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NS PMC Guild (Industry Guild - OOC/Sign up)

Postby Neu Engollon » Sat Jun 01, 2013 3:36 pm

THE NATIONS STATES PMC GUILD

IC THREAD IS HERE

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There is a proliferation of PMCs and 'mercenary' companies out there, for better or worse. For the benefit of closer solidarity in the industry and for prospective clients shopping for PMC services, we have formed The Guild that licenses and bonds PMCs. There are standards in the form of a Charter that all members must sign. Also, we ask that our seal for the NSPMC Guild be put on all members storefronts that maintain one, enabling potential customers to see that and know that the company was properly licensed and recognized by the Guild. A member does not necessarily have to maintain a storefront, and RP links in lieu of a storefront are acceptable for admittance to the Guild.

The NSPMC Guild connects clients with PMCs, as well as encourages promotion of the PMC industry in general, both in an OOC and IC manner. Guild members are given preferential treatment when trying to assist potential clients that seek help here.

Some members base their operating regulations off WA legislation, (or say they do, anyway). We monitor the WA legislating and licensing situation, but leave it up to the discretion of members whether they choose to adhere to them. However, members found to be in violation of our Charter can face ejection and possible sanctions.

Questions towards any of the members or Guild operations can be directed and posted here, including who best to hire for certain operations or how to form your own NS PMC. If you must TG me, please try me at USG Security Corporation first, which I'm using for all PMC business, but if you need a prompter response than 2 days, go ahead and TG my main account. Thanks and enjoy!


Members


1. USG Security Corporation/Regiments

2. Axalon PMC

3. Shalumite Security International PMC

4. Xirvo Corporation

5. Salamander PSE

6. Thermopylae Solutions

7. Hawk Company PMC

8. Blackwood Company

9. Viking Tactical Aerospace Solutions

10. Bushido Solutions Ltd.
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Postby Aquitayne » Sat Jun 01, 2013 3:49 pm

I'd be interested in placing Axalon PMC within this Guild, as well as being a participant. The very WA bill you've cited is also cited within the OP of my own Storefront. Axalon tries to make everyone happy. Well, everyone except the people they're contracted against. ;)

EDIT: Oh, I see you've already put me in the OP! I feel special.
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Common Territories
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Postby Common Territories » Sat Jun 01, 2013 4:30 pm

Before I choose, who would head or run this guild? Second, what specifically will this guild be limiting that hasn't been stated above? Like specific things I would like to know.

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Postby Shalum » Sat Jun 01, 2013 4:30 pm

Shalumte Security International Private Mercenary Company is interested but we are currently under development but we would like to join.
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Neu Engollon
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Postby Neu Engollon » Sat Jun 01, 2013 4:32 pm

Aquitayne wrote:I'd be interested in placing Axalon PMC within this Guild, as well as being a participant. The very WA bill you've cited is also cited within the OP of my own Storefront. Axalon tries to make everyone happy. Well, everyone except the people they're contracted against. ;)

EDIT: Oh, I see you've already put me in the OP! I feel special.


Cool! Yes, I had you in mind, along with a few others, plus I glaringly left out some other poor RP examples and plagiarizers, but I'm sure they'll respond anyway. Then I will deal with that, leaning towards the side of tolerance right now.
The link you have for WA mercenary legislation is different from the one I'm referring. I was not aware of that one, plus it seems to have been dead stopped, held up by the author.
You can't make everybody happy all the time, am I right? :p
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Postby New Roman Empire » Sat Jun 01, 2013 4:34 pm

The Vordic Suns are interested
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Postby Aquitayne » Sat Jun 01, 2013 4:41 pm

Neu Engollon wrote:
Aquitayne wrote:I'd be interested in placing Axalon PMC within this Guild, as well as being a participant. The very WA bill you've cited is also cited within the OP of my own Storefront. Axalon tries to make everyone happy. Well, everyone except the people they're contracted against. ;)

EDIT: Oh, I see you've already put me in the OP! I feel special.


