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Posted: **Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:22 pm**

Earth Sphere Coalition wrote:
Namabia wrote:To: The Earth Sphere Coalition
From: The Namabia Department of Defense

Sir,

Illegal use of your nuclear weapons will trigger a war. Nuclear weapons are considered god-modding in almost every RP(unless you and the said nation agree via tg.) Enemies of the world are our enemies as well. (Unless your Great Nepal, I am allied with him via a war that happened around two-three years ago.)
Uranium is also a not-well found material and we suggest you guard it instead of selling it on the global market.

Sincerely,
General Wright, Minister of the Department of Defense,
The State of Namabia

To: Namabia

Sir and/or Madame,
I am well aware of the consequences of Nuclear War, and I know that it is considered god-modding unless agreed upon by both parties. As I have stated before, I am not and will not be the aggressor. I am not an enemy of the world, just an enemy of those who cross me. As for Uranium, I guess I am lucky that I found a large reserve of it, which has lead to Uranium Mining becoming my second largest industry. I see a need for a nuclear program and I might just sell my excess Uranium on the Open Market.

-P.M. Reznov

To: ESC
From: President Scott

Sir,

Even if you have excess you need to keep it. It's not you we are worried about. It's who you are selling it to. People you sell it too end up having to be invaded by nations like me. 86% of the time, the said nation has a population under a billion. My nation has about 450million troops. Some nations (like the antiques who have around 16 billion, have an army of about 1 billion.) That is with fully modern and equipped weapons.

Sincerely,
PC

Posted: **Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:28 pm**

Namabia wrote:
Earth Sphere Coalition wrote:To: Namabia

Sir and/or Madame,
I am well aware of the consequences of Nuclear War, and I know that it is considered god-modding unless agreed upon by both parties. As I have stated before, I am not and will not be the aggressor. I am not an enemy of the world, just an enemy of those who cross me. As for Uranium, I guess I am lucky that I found a large reserve of it, which has lead to Uranium Mining becoming my second largest industry. I see a need for a nuclear program and I might just sell my excess Uranium on the Open Market.

-P.M. Reznov

To: ESC
From: President Scott

Sir,

Even if you have excess you need to keep it. It's not you we are worried about. It's who you are selling it to. People you sell it too end up having to be invaded by nations like me. 86% of the time, the said nation has a population under a billion. My nation has about 450million troops. Some nations (like the antiques who have around 16 billion, have an army of about 1 billion.) That is with fully modern and equipped weapons.

Sincerely,
PC

Very well, I will abide by your wishes. My nation will keep it's Uranium deposits to itself, and we hereby rescind my order for material to make a "dirty bomb". Know this, eventually someone will form a counter to your leagues of do-gooders, which will also have troops in the hundreds of millions. There is only so much repression people can take before they lash out. Some of us prefer the world of vices to the world of virtues.

-P.M. Reznov

Posted: **Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:31 pm**

Namabia wrote:
Katonazag wrote:[OOC: No, a dirty bomb is nowhere near the same thing or the same type of damage as a nuclear bomb.]

IC: Your nation and known customers are now on terror watch lists.

[OOC: Same environmental and human effects without a thermal wall of fire.]

[OOC: Once again, no, not remotely. You're selling this stuff that will only ruin the RPs they attempt to use them in, because you're telling them that it will do something it most certainly will not. Players that know how this stuff works in RL will OOCly pull the plug in a respectable RP. The scope and level of environmental effect and human effect of a dirty bomb are nothing compared to a nuclear bomb. Research the stuff that you're selling, and then research the subject of radiologic biological effect, and you'll see what I'm talking about.]

