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Bavin
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Postby Bavin » Sun Feb 07, 2010 8:13 pm

East Fancainia wrote:

Do you guys post on the topic or do I just let it die?

Claims have to be "of substance"

I did a civil war, but I'm sure there's other ways to do it.
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Postby Bavin » Sun Feb 07, 2010 9:13 pm

Bavin wrote:/me claims Nuevo Leon and Tamiulipas

Thread will be up shortly. Or longly.

EDIT- Tamiulipas is actually a contestion. Possibly Chihuahua as well.

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=36103

EDIT- A TG for Layarteb in there too.
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Postby Dinkamana » Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:04 am

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Postby Terrathol » Mon Feb 08, 2010 3:32 am

hey, anyone have any suggestions for a group of aircraft, (fighter, multi role fighters, cas, and bombers), that realistically wont break bank of a small Oceanic nation? I mean, in RL I can't afford legions of highly advanced stealth aircraft. I couldn't even pay to maintain em. so if anyone has some ns or rl suggestions that do not cost an arm and a leg I would like to buy a few dozen.

Lets call my budget 6 billion for an airforce.

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Arnhelm
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Postby Arnhelm » Mon Feb 08, 2010 4:34 am

Terrathol wrote:hey, anyone have any suggestions for a group of aircraft, (fighter, multi role fighters, cas, and bombers), that realistically wont break bank of a small Oceanic nation? I mean, in RL I can't afford legions of highly advanced stealth aircraft. I couldn't even pay to maintain em. so if anyone has some ns or rl suggestions that do not cost an arm and a leg I would like to buy a few dozen.

Lets call my budget 6 billion for an airforce.

Use Multi-Role Fighters, they are more versatile than aircraft with selected operations.

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Postby Layarteb » Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:16 am

Terrathol wrote:hey, anyone have any suggestions for a group of aircraft, (fighter, multi role fighters, cas, and bombers), that realistically wont break bank of a small Oceanic nation? I mean, in RL I can't afford legions of highly advanced stealth aircraft. I couldn't even pay to maintain em. so if anyone has some ns or rl suggestions that do not cost an arm and a leg I would like to buy a few dozen.

Lets call my budget 6 billion for an airforce.


Yeah the F-16 Falcon :)
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Pineholt
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Postby Pineholt » Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:05 am

Terrathol wrote:hey, anyone have any suggestions for a group of aircraft, (fighter, multi role fighters, cas, and bombers), that realistically wont break bank of a small Oceanic nation? I mean, in RL I can't afford legions of highly advanced stealth aircraft. I couldn't even pay to maintain em. so if anyone has some ns or rl suggestions that do not cost an arm and a leg I would like to buy a few dozen.

Lets call my budget 6 billion for an airforce.


Terrathol wrote:hey, anyone have any suggestions for a group of aircraft, (fighter, multi role fighters, cas, and bombers), that realistically wont break bank of a small Oceanic nation? I mean, in RL I can't afford legions of highly advanced stealth aircraft. I couldn't even pay to maintain em. so if anyone has some ns or rl suggestions that do not cost an arm and a leg I would like to buy a few dozen.

Lets call my budget 6 billion for an airforce.


Maybe I could make you a deal on behalf of my industries?

I can't think of the names I've given them right now, but I will have a look later.

Basic Trainer:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_Tucano

Jet Trainer:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloster_Javelin

CAS:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Tucano

Fighter:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-31

Tactical Strike Bomber:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAC_TSR-2

Bombers:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Vulcan

Photo-reconnaissance:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EE_Canberra

Airborne early warning and control:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Sid ... imrod#AEW3

Cargo/Transport:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An225 - Imported
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_Brabazon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saunders-Roe_Princess - Operated by Navy

Light Transport/Utility:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotodyne
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britten-Norman_Islander
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-90_Orlyonok - Operated by Navy

Experimental:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_188
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_730
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beriev_Be-2500 - To be operated by Navy

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Postby Achesia » Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:58 am

Terrathol wrote:hey, anyone have any suggestions for a group of aircraft, (fighter, multi role fighters, cas, and bombers), that realistically wont break bank of a small Oceanic nation? I mean, in RL I can't afford legions of highly advanced stealth aircraft. I couldn't even pay to maintain em. so if anyone has some ns or rl suggestions that do not cost an arm and a leg I would like to buy a few dozen.

Lets call my budget 6 billion for an airforce.



For a small nation this would actually make a good fit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMX_International_AMX.

It is multi role, cheap, and easy upkeep, perfect for what you need.
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Postby The German Region » Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:11 am

Terrathol wrote:hey, anyone have any suggestions for a group of aircraft, (fighter, multi role fighters, cas, and bombers), that realistically wont break bank of a small Oceanic nation? I mean, in RL I can't afford legions of highly advanced stealth aircraft. I couldn't even pay to maintain em. so if anyone has some ns or rl suggestions that do not cost an arm and a leg I would like to buy a few dozen.