Cool! Yes, I had you in mind, along with a few others, plus I glaringly left out some other poor RP examples and plagiarizers, but I'm sure they'll respond anyway. Then I will deal with that, leaning towards the side of tolerance right now.
The link you have for WA mercenary legislation is different from the one I'm referring. I was not aware of that one, plus it seems to have been dead stopped, held up by the author.
You can't make everybody happy all the time, am I right? :p


Hmm, I guess that's why I tell myself not to assume things (even though I go off and do them anyway). Regardless, any WA-legislation this Guild decides to adhere to, Axalon will do so willingly.

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The Wheat Isles
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Postby The Wheat Isles » Sat Jun 01, 2013 5:58 pm

The Wheat Elite are interested in this agreement, as we are a growing PMC company ourselves. OOC wise, I'm going to try and spruce up my company's logo and add other stuff like what the typical Wheat elite soldier is like now that I just got Photoshop. I hope it at least works....

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Postby Neu Engollon » Sat Jun 01, 2013 9:09 pm

Common Territories wrote:Before I choose, who would head or run this guild? Second, what specifically will this guild be limiting that hasn't been stated above? Like specific things I would like to know.


The Guild would be run by quorum of all the members. Voting Yeah or Nay for agenda items to put together a charter, new rules, approve new members, vet new PMCs for guild membership, discuss new issues effecting the industry, and also helping to settle differences when two or more PMCs find themselves on opposite sides of a conflict.

The guild wouldn't be so much worrying about limiting anything, other than maybe bad RP - business or warmaking. Actual legislation and rule making is done by national governments and the WA resolutions that have been listed above.
Although, with the signing of a charter, members will agree to abide by certain guidelines or 'agreements', those that don't sign or are refused membership, do not get guild approval, so they are not vetted and...I don't know, miss out on potential business, but probably not even that. There's more than plenty of business to go around in II. The debatable quality of it is another matter.

So...Great, glad to hear you all have some interest. I will list people up in the OP. Eventually I will get to making an IC thread, with a working draft of a charter for all to sign, maybe some background history on the industry (I'm pretty well versed on it and have a mini-library on it.) An application for membership, to make it official, and applications to review the actions of a member or an outside PMC by clients. Also, I would list all the members, with links to storefronts, or to TG them if they didn't run a storefront.
Input on what else you'd like to see within the guild is welcome and encouraged.


The Wheat Isles wrote:The Wheat Elite are interested in this agreement, as we are a growing PMC company ourselves. OOC wise, I'm going to try and spruce up my company's logo and add other stuff like what the typical Wheat elite soldier is like now that I just got Photoshop. I hope it at least works....


Great! I'd like to see it. I need to add more graphics to my own store, too.

Aquitayne wrote:Hmm, I guess that's why I tell myself not to assume things (even though I go off and do them anyway). Regardless, any WA-legislation this Guild decides to adhere to, Axalon will do so willingly.


It's confusing, but there are several attempts at WA legislation on the PMC/mercenary issue. I will link them all now:

World Mercenary Convention.

On Mercenaries.

Mercenary Regulation Act.

The Mercenary Accord.

Mercenary's Profession Act.

PMC and Mercenary Regulation
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Postby Eternally Warring Spartanians » Sat Jun 01, 2013 9:35 pm

The E.W.S. are interested.

Be aware storefront link will be changed soon. I'm getting around to making a new one as the current one is very sub-par and no where near my Coeli Standard.

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Postby Common Territories » Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:12 pm

Well look. First off I do not despise this idea. It's a nice idea for people who need it and who are interested in the idea itself. I however am not interested. The idea is great but there are factors that I do not like about it that are IC based mostly. For starters, I see in the future if I did join this organization it would limit my storefront in some way. In some way somehow I know it will do this and my senses are telling me this as well. Secondly, my storefront would never let foreigners run how they operate their company. We do business with anyone and we serve the customer fully; this organization appears to be preparing ways to stop possible sales. I sell to anyone including those who have less then good tastes, bad IC, and questionable requests. IC'ly, my storefront does not like being controlled by foreigners in any shape or form so that's just how it is. Even if this is not the case (which I doubt because my senses are usually spot on), I still do not trust the situation. Nothing personal but my companies will not be joining this guild.