Posted: **Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:35 pm**

To the Seller
From Barrasso a powerfull and capealble nation

We can sell you clean and stable nueclear Weapons for a good price and you can supply them to all but my enemy's

Posted: **Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:43 pm**

Archnar wrote:Thanks to some old nuclear reators we are know selling dirty bombs for a cost of only 30% extra per bomb you can get cause Radioactive and costly damage to your enemy.Why Spend billions on Developing Nuke when Dirty bomb cause the same amount of damage for Billion less (we are not responible for Damage or misuse of our products)

Hmm, you'd have to be a piss poor country to not even be able to make your own dirty bomb. Which for the most part do no more damage than a regular bomb unless they are made with high quality but if you want to spend the trouble doing that then you may as well be a man and make some pure columbian nukes. These dirty bombs you be peddleing are really used as a fear factor only which wont matter unless a government is useing them against their own people in order to pass something like a patriot act. But if thats the case then a few cheap as planes and a couple of unwanted skyscrapers will do just as well. :geek:

Posted: **Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:49 pm**

The Seafaring Christian Empire of Centropyge

FROM: Centropygan Foreign Ministry (CFM)

TO: Archnar, All Interested Parties

Greetings. The Empire of Centropyge is firmly committed to preventing the use of WMD as a tool of genocide, a weapon of war, or a means of blackmail. Since the sale of nuclear material from one state to another in and of itself is none of our concern, we see no reason at this time to take any particular action against the sellers or buyers of such material, provided all are legitimate states or other respectable entities. Should we find out that any nuclear material has been sold to terrorists or to state sponsors of terrorists, or is used for any illegitimate or "first strike" military purposes, then we will be compelled to act according to our Fawkes Doctrine.

Of course, we hope that will never become necessary.

Respectfully,

~Centropygan Foreign Ministry~

Posted: **Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:56 pm**

Centropyge wrote:
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The Seafaring Christian Empire of Centropyge

FROM: Centropygan Foreign Ministry (CFM)

TO: Archnar, All Interested Parties

Greetings. The Empire of Centropyge is firmly committed to preventing the use of WMD as a tool of genocide, a weapon of war, or a means of blackmail. Since the sale of nuclear material from one state to another in and of itself is none of our concern, we see no reason at this time to take any particular action against the sellers or buyers of such material, provided all are legitimate states or other respectable entities. Should we find out that any nuclear material has been sold to terrorists or to state sponsors of terrorists, or is used for any illegitimate or "first strike" military purposes, then we will be compelled to act according to our Fawkes Doctrine.

Of course, we hope that will never become necessary.
We shall help you in the name of god this is completely un neccasery and Rediculose!

Respectfully,

~Centropygan Foreign Ministry~

Posted: **Thu Jul 14, 2011 6:41 am**

Katonazag wrote:
Namabia wrote:

[OOC: Same environmental and human effects without a thermal wall of fire.]

[OOC: Once again, no, not remotely. You're selling this stuff that will only ruin the RPs they attempt to use them in, because you're telling them that it will do something it most certainly will not. Players that know how this stuff works in RL will OOCly pull the plug in a respectable RP. The scope and level of environmental effect and human effect of a dirty bomb are nothing compared to a nuclear bomb. Research the stuff that you're selling, and then research the subject of radiologic biological effect, and you'll see what I'm talking about.]

[OOC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_Bomb

Posted: **Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:01 am**

Archnar,

I see that you are new to GE&T, so I will have some suggestions for you. First, visit the Help Desk, they have advice for making a clean, professional storefront right off the bat. Also, for designing new products, visit the Draftroom. The folks there can be a bit harsh, but all advice you get will be incredibly helpful in making a great storefront.

For help, you can ask basically anyone here, including myself, Lyras, and Anemos Major. They helped me get better at weapons designing, and they can help you as well.

Thank you for your time,
Slovitrea

Posted: **Thu Jul 14, 2011 11:35 am**

OOC: Just a few quick suggestions. When you open a storefront, or any kind of sales service, on NS, if you want it to last, you need more than one product. If you want to sell Dirty Bombs, that's your prerogative; however, if you want to make anything of your initiative, it's generally advisable to provide more than one product. Secondly, even if you're only providing one product, that's fine so long as you have two things; detail and originality. What you have to understand is that the damning remarks about your products don't come from what you're selling. Rather, it comes from the fact that the detail and attention put into the product is minimal, and that therefore there is nothing to differentiate it from the hundreds of other newcomers selling 'acquired nukes' on this forum. An example of what you're looking to achieve is this. What could simply be described as a 'nuclear missile' is fully technically described and made original through innovative technological additions, turning this from one of hundreds of generic 'missiles' into a coherent weapon system.

