGGESTIONS:

civ.pet - all pet care, pet supplies, pet nutrition, and the actual retail of pets - many would argue that pets make life worth living, why are we excluding them?

civ.bev - Bring on the beverages! This would cover all liquids consumed by sentient beings, but for popular examples: soft drinks, tea, coffee, wine, beer, mead, liquor, energy drinks, protein shakes, and of course...water (flavored or natural) - water is life

civ.hospit(ality) - will cover more than just hotels, but travel agencies and other hospitality aspects
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Postby Common Territories » Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:42 am

Neu Engollon wrote:
mil.arms          [x] KEEP  [ ] DROP
mil.ground [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.air [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.naval [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.med [ ] KEEP [x] DROP - Really? There's a need for this? Way too niche and usually military medical is found on military storefronts that retail other military staples.
mil.conglom [ ] KEEP [x] DROP - Again - Why? If it's a conglomerate, it likely has civilian divisions.
mil.WMD [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.merc [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.space [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.med [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.energy [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.green [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.resource [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.tech [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.transport [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.airline [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.conglom [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.finance [ ] KEEP [x] DROP = Too vague. A lot of this forum is finance. civ.bank maybe?
civ.accredit [ ] KEEP [x] DROP - we don't need this highly subjective opinion

civ.vice [ ] KEEP [x] DROP -subjectively prejudicial. I don't have much opinion on the rest of those under that category, but you could certainly lump more in, but also remove many considering cultural differences. Also, I continue the stance that alcohol should be a beverage, the same as soft drinks, tea, coffee, etc. So some superstition suggests that alcohol is bad and we should all subscribe to that? No thanks. In any case, I will be using the tag of civ.bev and encouraging other beverage enterprises to do so, regardless of its official acceptance.

civ.retail [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.food [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.entertain [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
MTech [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
PMTech [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
FTech [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
FanTech [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
PTech [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
slave.trade [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
trade.org [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
GET.govt [ ] KEEP [x] DROP
GET.misc [ ] KEEP [x] DROP - So, anything? Sounds like it just needs better categorization
GET.accredited [ ] KEEP [x] DROP - definitely don't need this redundancy of something that's already a bad idea when we're lacking certain other categories.


SUGGESTIONS:

civ.pet - all pet care, pet supplies, pet nutrition, and the actual retail of pets - many would argue that pets make life worth living, why are we excluding them?

civ.bev - Bring on the beverages! This would cover all liquids consumed by sentient beings, but for popular examples: soft drinks, tea, coffee, wine, beer, mead, liquor, energy drinks, protein shakes, and of course...water (flavored or natural) - water is life

civ.hospit(ality) - will cover more than just hotels, but travel agencies and other hospitality aspects

+1 this. Very needed :clap:

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Postby Kykid8 » Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:59 am

mil.arms          [x] KEEP  [ ] DROP
mil.ground [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.air [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.naval [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.med [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.conglom [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.WMD [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.merc [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.space [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.med [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.energy [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.green [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.resource [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.tech [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.transport [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.airline [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.conglom [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.finance [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.accredit [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.vice [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.retail [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.food [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.entertain [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
MTech [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
PMTech [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
FTech [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
FanTech [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
PTech [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
slave.trade [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
trade.org [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
GET.govt [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
GET.misc [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
GET.accredited [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
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Postby Merni » Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:57 am

Two questions:
1. Is there going to be a standardised way to include these tags? Because just searching "mil" (if you want to see all military storefronts, for example) will bring up a crapton of other things. Maybe prefix the tag with "!" or "$" or some symbol (for example mil.ground would become !mil.ground or $mil.ground. I chose $ because storefronts are for making money and the $ could represent the word storefront as well)

2. Why are all the non-military tags (barring a few) classified under "civilian"? I can't think of any situation where you would want to search for "all civilian storefronts". More categories could be made.

