Earth II [ARCHIVE THREAD #1]

[Bavin]

Newswire thread

[Pineholt]

Lay: I will get a response up in the Bolivia thread soon, I haven't forgotten about it.

[Layarteb]

So I printed out Infernal today. It's 156 typed pages! And I want to rewrite wtf!!!

[Third Spanish States]

It's 156 typed pages

1 - Befriend a niche book publishing firm owner that fits with the genre you wrote about.
2 - Tell him about your work
3 - Sent it for reviewing, etc.
4 - ???
5 - Profit

If things were that easy...

[Layarteb]

It's only about 1/3 of the way complete at that size.

[Taledonia]

viewtopic.php?ns=1&f=5&t=35551

The beginning of my claim for the Australian territories. Will begin the others soon.

[Riveara]

Ugh, just got finished making a long ass post for my pacific expansion thread. I've been noticing my growth as a writer thanks to earth II, but I still am not as good as the people who've been here longer.

[Achesia]

Working on a war of the maiden post to put up, maybe I could write faster if it warmed up down here..... brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[Cotland]

Forgot to mention it, but the Royal Cottish Army's undergone a little restructuring since the Patriotic Liberation War.

[Cotland]

Hey Riveara, mind if I RP some of the resistance elements in your pacfiic invasion thread?

[Riveara]

Hey Riveara, mind if I RP some of the resistance elements in your pacfiic invasion thread?

Sure, my thread would be way more fun with someone RPing against me. You can RP the resistance on Futuna and Bali.

[Third Spanish States]

Forgot to mention it, but the Royal Cottish Army's undergone a little restructuring since the Patriotic Liberation War.

Speaking about restructuring, do you believe that in a very "network-centric" sort of military with lots of organicity, a restructuring that would cut all organizational levels between Corps and Company could be practical? Although this is mostly for main Third Spanish States which follows an unconventional military structure where everything is available at a Company level, instead of available at a divisional or brigade level. But if EII Third Spanish States has a revolution, that may become its new structure.

[Cotland]

No, I don't. The main reason why I don't believe that this is possible is because quite simply, it would place an extreme amount of work on the poor sods @ Corps HQ, who have to filter through the info from literarily hundreds of subordinate commands instead of having it done at the Battalion, Brigade and Division HQs, leaving the guys @ Corps HQ to make the big decisions and filter it downwards to Division, Brigade and Battalion level. Having the Corps CO trying to micromanage the movements of his companies and platoons is a very very bad idea indeed. For historical reference, Adolf Hitler tried micromanaging his armies and divisions all the way down to Platoon level during WW2 - we all know how that ended.

[Third Spanish States]

Trying to make sense out of how I envisioned the MilNet will be can of worms. A Major, which is the highest ranking of EO(Elected Officer) runs a Company and strategic decisions regarding organizational units greater than Companies are made by "councils", although they may delegate everything to only one individual when necessary to fasten things, and ranks sort of "appear" during wartime.

It's a huge organic, flexible and self-adapting "mess". But somehow it works because of the way everything started.

This is why it is a very high-standard, all-volunteer military that have a very small percentage of the population in it compared to the average NS. Only people with a very high degree of self-discipline do finely in the MilNet because it needs not brainless whelps who march coherently only out of fear, to be thrown into a meatgrinder, but people who really know what they are getting into, want to do it and have the balls for it.

I still haven't found a perfect way to make it convincing, tbh. But a traditional military structure would make no sense for a NS like Third Spanish States.

[Areona]

Hows your economy? If its strong there are few incentives to join the army and thus you get stupider people.


Also, do you have a military tradition, are you surrounded by enemies that want to kill or exterminate you? (AKA: Israel, Germany)


Next, you have "Elected Officers"? That is generally a no-no because suddenly soldiers are concentrating more on looking good politically then being safe:

"I'd rather face some embarrassment then be caught with our pants down" -From I can't remember the name

The military is a dictatorship because your officer knows more about the grand plan then you do and your job is to follow orders and relay information.


If you want to make what your proposing convincing:

Have a slow moving and developing army, The bureaucracy of intelligent minds slows everything down.

Don't expect to take positions very quickly, not many people are willing to get up and run at machinegun fire when they are in the safety of a whole in the ground.

Most people will join the air force or navy, chances of death are much lower.

Your forces will be highly unmotivated and thus no position will be held for very long before retreating.

Finally expect a lot of wasted ammunition. it's safe to hide in the bottom of your hole and fire your gun blindly into the air then to come out and shoot aimed rounds.

Basically the army you will have will be US technology with Russian levels or moral and tactics . High tech army that fights in quick bursts then waits for supplies and backup. No one wants to die, but sometimes you need people willing to take casualties if you want to win a war.

Defensive commanders win battles, but aggressive ones win wars.

however there is hope for turning your forces into the ultimate killing machines:

[Third Spanish States]

Lul I started a discussion in the Internet about a fictional entity.