These are all suggestions and pointers, and you're welcome to ignore them if you like. However, if you're interested in becoming an active member of the colourful GE&T scene here on NS, take a glance at the links Slovitrea has so kindly provided, ping any of us a TG if you need help, and you'll be well on your way to storefront success.

Posted: **Thu Jul 14, 2011 6:50 pm**

Earth Sphere Coalition,
I suport you.If you need to go to war with these nations that have denounced your actions i the premeir of Romegarett will help in any way. I will also send you 2,000,000$ for you to buy any items.

From, romegarett

Posted: **Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:07 pm**

Romegarett wrote:Earth Sphere Coalition,
I suport you.If you need to go to war with these nations that have denounced your actions i the premeir of Romegarett will help in any way. I will also send you 2,000,000$ for you to buy any items.

From, romegarett

2,000,000 ain't going to buy you nukes.

Posted: **Thu Jul 14, 2011 8:48 pm**

Romegarett wrote:Earth Sphere Coalition,
I suport you.If you need to go to war with these nations that have denounced your actions i the premeir of Romegarett will help in any way. I will also send you 2,000,000$ for you to buy any items.

From, romegarett

To: Romegarett

Thank you for the support, but there is no need. If there is ever a need for war, I will not strike first, but I will gather my allies and I will call upon you as well. For now though, we must bide our time. One day, we will be powerful enough to fight back.

-P.M. Reznov

Posted: **Sun Jul 17, 2011 8:03 pm**

Namabia wrote:
Katonazag wrote:
[OOC: Once again, no, not remotely. You're selling this stuff that will only ruin the RPs they attempt to use them in, because you're telling them that it will do something it most certainly will not. Players that know how this stuff works in RL will OOCly pull the plug in a respectable RP. The scope and level of environmental effect and human effect of a dirty bomb are nothing compared to a nuclear bomb. Research the stuff that you're selling, and then research the subject of radiologic biological effect, and you'll see what I'm talking about.]

[OOC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_Bomb

[OOC: The article corroborates what I'm saying on the subject. A dirty bomb is a weapon of fear, and won't cause very many casualties at all outside of the actual blast, shrapnel, and ensuing structural failures. The radioactive materials themselves aren't that big of a deal, and are actually easier to clean up than chemical and biological agents in many cases. The blast disperses the materials, and lowers the concentration, thereby lowering the quantity of radiation being produced in any one place. The number of people contaminated will initially be limited to the blast site, and decreasing in concentration downwind. A competent emergency response force can remove most of the contamination from victims on site, and finer decontamination should be additionally performed before taking them for further care. The key is minimizing the time the radioactive materials are on the person, and it's not going to cause significant health problems in those concentrations in the amount of time it takes responders to remove it. The only radiation injuries more serious are going to gradually show up with someone with radioactive shrapnel or materials in wounds, inhaled into the lungs, or ingested. Seems like a lot of trouble and expense for not much more casualties than a plain explosive device, adding only a little more fear, and a little extra work on the part of responders. The cost-benefit ratio just isn't worth it, even if the scheme can be managed and actually brought to fruition. Use it in war in NS? The nuclear gloves come off, and I can guarantee you it won't be "dirty bombs" coming back at the user.]