mil.arms          [X] KEEP  [ ] DROP
mil.ground [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.air [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.naval [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.med [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.conglom [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.WMD [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.merc [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.space [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.med [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.energy [ ] KEEP [X] DROP - you've included oil in civ.energy and civ.resource, the latter is probably better.
civ.green [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.resource [X] KEEP [ ] DROP - the name is not very appealing, but I can't think of an alternative.
civ.tech [ ] KEEP [X] DROP - too wide-rangine perhaps? Maybe civ.comm/civ.phone for communications (phones), civ.computer for computers, tablets, etc., and civ.tech for everything else.
civ.transport [X] KEEP [ ] DROP - Add civ.airport, it's really necessary
civ.airline [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.conglom [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.finance [ ] KEEP [X] DROP - civ.bank, civ.stock and civ.finance would be better, similar comment to civ.tech
civ.accredit [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.vice [X] KEEP [ ] DROP - Alcohol should be under civ.food, if the civ.bev proposal is not accepted, cigarettes could maybe be under something else (idk what though). The rest might be too small a field for a category of its own?
civ.retail [X] KEEP [ ] DROP - maybe too wide-ranging?
civ.food [X] KEEP [ ] DROP - there should be a civ.bev, as noted by another person
civ.entertain [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
MTech [X] KEEP [ ] DROP - But we should use the tags used in other forums - MT, PMT, PT, FT, FanT. And these don't look good when they're the only single term ones. Maybe GET.PT, GET.MT, GET.PMT, GET.FT, GET.FanT
PMTech [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
FTech [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
FanTech [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
PTech [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
slave.trade [X] KEEP [ ] DROP - but maybe under civ or GET? This doesn't really need a category of its own.
trade.org [X] KEEP [ ] DROP - but as GET.tradeorg. There should be a GET.orgmember or something as well.
GET.govt [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
GET.misc [ ] KEEP [X] DROP - civ.misc and mil.misc
GET.accredited [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
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Postby Kyrusia » Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:18 pm

Merni wrote:Two questions:
1. Is there going to be a standardised way to include these tags? Because just searching "mil" (if you want to see all military storefronts, for example) will bring up a crapton of other things. Maybe prefix the tag with "!" or "$" or some symbol (for example mil.ground would become !mil.ground or $mil.ground. I chose $ because storefronts are for making money and the $ could represent the word storefront as well)

You can search strictly for included content as so:
Code: Select all
"mil.air"

for example. Use of indicative triggers ("!", "$", etc.) was previously tested, and was the original plan, but contemporaneous testing proved to cause difficulties.


Merni wrote:but maybe under civ or GET? This doesn't really need a category of its own.

This was previously discussed. It was discarded due to the... somewhat amusing, but not necessarily in a good way, appearance of "GET.slaves".

Merni wrote:But we should use the tags used in other forums - MT, PMT, PT, FT, FanT. And these don't look good when they're the only single term ones. Maybe GET.PT, GET.MT, GET.PMT, GET.FT, GET.FanT

The search feature does not allow you to search for terms of two or less characters. A prefix could be used, but it boils down to purely an aesthetic issue if, say, "MTech" works. This, I would think, wouldn't be so much a concern given these tags are designed to be able to be hidden in the OP of the storefront. (Such as through small text.)
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Postby Tengania » Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:35 am

mil.arms          [x] KEEP  [ ] DROP
mil.ground [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.air [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.naval [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.med [x] KEEP [ ] DROP (may be confused with Medieval)
mil.conglom [x] KEEP [ ] DROP (should probably replace with mil.all or something easy to remember)
mil.WMD [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.merc [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.space [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.med [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.energy [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.green [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.resource [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.tech [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.transport [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.airline [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.entertain [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
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Postby Neu Engollon » Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:56 pm

How much support would there be for a civ.travel?

This would cover airlines, airports, hotels, travel agencies, rail and other related industries.
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Postby Nusalia » Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:57 pm

mil.arms          [x] KEEP  [ ] DROP
mil.ground [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.air [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.naval [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.med [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.conglom [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.WMD [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.merc [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.space [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.med [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.energy [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.green [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.resource [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.tech [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.transport [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.airline [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.conglom [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.finance [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.accredit [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.vice [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.retail [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.food [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.entertain [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
MTech [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
PMTech [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
FTech [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
FanTech [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
PTech [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
slave.trade [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
trade.org [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
GET.govt [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
GET.misc [x] KEEP [ ] DROP
GET.accredited [x] KEEP [ ] DROP


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Postby Techganet » Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:56 am

mil.arms          [X] KEEP  [ ] DROP
mil.ground [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.air [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.naval [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.med [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.conglom [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.WMD [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
mil.merc [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.space [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.med [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.energy [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.green [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.resource [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.tech [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.transport [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.airline [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.conglom [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.finance [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.accredit [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.vice [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.retail [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.food [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
civ.entertain [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
MTech [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
PMTech [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
FTech [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
FanTech [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
PTech [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
slave.trade [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
trade.org [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
GET.govt [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
GET.misc [X] KEEP [ ] DROP
GET.accredited [X] KEEP [ ] DROP


I would really like to see this idea being implemented. As someone else suggested, I think there should also be tags for buying and selling.
So far, it looks promising.

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Postby StarArmy » Sat Apr 28, 2018 1:06 pm

I suggest using a Google Docs poll or some sort of polling site for feedback, as it may be difficult to easily aggregate feedback for this question's responses.

All of the suggested tags seem OK to me.

Edit: Also I'd like to see a special tag for creators who use all-original content (e.g. the items they sell use their own artwork, not stuff grabbed from the web)
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