The WERTA Alliance (OOC Thread)

[Green Port]

I know I'm new and I'm probably under investigation but I think Overwatch information and Itelligence should be made public, because its something that affect us all, no problem if the members are secret, even better cause they can do their job more easily, but the intel should be known by every member.

[Green Port]

Quick question, how has WERTA even lasted this long without any kind of charter. Oh and is WERTA an acronym?

and this

[Cartavesqa]

The reason we added justice system to the poll was to make it clear which organizations exist in WERTA and to establish a legal system.
So that kinda invalidates the main point of your argument. We don't want an overwatch anymore, that is why we are doing this, to make it more open, and if it doesn't work...overwatch will come back.

@Greenport: Overwatch information is kept secret, because only 10% of their information is actually true. What Holy marsh did right there was make people question your integrity, when there was no reason too. That is why information is secret.

[Vortim]

A formal charter once existed, but I deleted it because it was flawed, and i am glad you asked because I am posting it soon. And WERTA is an acronym for something, but i forget (It was from a long time ago.)

[Christantle]

@me-not to self to stop staying off so long.


Wow, I missed alot.

[Holy Marsh]

This has been really counter-productive

Debate is welcome in WERTA

And Holy Marsh i already have, but you must realize that my pick for best nation is the one i am going to vote for. Thats why we have voting.
The reason the Overwatch team was never made public was because no one really cares, they are like the technical editors for a TV shows, they are important but honestly no one cares about them much, but without them the world would go crazy

If you already have, then how does a nation that was created around the time I got an early Christmas gift from my wife and just joined a very short while ago get up there?

And please, stop telling me how vital Overwatch is. I got it. I got it a while ago. You want to keep them secret? Read my past few posts. Go ahead and keep the members secret.

But don't keep the intelligence they collect that informs the decisions made by the EP Group secret unless there is a damn, damn, damn good reason for it, like it reveals a crippling flaw in WERTA.

And Carta, that is bullshit. I am not casting anything on Green Port. I am calling the Poll crappy because there are not qualified candidates and those alone up there(sorry GP).
Do not put words in my mouth again.

[Cartavesqa]

@Vortim: Good we need that in the Legislation thread, and i think you meant I deleted it, you suggested i delete it

[Green Port]

The reason we added justice system to the poll was to make it clear which organizations exist in WERTA and to establish a legal system.
So that kinda invalidates the main point of your argument. We don't want an overwatch anymore, that is why we are doing this, to make it more open, and if it doesn't work...overwatch will come back.

@Greenport: Overwatch information is kept secret, because only 10% of their information is actually true. What Holy marsh did right there was make people question your integrity, when there was no reason too. That is why information is secret.

Even then, I'm glad I was pointed out, it means that the system work, well, functions and that they are actually doing their job, not even I believe I have 5 votes, I didn't even knew that the position existed.

Anyways, thats just my humble opinion.

[Vortim]

Green port is pretty well known, and if hes not fit for the job, don't vote for him...
Palin deserves to be on the ballot, but are you gonna vote for an idiot?

[Green Port]

Debate is welcome in WERTA

And Holy Marsh i already have, but you must realize that my pick for best nation is the one i am going to vote for. Thats why we have voting.
The reason the Overwatch team was never made public was because no one really cares, they are like the technical editors for a TV shows, they are important but honestly no one cares about them much, but without them the world would go crazy

If you already have, then how does a nation that was created around the time I got an early Christmas gift from my wife and just joined a very short while ago get up there?

And Carta, that is bullshit. I am not casting anything on Green Port. I am calling the Poll crappy because there are not qualified candidates and those alone up there(sorry GP).
Do not put words in my mouth again.

I think it because I have been making flags for a lot of people, honestly I couldn't care less if I'm elected. as I said, I didn't even knew the position existed.

[Cartavesqa]

If you already have, then how does a nation that was created around the time I got an early Christmas gift from my wife and just joined a very short while ago get up there?

And Carta, that is bullshit. I am not casting anything on Green Port. I am calling the Poll crappy because there are not qualified candidates and those alone up there(sorry GP).
Do not put words in my mouth again.

I think it because I have been making flags for a lot of people, honestly I couldn't care less if I'm elected. as I said, I didn't even knew the position existed.

He makes good flags

[Christantle]

So we're basically talking about, how their is a flaw in WERTA, Im not quite sure as I was away all day

[Cartavesqa]

Holy Marsh, I do not think i nor Vortim understand your arguement because it hasn't been defined clearly. Make a bullet for each thing you want like this:
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and we will likely understand it better.