Lets call my budget 6 billion for an airforce.


Well I'll be selling off a large amount of my Panavia Tornados if you would be interested in them. $27,000,000 a unit if you want some.

In other news finished my second post for "The Hunt Begins". I think that has got to be the largest post I have ever done and there was no action at all! Whats the next few posts going to be like then :blink:
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Postby Cotland » Mon Feb 08, 2010 1:16 pm

COT.41 Sleipner

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$80 million per aircraft, which is a bargain when you look at what you get. Brand spanking new, using state of the art technology, and capable of doing whatever you need for it to do. For $4 Billion, you'll get 48 aircraft, 10-year warranty, full logistical support including spare parts, and training for your pilots and maintenance staff. For $5 Billion, you get 60 aircraft and the same warranty, support, and training. For the full $6 billion, we'll give you 72 aircraft plus the warranty, support and training.
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Phillippanoa
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Postby Phillippanoa » Mon Feb 08, 2010 1:41 pm

I recall that I claimed the island of Tierra del Fuego, not the Argentine province.

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East Fancainia
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Postby East Fancainia » Mon Feb 08, 2010 3:28 pm

When would my claim RP be officialy over?

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Pineholt
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Postby Pineholt » Mon Feb 08, 2010 3:38 pm

Phillippanoa wrote:I recall that I claimed the island of Tierra del Fuego, not the Argentine province.


...and I claimed Chile. There's been an inadvertent mix up here, but I'm not budging...

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Postby Bavin » Mon Feb 08, 2010 4:45 pm

For logistics purposes, I'm going to be moving my claims over Nuevo Leon and Baja California, along with the contestion of Tami to Phil's thread.
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Postby Terrathol » Mon Feb 08, 2010 5:00 pm

Cotland wrote:COT.41 Sleipner

Image

$80 million per aircraft, which is a bargain when you look at what you get. Brand spanking new, using state of the art technology, and capable of doing whatever you need for it to do. For $4 Billion, you'll get 48 aircraft, 10-year warranty, full logistical support including spare parts, and training for your pilots and maintenance staff. For $5 Billion, you get 60 aircraft and the same warranty, support, and training. For the full $6 billion, we'll give you 72 aircraft plus the warranty, support and training.



I think Cotland wins, I'll have to rp it but the 60 aircraft for 5 billion would probably be best. (Need a billion or so for fuel and munitions.) Also how big of a runway does it need?

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Cotland
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Postby Cotland » Mon Feb 08, 2010 5:02 pm

See the link.

Take-Off Run: 700 meters (loaded); 1 100 meters (max take-off)
Landing Run: 500 meters

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Postby Riveara » Mon Feb 08, 2010 5:45 pm

Cotland wrote:COT.41 Sleipner

Image

$80 million per aircraft, which is a bargain when you look at what you get. Brand spanking new, using state of the art technology, and capable of doing whatever you need for it to do. For $4 Billion, you'll get 48 aircraft, 10-year warranty, full logistical support including spare parts, and training for your pilots and maintenance staff. For $5 Billion, you get 60 aircraft and the same warranty, support, and training. For the full $6 billion, we'll give you 72 aircraft plus the warranty, support and training.


Kinda looks like a Dassault Mirage, but with a few changes.
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Postby Asrius Eram » Mon Feb 08, 2010 6:39 pm

Layarteb, I am wanting to purchase some vessels from your nations (but you already know this). Here is a list of what I would want if you are interested, cause I want a better navy.

-8 Ra Class Patrol Corvette (Flight II)
-4 Independence Class Littoral Combat Ship


If my calculations are correct, that would amount to 3,880,000,000 dollars. Of course, that would be payed in payments of some amount if we made a thread about the acquisition of the vessels.
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The Maleen Empire
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Postby The Maleen Empire » Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:45 pm

This is the tank my country is using currently. Pretty cool looking tank huh?

Sabra Mk.I; Sabra Mk.II / M60T; and or Sabra Mk.III
For a better picture, click here.

PS. I am thinking of making a military factbook, but I don't know really how to make a good one.

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Postby Layarteb » Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:16 pm

Brazil (Espirto Santo) is open to all but rather than claim it I'm just going to claim some of its islands, Trindade and Martim Vaz instead and I'll RP for it in German Region's thread. It'll be linked.