Also, the WA is not cannon to me nor do I care one brain cell that they pass laws against them or regulating them. Im not afraid of them one bit nor am I of the random bleeding hearts who declare war over something small.
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Postby Neu Engollon » Sat Jun 01, 2013 11:38 pm

Common Territories wrote:Well look. First off I do not despise this idea. It's a nice idea for people who need it and who are interested in the idea itself. I however am not interested. The idea is great but there are factors that I do not like about it that are IC based mostly. For starters, I see in the future if I did join this organization it would limit my storefront in some way. In some way somehow I know it will do this and my senses are telling me this as well. Secondly, my storefront would never let foreigners run how they operate their company. We do business with anyone and we serve the customer fully; this organization appears to be preparing ways to stop possible sales. I sell to anyone including those who have less then good tastes, bad IC, and questionable requests. IC'ly, my storefront does not like being controlled by foreigners in any shape or form so that's just how it is. Even if this is not the case (which I doubt because my senses are usually spot on), I still do not trust the situation. Nothing personal but my companies will not be joining this guild.

Also, the WA is not cannon to me nor do I care one brain cell that they pass laws against them or regulating them. Im not afraid of them one bit nor am I of the random bleeding hearts who declare war over something small.


Well, ultimately, I understand your decision and respect it. I think in part I'm either not fully explaining things or you are misinterpreting something.
Especially with the WA, do what you want, they really have no way to enforce anything on us, other than it gives a decent set of guidelines, as I previously stated.

Neu Engollon wrote:As well, we would try to adhere, or at least keep as guidelines, some WA legislation, such as this one coming up for review.


So, even with the guild, I wouldn't think it would be so oppressive that we threaten to come after any non-complying PMC, or sick the WA on them, who again, have no way to come after anyone or enforce anything, but rather, the greatest measure taken would be dis-association. No one can really stop anyone else's sales, but they might find some sales in poor judgement.
In regards to WA Resolutions:
The guy writing the current debated legislation was originally going to go for total ban on mercenaries and PMCS, which clearer heads prevailed on. Had that happened, I would firmly be in the non-WA compliant camp and not giving a fig. But it didn't, and I think regulation is not a horrible thing. Ultimately, we're looking at creating a business community to set standards and expectations, that's really the bulk of what a guild does.

Another thought: Sometime down the line, it could be an interesting RP to have a pro-guild faction of PMCs vs the Anti-guild, led by Commoner Leagues.
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Postby Republica Newland » Sun Jun 02, 2013 6:19 am

How about a PMC rating system?

EDIT: Disregard that,this is way too involved. I'm gonna do a PMC rating myself.

On another note,if this were more economically and politically oriented (a lobby group that could push for favorable legislation,etc) and less ethics-based I would have liked it
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Postby Neu Engollon » Sun Jun 02, 2013 8:06 am

Republica Newland wrote:How about a PMC rating system?

EDIT: Disregard that,this is way too involved. I'm gonna do a PMC rating myself.

On another note,if this were more economically and politically oriented (a lobby group that could push for favorable legislation,etc) and less ethics-based I would have liked it


You have a point, and usually a guild is mostly economically based. I do feel that there should be some minimum accountability and some regulation as to how a PMC would act, (no matter how their actions are RP'd OOC, the IC consequence of those actions is what matters here). Since this would be democratically run by all the members voting, I most certainly could be voted down and the guild could very well be turned more strictly to being an economic aid for all parties involved, rather than a regulatory body.

EDIT: Also, another point. You would want a guild to push for favorable legislation, but not be ethics based. That seems sort of contrary to me. In order for the guild to even care about legislation, they would have to be prepared to somewhat follow that legislation, whether it was favorable or not. Legislation is going to inherently try to influence the IC ethics of the industry, so I don't see how the two issues are separate.
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Postby New Roman Empire » Sun Jun 02, 2013 8:09 am

The Guild could set up its own guild lines. I believe that would benefit everyone in the guild.
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Postby Neu Engollon » Sun Jun 02, 2013 8:22 am

New Roman Empire wrote:The Guild could set up its own guild lines. I believe that would benefit everyone in the guild.


Yes, I'm thinking you typo'd and meant 'guide' lines. They would be beneficial and that would be part of the main purpose. They may parallel WA Resolutions, but they might go against them, too. That totally depends on member participation, which is why I hope people don't get driven away by even the mention of the WA. They have to be aware that WA legislation is out there and has some bearing, whether one chooses to follow it or not.