Hows your economy? If its strong there are few incentives to join the army and thus you get stupider people.

Incorrect. The MilNet is not an Army in the normal sense of the word, it is a Private Defense Agency and a confederation of several military-centric cooperatives on top of that. Their income comes from military technology sales and from "war compensations" in the fact they are entitled to loot anything that belonged to a former government that has been defeated. Everyone has an equal share of it, and it's the largest and highest profit-per-member cooperative group in the Confederacy. So there are strong incentives, for those who manage to match their standards.

tl;dr There is no army, just a Cooperative of Mercenaries and Military Technology industries who fancy themselves as Freedom Fighters.

Also, do you have a military tradition, are you surrounded by enemies that want to kill or exterminate you? (AKA: Israel, Germany)

One of the communes that are part of the Confederacy is surrounded by monarchic states that continually scheme and start cabals in attempts to destroy them because of what it represents. The original Third Spanish States was a neighbor of a stalinist police state and old enemy, and was originated from a violent revolution. The CSA which constitutes its Havenic part was originated from survivors of a nuclear war, so if almost a decade of guerilla warfare counts as "military tradition", surely.

Next, you have "Elected Officers"? That is generally a no-no because suddenly soldiers are concentrating more on looking good politically then being safe:

"I'd rather face some embarrassment then be caught with our pants down" -From I can't remember the name

Wrong, the Confederacy culture does not treat elections like RL western culture do. They know the difference between "looking good but being rotten to the core" and the real deal.

The military is a dictatorship because your officer knows more about the grand plan then you do and your job is to follow orders and relay information.

Everybody knows every details the grand plan in the MilNet. It may seem as information overload and a risk... there is a reason why cyanide pills are standard issue too. Also, if the military was organized in an autocratic manner, it would be a greater threat to the Confederacy than any ideologically hostile foreign nation, so the purpose of "defending the liberty of the Confederacy" would be moot.

Have a slow moving and developing army, The bureaucracy of intelligent minds slows everything down.

Don't expect to take positions very quickly, not many people are willing to get up and run at machinegun fire when they are in the safety of a whole in the ground.

Most people will join the air force or navy, chances of death are much lower.

Your forces will be highly unmotivated and thus no position will be held for very long before retreating.

Finally expect a lot of wasted ammunition. it's safe to hide in the bottom of your hole and fire your gun blindly into the air then to come out and shoot aimed rounds.

Nobody will fire a machinegun while loads of HE bombs are falling into such position or an helicopter is strafing. The Confederacy real focus is in Navy and Air Force rather than Army(which is small but quality), and they work together very well. Besides, running at machinegun fire is fail. Real wars aren't fought like in Enemy at the Gates unless they were really poorly planned or involves generals who commanded lines of musketeers suddenly commanding armies with machineguns and rifled guns.

Also, on the contrary, one of the strong points of the MilNet is morale. They are "freedom fighters", first and foremost, in their views, and professional soldiers second. The second strong point is speed, actually. They are a very fast force because of the highly decentralized chain of command, rather than the opposite. On the other hand, they don't work very well in massive formations and too large numbers. It's no wonder that the real deal are the Special Forces. Also they tend to recruit and train guerrillas and militias during war operations.

And on being on the "bottom of the hole", people who aren't ready to "fight and die for the cause of Freedom" simply don't join.

Basically the army you will have will be US technology with Russian levels or moral and tactics . High tech army that fights in quick bursts then waits for supplies and backup. No one wants to die, but sometimes you need people willing to take casualties if you want to win a war.

More like high tech, highly mechanized small army that moves way too fast for their own good.

Defensive commanders win battles, but aggressive ones win wars.

If pulverizing a minefield with bombs and artillery instead of doing it in the totally safe way, and then advancing IFVs around the presumedly safe minefield on full throttle like if they were racing cars before logistics were even established in an island, not stopping moving or slowing down because artillery barrages began to be fired, while sending a severely outnumbered dettachment of airmobile troops behind enemy lines to go Motti isn't aggressive, I don't know what is. Of course, they were the equivalents of marines, but that still is how a textbook assault by the MilNet works: a Motti with airmobiles and paratroopers splitting and encircling enemy forces in areas with poor to no cover against airstrike heavily supported by the Air Force.

Of course, they are ready to adapt to different situations.

however there is hope for turning your forces into the ultimate killing machines:
-lol40k-

+20 points for lulz factor.

*Edit: I think this link I did could be more helpful

http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/ ... topic=2990

[Areona]

*Edit: I think this link I did could be more helpful

http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/ ... topic=2990

Suddenly everything makes a whole lot more sense.

Wrong, the Confederacy culture does not treat elections like RL western culture do. They know the difference between "looking good but being rotten to the core" and the real deal.

I still feel that any officer would have to be chosen in war time for an accurate assessment of the peers to be made. Everything is done out of selfishness and as such people who desire more power in an arm, especially a cooperate 1 will try to advance through the ranks quickly and unless you are at war a Ceasar may be getting elected upwards.