Posted: **Sun Jul 17, 2011 8:07 pm**

Katonazag wrote:
Namabia wrote:
[OOC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_Bomb

[OOC: The article corroborates what I'm saying on the subject. A dirty bomb is a weapon of fear, and won't cause very many casualties at all outside of the actual blast, shrapnel, and ensuing structural failures. The radioactive materials themselves aren't that big of a deal, and are actually easier to clean up than chemical and biological agents in many cases. The blast disperses the materials, and lowers the concentration, thereby lowering the quantity of radiation being produced in any one place. The number of people contaminated will initially be limited to the blast site, and decreasing in concentration downwind. A competent emergency response force can remove most of the contamination from victims on site, and finer decontamination should be additionally performed before taking them for further care. The key is minimizing the time the radioactive materials are on the person, and it's not going to cause significant health problems in those concentrations in the amount of time it takes responders to remove it. The only radiation injuries more serious are going to gradually show up with someone with radioactive shrapnel or materials in wounds, inhaled into the lungs, or ingested. Seems like a lot of trouble and expense for not much more casualties than a plain explosive device, adding only a little more fear, and a little extra work on the part of responders. The cost-benefit ratio just isn't worth it, even if the scheme can be managed and actually brought to fruition. Use it in war in NS? The nuclear gloves come off, and I can guarantee you it won't be "dirty bombs" coming back at the user.]

Thats beef on my block. Well put. Use a dirty bomb and you could expect a multiple-megaton warhead impact in less than 20 minutes.

Just something to think about...

Posted: **Mon Aug 22, 2011 6:48 pm**

We are no longer selling dirty bombs.Go away.

Posted: **Tue Aug 23, 2011 6:18 am**

i will buy 10,000 tons of radioactive waste it will come in handy with our new research plans

Posted: **Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:03 pm**

Fine,we will need evidence that it is not going to be used for dirty bombs though

Posted: **Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:18 pm**

we have nuclear reprosessing plants all over the country to try get as much unused uranium from it as possible

Posted: **Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:22 pm**

Centropyge wrote:
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The Seafaring Christian Empire of Centropyge

FROM: Centropygan Foreign Ministry (CFM)

TO: Archnar, All Interested Parties

Greetings. The Empire of Centropyge is firmly committed to preventing the use of WMD as a tool of genocide, a weapon of war, or a means of blackmail. Since the sale of nuclear material from one state to another in and of itself is none of our concern, we see no reason at this time to take any particular action against the sellers or buyers of such material, provided all are legitimate states or other respectable entities. Should we find out that any nuclear material has been sold to terrorists or to state sponsors of terrorists, or is used for any illegitimate or "first strike" military purposes, then we will be compelled to act according to our Fawkes Doctrine.

Of course, we hope that will never become necessary.

Respectfully,

~Centropygan Foreign Ministry~

if this nation wanted to cause genocide we would of done so by now and we have other means of doing it anyway

from
Imperial war ministry

Posted: **Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:57 pm**

Archnar wrote:Thanks to some old nuclear reators we are know selling dirty bombs for a cost of only 30% extra per bomb you can get cause Radioactive and costly damage to your enemy.Why Spend billions on Developing Nuke when Dirty bomb cause the same amount of damage for Billion less (we are not responible for Damage or misuse of our products)

forget the casings, Aurora Confederacy will BUY the nuclear fuel, South Sands Nuclear are expanding the nations atomic energy plants as some new Power Stations are being commissioned. South Sands Reprocessing can bring that spent nuclear fuel to a usable standard.

name the price per 1,000kgs

Posted: **Tue Aug 23, 2011 2:28 pm**

$100,000 per kg plus shipping costs (We also need evidence it will not be used for nuclear bombs)

Posted: **Tue Aug 23, 2011 2:29 pm**

do i get my shipment?

Posted: **Tue Aug 23, 2011 2:38 pm**

Archnar wrote:$100,000 per kg plus shipping costs (We also need evidence it will not be used for nuclear bombs)

how about $75,000 and WE collect it?

on the question of usage, only nuclear that the military has are the reactors in the submarines. We do NOT have Biological, or Atomic weapons.

the reactors we have are also highly efficient, so the fuel does not have to be highly enriched.

Posted: **Tue Aug 23, 2011 2:41 pm**

From the IPF

We recommend not selling this material to Ruffnekia for recent researshes shows it is militarizing itself as fast as it could.
Moreover, it feel into one of our nets proposing to sell me missiles and bombs. We will sue both, the buyer and seller if the transaction is made.
Regards,
Chairman of the IPF

NationStates

Dirty Bombs for sale

Earth Sphere Coalition suport