Another note, I saw that you applied to be a subsidiary linked company to Commoner Leagues. If they end up not being in the guild, how exactly would that effect Vordic Suns and the relationship between the two of you?
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Postby New Roman Empire » Sun Jun 02, 2013 8:48 am

Neu Engollon wrote:
New Roman Empire wrote:The Guild could set up its own guild lines. I believe that would benefit everyone in the guild.


Yes, I'm thinking you typo'd and meant 'guide' lines. They would be beneficial and that would be part of the main purpose. They may parallel WA Resolutions, but they might go against them, too. That totally depends on member participation, which is why I hope people don't get driven away by even the mention of the WA. They have to be aware that WA legislation is out there and has some bearing, whether one chooses to follow it or not.

Another note, I saw that you applied to be a subsidiary linked company to Commoner Leagues. If they end up not being in the guild, how exactly would that effect Vordic Suns and the relationship between the two of you?

Wont effect a thing, is just more of a profits thing.
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Postby Common Territories » Sun Jun 02, 2013 8:56 pm

Neu Engollon wrote:
Common Territories wrote:Well look. First off I do not despise this idea. It's a nice idea for people who need it and who are interested in the idea itself. I however am not interested. The idea is great but there are factors that I do not like about it that are IC based mostly. For starters, I see in the future if I did join this organization it would limit my storefront in some way. In some way somehow I know it will do this and my senses are telling me this as well. Secondly, my storefront would never let foreigners run how they operate their company. We do business with anyone and we serve the customer fully; this organization appears to be preparing ways to stop possible sales. I sell to anyone including those who have less then good tastes, bad IC, and questionable requests. IC'ly, my storefront does not like being controlled by foreigners in any shape or form so that's just how it is. Even if this is not the case (which I doubt because my senses are usually spot on), I still do not trust the situation. Nothing personal but my companies will not be joining this guild.

Also, the WA is not cannon to me nor do I care one brain cell that they pass laws against them or regulating them. Im not afraid of them one bit nor am I of the random bleeding hearts who declare war over something small.


Well, ultimately, I understand your decision and respect it. I think in part I'm either not fully explaining things or you are misinterpreting something.
Especially with the WA, do what you want, they really have no way to enforce anything on us, other than it gives a decent set of guidelines, as I previously stated.

Neu Engollon wrote:As well, we would try to adhere, or at least keep as guidelines, some WA legislation, such as this one coming up for review.


So, even with the guild, I wouldn't think it would be so oppressive that we threaten to come after any non-complying PMC, or sick the WA on them, who again, have no way to come after anyone or enforce anything, but rather, the greatest measure taken would be dis-association. No one can really stop anyone else's sales, but they might find some sales in poor judgement.
In regards to WA Resolutions:
The guy writing the current debated legislation was originally going to go for total ban on mercenaries and PMCS, which clearer heads prevailed on. Had that happened, I would firmly be in the non-WA compliant camp and not giving a fig. But it didn't, and I think regulation is not a horrible thing. Ultimately, we're looking at creating a business community to set standards and expectations, that's really the bulk of what a guild does.

Another thought: Sometime down the line, it could be an interesting RP to have a pro-guild faction of PMCs vs the Anti-guild, led by Commoner Leagues.



No you explained it fine, I just will not allow my storefront IC or OOC to be regulated by other storefronts. You may find regulation dandy but I do not and I will not allow others to regulate my business for any cause they have. Im not afraid of the WA, like you said, they have no power over me or my business. I personally laugh at the WA people who think their laws are of God's origins even though they cannot be enforced.


Secondly. I would hope that this guild does not interfere with my business or acts irrationally as you explained. Stunts like that will not be tolerated as it should be. It is good they didn't put that up to vote like you said but I don't condone any regulation by those people in the WA. Ultimately, my corporation already has basic standards in force and my storefront already has many of the ideas you pledged to do. Good luck with your guild though.

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Postby Eternally Warring Spartanians » Sun Jun 02, 2013 9:47 pm

Ive got the new storefront going up, page by page. So its slow and a WIP, buts it getting there. Tell me what you all think.

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Postby Aquitayne » Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:32 am

Eternally Warring Spartanians wrote:Ive got the new storefront going up, page by page. So its slow and a WIP, buts it getting there. Tell me what you all think.