[Holy Marsh]

Green port is pretty well known, and if hes not fit for the job, don't vote for him...
Palin deserves to be on the ballot, but are you gonna vote for an idiot?

We don't elect the Chief of Staff. We don't elect Generals. Unless you are saying the Military Chief is a purely political position without any power of any real military matters, or unless you are saying that 'liking someone' is the only thing that matters, then your point is moot.

I like GP. He is a nice one. I prefer him in terms of OOC discussion over a lot of people, especially since he took the Level I ranking like a man instead of some others who have continued to bitch and moan.

But he just joined the alliance, has a nation that was created in the blink of an eye ago in terms of NS time, and didn't even know the position existed.

I don't want the position. He doesn't care if he is elected. Only people who want the position and we think are qualified should even be up there are on the poll.

You need a bullet point for this? God. Okay.

* Secrecy is bad within an alliance.
* Decisions that impact the alliance should not be based on secret intelligence.
* Make the intelligence known.
* Make the decision-making process known.

This is not a region. This is not a collection of nations opposing one another. This is an alliance. Overwatch is a part of that Alliance. The Intel it collects impacts the Alliance. The EP Group is part of the Alliance(most of it). Their decisions impact the Alliance.

Imagine for a second Carta that you weren't part of the decision making group. Or that you had no access to the intelligence. One day you come here and find out that something you supported or wanted to do has been invalidated.

[Cartavesqa]

You need a bullet point for this? God. Okay.

First of all, no need for "God.Okay."

And second, you clearly don't realize that we don't need overwatch anymore and that is why we proposed the Justice System.
Overwatch practically ends the moment the Justice System is established.

[Christantle]

You need a bullet point for this? God. Okay.

First of all, no need for "God.Okay."

And second, you clearly don't realize that we don't need overwatch anymore and that is why we proposed the Justice System.
Overwatch practically ends the moment the Justice System is established.

Using god in a statement like that is wrong. Anyways, would we start a thread for the justic system?

[Holy Marsh]

You need a bullet point for this? God. Okay.

First of all, no need for "God.Okay."

And second, you clearly don't realize that we don't need overwatch anymore and that is why we proposed the Justice System.
Overwatch practically ends the moment the Justice System is established.

It doesn't matter if it is Overwatch or Bob's Intelligence Emporium.
Just make the intelligence that influences the EP Group's decision making public.

[Cartavesqa]

First of all, no need for "God.Okay."

And second, you clearly don't realize that we don't need overwatch anymore and that is why we proposed the Justice System.
Overwatch practically ends the moment the Justice System is established.

Using god in a statement like that is wrong. Anyways, would we start a thread for the justic system?

Yes

[Green Port]

I would like to be removed from the poll if possible, I know I'm not a really good leader, of any kind.

[Cartavesqa]

First of all, no need for "God.Okay."

And second, you clearly don't realize that we don't need overwatch anymore and that is why we proposed the Justice System.
Overwatch practically ends the moment the Justice System is established.

It doesn't matter if it is Overwatch or Bob's Intelligence Emporium.
Just make the intelligence that influences the EP Group's decision making public.

I gave it to you didn't I?

[Holy Marsh]

It doesn't matter if it is Overwatch or Bob's Intelligence Emporium.
Just make the intelligence that influences the EP Group's decision making public.

I gave it to you didn't I?

Yeah. You also told me other things that point to wanting to keep such things secret.

In fact, I have a bone to pick with you via TG regarding that.

[Cartavesqa]

I gave it to you didn't I?

Yeah. You also told me other things that point to wanting to keep such things secret.

In fact, I have a bone to pick with you via TG regarding that.

Tg answered
And by the way, i hope you aren't actually getting mad about this, because this is good debate and also generally where flaming starts

[Holy Marsh]

Yeah. You also told me other things that point to wanting to keep such things secret.

In fact, I have a bone to pick with you via TG regarding that.

Tg answered
And by the way, i hope you aren't actually getting mad about this, because this is good debate and also generally where flaming starts

Oh no, I'm fine. I'm watching The Office and making dinner. I'm pretty happy.

[Christantle]

Tg answered
And by the way, i hope you aren't actually getting mad about this, because this is good debate and also generally where flaming starts

Oh no, I'm fine. I'm watching The Office and making dinner. I'm pretty happy.

Funny, Funny. I have to go for the night. Sorry for lack of activity today.

[Cartavesqa]

Oh no, I'm fine. I'm watching The Office and making dinner. I'm pretty happy.

Funny, Funny. I have to go for the night. Sorry for lack of activity today.

If you don't be active you will get fat