The second strong point is speed, actually. They are a very fast force because of the highly decentralized chain of command, rather than the opposite. On the other hand, they don't work very well in massive formations and too large numbers. It's no wonder that the real deal are the Special Forces. Also they tend to recruit and train guerrillas and militias during war operations.

So what you are saying is that your forces would be effective in something like Vietnam and Somolia but against as truly powerful force, say Layarteb you would be forced to rely on your air force and navy and hope that they can make up for the deficiencies of your land army? sorry I'm a bit confused on this point. Also because your forces are so decentralized does that mean that you must fight very quick "real" wars?

It's just that any force that lacks accurate knowledge of what the rest of the army is doing would not be able to perform the same integrated and synchronized attacks and movements as a more centralized force. Or do you have your forces set up in such a way that lets say companies (sorry I don't know where the cut off point would be) report directly to a central command and have no middle are people such as brigades and divisions? In which case you would be overwhelming your central command with information thus weakening combat efficiency.

Sorry about all these questions, I'm just trying to get a clear picture of what is going on.

[Third Spanish States]

In peacetime it's like "Comrade, want to be a tank race?"

I'm not joking.

During war time, suddenly roles aking to division general, brigade general etc emerge as people known to have the competence for it are elected into them. Also, there is the use of technologies that really give far more exact knowledge about what is going on. In brief it is an army where organization adapts spontaneously to every situation. During low intensity conflicts, they will have little in existing ranks. Also, the frontline tactics and operational moves are very decentralized rather than defined from high positions, but there is a central strategy and agreed upon guidelines on how to integrate tactical moves for everyone.

I'm not really in the mood to give a deep explanation right now. Lets say it just works. It is like how the rebels are organized in "Without war, there is no peace."

Also all of this wasn't about Earth II Third Spanish States which is a Police State and thus obviously has not such type of military. In fact the military in the Goodrule have more liberties than civilians, to an extent.

[Areona]

Everyone, I'm so sorry, I took my Physical today and well I'm shipping out for Fort Nox in 2 days to begin my training. I'm really sorry I didn't think it would come so soon. Any way I'm going to be there for 4 months cause I'm training for Abrams.

You don't know how sorry I am about all this coming. I can't go on vacation mode because it is too long i'll be away for. So as such I wish for my nation to be removed and for the land to be freely claimable by anyone, I believe that this is the custom.

I'm really sorry about this everyone but as it goes duty calls. Good bye for now, I'll say hi to everyone again when I return.

[Cotland]

Good bye, and good luck with that.

Leo 2 still kicks Abrams' ass

[Terrathol]

Claims: Corsica

Nation Name: The Allied States of Terrathol
Demonym: Terrathol
Capitol: Bastia
Independence Date:
Population: 430,000
Language: French
Gov. Type: Oligarchy
Head of Gov.: King Lucien Breaux and King Burke Champagne
Head of State: Chancellor Reynard Cheney
Official Religion: Polytheism
Constitution: No
Economy Type: Mixed
Currency: The Terrathol Coin
Time zone: UTC+1
Calling code: 360
TLD: .ter
Military: 13,000

I'll post an RP when I have been accepted.


*EDIT: Man I feel stupid anyway I'm gonna repost for some other land in a sec...

[Hi No Moto]

Everyone, I'm so sorry, I took my Physical today and well I'm shipping out for Fort Nox in 2 days to begin my training. I'm really sorry I didn't think it would come so soon. Any way I'm going to be there for 4 months cause I'm training for Abrams.

You don't know how sorry I am about all this coming. I can't go on vacation mode because it is too long i'll be away for. So as such I wish for my nation to be removed and for the land to be freely claimable by anyone, I believe that this is the custom.

I'm really sorry about this everyone but as it goes duty calls. Good bye for now, I'll say hi to everyone again when I return.

Sucks to hear that but like you say duty calls. Also Challenger 2 owns Abrams and Leo 2.

[Drvarska]

Looks like I found my new Fighter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22fN4fVoFdY

@Areona - Good luck mate, be safe and hope to see you soon.

[Layarteb]

Everyone, I'm so sorry, I took my Physical today and well I'm shipping out for Fort Nox in 2 days to begin my training. I'm really sorry I didn't think it would come so soon. Any way I'm going to be there for 4 months cause I'm training for Abrams.

You don't know how sorry I am about all this coming. I can't go on vacation mode because it is too long i'll be away for. So as such I wish for my nation to be removed and for the land to be freely claimable by anyone, I believe that this is the custom.

I'm really sorry about this everyone but as it goes duty calls. Good bye for now, I'll say hi to everyone again when I return.

Hooah Abrams all the way! Stay good man.

[Layarteb]

Looks like I found my new Fighter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22fN4fVoFdY

@Areona - Good luck mate, be safe and hope to see you soon.

Lulz couldn't you have picked a better looking plane?