It looks good so far, but I would shorten up that entire "BASIC CONTRACT, TERMS OF HIRING E.W.S. CONTRACTORS AND ASSETS" part. It's very long and very confusing, and not many people are going to actually stop and read it all. I would keep it to something short and simple but still what you want to say - you can use the one in my thread as a guide if you like. Just a suggestion.

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Postby Neu Engollon » Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:45 am

Common Territories wrote:No you explained it fine, I just will not allow my storefront IC or OOC to be regulated by other storefronts. You may find regulation dandy but I do not and I will not allow others to regulate my business for any cause they have. Im not afraid of the WA, like you said, they have no power over me or my business. I personally laugh at the WA people who think their laws are of God's origins even though they cannot be enforced.


Secondly. I would hope that this guild does not interfere with my business or acts irrationally as you explained. Stunts like that will not be tolerated as it should be. It is good they didn't put that up to vote like you said but I don't condone any regulation by those people in the WA. Ultimately, my corporation already has basic standards in force and my storefront already has many of the ideas you pledged to do. Good luck with your guild though.


I don't think we're planning on acting irrationally, or pulling stunts. Most of the PMCs, including your own, have standards already, yes. I already said we would use the WA Regulations as guidelines, not as hard, fast rule. This is an interest thread and nothing really has been set in stone or truly decided, yet. I think you have made up your mind about this no matter what results we come up with, or what we say otherwise.

For us here, stuff has just been brainstormed. It sounds to me that whatever we decide to do, whether it's set standards, make an economic pact, influence just OOC or just IC decisions of a member and/or the industry, or whatever else, you are opposed. You want no part of this guild and you have your own guild, so to speak, (Having taken in Vordic and Akuma) with your own rules that your subsidiaries must abide by. Got it. Thank you for your input.
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Postby Neu Engollon » Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:04 am

Aquitayne wrote:
Eternally Warring Spartanians wrote:Ive got the new storefront going up, page by page. So its slow and a WIP, buts it getting there. Tell me what you all think.


It looks good so far, but I would shorten up that entire "BASIC CONTRACT, TERMS OF HIRING E.W.S. CONTRACTORS AND ASSETS" part. It's very long and very confusing, and not many people are going to actually stop and read it all. I would keep it to something short and simple but still what you want to say - you can use the one in my thread as a guide if you like. Just a suggestion.


I think the difference is if you RP your own PMC troops, or only sell them as a commodity. For EWS, I think, like myself, that it's mainly for RP purposes to cover your bases to have a longer basic terms contract. If you're just selling your services solely as a GE&T commodity and nothing more, with no II or Nationstates overlap, then it probably isn't necessary to have a longer basic contract.

I personally do both, with hiring out for training, I don't RP the advisers/trainers in most cases, but for purposes of actual conflict, I won't let others RP my PMC operators. I may make an exception down the road, but I would have to seriously trust that someone understands their whole canon, will use them effectively and wisely and can RP them well. That's my personal OOC standards for my PMC.

The other difference is if you're trying to attract people on NS to your storefront and sell something like you would sell a flashy car, you would make it less wordy. If you're trying to shoot for MT realism, RL PMCs have a contract that's like a book, they're a business and they have to cover their asses, so the more legalese thrown in to make a contract solid and not debatable after the fact, the better. People are getting shot at, after all, and national integrity is on the line.
Again, this is just me, I don't want clients that just want to hire my PMC because mercs are cool and they go shooty bang bang and win your one-liner RP war. I want to join story/character driven RPs, so I will turn those prospective clients down in most cases. I'm less picky when it comes to simple training or VIP protection contracts.

Hopefully, we have room for PMCs in the guild that RP all the different ways. I'm not trying to be overly critical or elitist, but explain where someone might be coming from. Through TG, me and EWS have pretty much established that we're trying to find a balance on NS between a flashy storefront that brings in customers, and one that is realistically MT playable in an RP. That's hard to do, and not turn off potential business.

EDIT: PS I do like your storefront, Aquitayne. It strikes a pretty good balance in those things I mentioned.
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Common Territories » Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:08 am

I am only against regulations that can come from this guild, of which you said were possibly in the future. Until otherwise proven wrong, I will have to abstain from participating.