As an aside, I am working out the specifics for my own Military Sealift Command and I expect to have around 218 ships in it, of which 100 are AK and AKR types many of which will be classified as "pre-positioning," a very spine-chilling concept (floating container and ro/ro ships operating the worlds' oceans loaded with cargo and what not ready to go at a moment's notice in case the US goes to war). These, like the RL USNS ones, will be manned by Marines as well, with orders to shoot the living shit out of anyone who comes alongside them. You may or may not have noticed but like the USN I don't actually operate "exclusion zones" around my vessels though I might start doing that but I love Freedom of the Seas so... Furthermore with this MSC that I'm adding I feel a need to mention that one or two of these will be "floating prison ships" for POWs and other high value targets we just don't want anyone to know we have.

Asrius Eram wrote:Layarteb, I am wanting to purchase some vessels from your nations (but you already know this). Here is a list of what I would want if you are interested, cause I want a better navy.

-8 Ra Class Patrol Corvette (Flight II)
-4 Independence Class Littoral Combat Ship


If my calculations are correct, that would amount to 3,880,000,000 dollars. Of course, that would be payed in payments of some amount if we made a thread about the acquisition of the vessels.


You still have RP'd the attack on my Foreign Minister, are you still going to do that or?


As a further aside I have an all-day (literally all fucking day) meeting tomorrow that goes from ~9:00 a.m. to ~9:30 p.m. so needless to say don't expect to see me online.
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Postby Third Spanish States » Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:20 pm

Tiger... I mean Bear Tank!

Luldozer included

Its Pic

Of course, it's not supposed to be the mainstay of the armored forces.

Another thing I can't sell anyway due to IC factors restricting it.
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Postby Bavin » Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:50 pm

Third Spanish States wrote:Tiger... I mean Bear Tank!

Luldozer included

Its Pic

Of course, it's not supposed to be the mainstay of the armored forces.

Another thing I can't sell anyway due to IC factors restricting it.

That's just redonklous.

@Layarteb

Damn I wanted that island >:(

And I'll be tracking those pre-pos ships in SouthLant, or as many as I can.
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Postby Layarteb » Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:56 pm

Bavin wrote:
Third Spanish States wrote:Tiger... I mean Bear Tank!

Luldozer included

Its Pic

Of course, it's not supposed to be the mainstay of the armored forces.

Another thing I can't sell anyway due to IC factors restricting it.

That's just redonklous.

@Layarteb

Damn I wanted that island >:(

And I'll be tracking those pre-pos ships in SouthLant, or as many as I can.


They won't be hard to track. They're giant container ships but you've got to find them first and finding a single ship in the Atlantic is like trying to find a needle in about 4 dozen haystacks.
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Postby Terrathol » Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:58 pm

Layarteb wrote:
Bavin wrote:
Third Spanish States wrote:Tiger... I mean Bear Tank!

Luldozer included

Its Pic

Of course, it's not supposed to be the mainstay of the armored forces.

Another thing I can't sell anyway due to IC factors restricting it.

That's just redonklous.

@Layarteb

Damn I wanted that island >:(

And I'll be tracking those pre-pos ships in SouthLant, or as many as I can.


They won't be hard to track. They're giant container ships but you've got to find them first and finding a single ship in the Atlantic is like trying to find a needle in about 4 dozen haystacks.



light the hey stacks on fire and search the ashes :D it always works

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Postby Asrius Eram » Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:17 am

Layarteb wrote:Brazil (Espirto Santo) is open to all but rather than claim it I'm just going to claim some of its islands, Trindade and Martim Vaz instead and I'll RP for it in German Region's thread. It'll be linked.


As an aside, I am working out the specifics for my own Military Sealift Command and I expect to have around 218 ships in it, of which 100 are AK and AKR types many of which will be classified as "pre-positioning," a very spine-chilling concept (floating container and ro/ro ships operating the worlds' oceans loaded with cargo and what not ready to go at a moment's notice in case the US goes to war). These, like the RL USNS ones, will be manned by Marines as well, with orders to shoot the living shit out of anyone who comes alongside them. You may or may not have noticed but like the USN I don't actually operate "exclusion zones" around my vessels though I might start doing that but I love Freedom of the Seas so... Furthermore with this MSC that I'm adding I feel a need to mention that one or two of these will be "floating prison ships" for POWs and other high value targets we just don't want anyone to know we have.

Asrius Eram wrote:Layarteb, I am wanting to purchase some vessels from your nations (but you already know this). Here is a list of what I would want if you are interested, cause I want a better navy.

-8 Ra Class Patrol Corvette (Flight II)
-4 Independence Class Littoral Combat Ship


If my calculations are correct, that would amount to 3,880,000,000 dollars. Of course, that would be payed in payments of some amount if we made a thread about the acquisition of the vessels.


You still have RP'd the attack on my Foreign Minister, are you still going to do that or?


As a further aside I have an all-day (literally all fucking day) meeting tomorrow that goes from ~9:00 a.m. to ~9:30 p.m. so needless to say don't expect to see me online.


Naw, I am not ready to be completely destroyed. Not yet of course.
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