I do not run a guild of any sorts. I run a corporation that owns subsidiaries who have willingly partnered with my company. So I wouldn't say it's a guild but a corporation made up my company as the parent and subsidiaries that are daughter/son companies. I have nothing against the guild idea because it's a great idea tbh, it just simply crosses our ideals in some way in the future possibly.

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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Neu Engollon » Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:29 am

By definition pulled off of Google, A guild is: An association of persons of the same trade or pursuits, formed to protect mutual interests and maintain standards or the pursuit of a common goal.

So, you, Commoner Leagues, see yourself as merely a parent company, and Akuma might see themselves as your subsidiary, I don't know, but Vordic Suns, one of your new 'subsidiaries', however, might not see it that way:

New Roman Empire wrote:
Neu Engollon wrote:...I saw that you applied to be a subsidiary linked company to Commoner Leagues. If they end up not being in the guild, how exactly would that effect Vordic Suns and the relationship between the two of you?

Wont effect a thing, is just more of a profits thing.


So, he might not see Commoner Leagues as a parent company, but rather as a tool in pursuit of a common goal, that goal being to make money. You, as the parent company, might say, we will have no association with that guild, because they might set industry standards in the future that interfere with the ideals of our company. Your subsidiary assumes they aren't bound by your parent company rules, and will join the guild if they please. You think of it as a parent to subsidiary company relationship, but your subsidiary seems to view it as more of a mutual association.
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Eternally Warring Spartanians
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Postby Eternally Warring Spartanians » Mon Jun 03, 2013 9:02 am

Neu Engollon wrote:
Aquitayne wrote:
It looks good so far, but I would shorten up that entire "BASIC CONTRACT, TERMS OF HIRING E.W.S. CONTRACTORS AND ASSETS" part. It's very long and very confusing, and not many people are going to actually stop and read it all. I would keep it to something short and simple but still what you want to say - you can use the one in my thread as a guide if you like. Just a suggestion.


I think the difference is if you RP your own PMC troops, or only sell them as a commodity. For EWS, I think, like myself, that it's mainly for RP purposes to cover your bases to have a longer basic terms contract. If you're just selling your services solely as a GE&T commodity and nothing more, with no II or Nationstates overlap, then it probably isn't necessary to have a longer basic contract.

I personally do both, with hiring out for training, I don't RP the advisers/trainers in most cases, but for purposes of actual conflict, I won't let others RP my PMC operators. I may make an exception down the road, but I would have to seriously trust that someone understands their whole canon, will use them effectively and wisely and can RP them well. That's my personal OOC standards for my PMC.

The other difference is if you're trying to attract people on NS to your storefront and sell something like you would sell a flashy car, you would make it less wordy. If you're trying to shoot for MT realism, RL PMCs have a contract that's like a book, they're a business and they have to cover their asses, so the more legalese thrown in to make a contract solid and not debatable after the fact, the better. People are getting shot at, after all, and national integrity is on the line.
Again, this is just me, I don't want clients that just want to hire my PMC because mercs are cool and they go shooty bang bang and win your one-liner RP war. I want to join story/character driven RPs, so I will turn those prospective clients down in most cases. I'm less picky when it comes to simple training or VIP protection contracts.

Hopefully, we have room for PMCs in the guild that RP all the different ways. I'm not trying to be overly critical or elitist, but explain where someone might be coming from. Through TG, me and EWS have pretty much established that we're trying to find a balance on NS between a flashy storefront that brings in customers, and one that is realistically MT playable in an RP. That's hard to do, and not turn off potential business.

EDIT: PS I do like your storefront, Aquitayne. It strikes a pretty good balance in those things I mentioned.


He said it all. Its for roleplay reason, that and with the fact that I'm one of the few PMCs that will probably openly advertise assassination, for now, you know I defiantly need to cover my ass.

Like Commoner League I'm willing to sell to anyone. Mob bosses, illegal arms dealers, the works. The real difference between me and him is that fact that I'm willing to bring the storefront in line with "regulations" in order keep my thread from accumulating "I condemn you spam." That's another reason I'm really down with the whole guild thing. RP wise it will make my storefront still look like a golden apple, even if its rotten underneath.

I'm also not opposed to the political RP that may or may not come from me getting caught and found out. I'm not opposed to roleplaying the "bad" guy so long as its in a good roleplay.

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