Defese bans religion

[Jeuna]

Oldthinker thoughtways doubleplus ungood, forwardon newspeaking.

Newspeak ungood, as you say.

(OoC: Do you have a sort of newspeak dictionary or something?)

Big Brother thoughtwaves direct to headplace.

[Spredronia]

Oldthinker thoughtways doubleplus ungood, forwardon newspeaking.

Newspeak ungood, as you say.

(OoC: Do you have a sort of newspeak dictionary or something?)

Big Brother thoughtwaves direct to headplace.

Hmm... I'll interpret that is Big Brother... hmm, thoughtwaves... direct to headplace... possession of brain?

Guy possessed is shot with a .50 sniper rifle.

[Katganistan]

Back on topic, guys.

[Spredronia]

Okay, mod.

Anyways, Spredonia condemns this action.

[East Luisa]

OOC: LOL Glad you like the letterhead, Defese!

East Luisa congratulates the Chancellor on getting that far with it. As a token of my sincere gratitude, accept this new letterhead. Is there anything we may buy from your nation at outrageous prices, that you might profit from our nations vaults?

Sincerly,
~~Kevin Greene, President of East Luisa

[Serbian_Soviet_Union]

It looks like the ban on religion is still in force, the economic sanctions and the embargos is still in force untill a ban on religion in North Defese is lifted. Any vessels found at the border of our territorial waters or inside our waters will be boarded upon and all of it's hardware and equipment confiscated along with the confiscated of the vessels and the people onboard will be arrested and prosecutted to the fullest extent of the law serving a maximum of 30 years in jail. Resisting an arrest will result in the vessel and all of it's personnels being fired upon and sunked. Also any aircrafts including civilian aircrafts from North Defese crossing our space territories will be fired upon and the aircraft fired in obliberation.

No North Defesians will be allowed to enter FSSU and visa will be denied. North Defesians nationals may only enter as individuals if granted by the Emmigration Office of FSSU with the approval of the interior minister of FSSU. Around 20,000 North Defesians have been inside FSSU borders and have been put to the detention centre pending deportation back to North Defese.

However there is most likely a chance that the Defesians of Notyh Defese will not be deportated back to North Defese if the Defesians have been in FSSU or more then two years on a period of 2 years working visa. Which is around 14,000 Defesians under the category of 2 years working visa, they will be eligiable to apply for citizenship provided that they abandon and give up the North Defese citizenship. Another 7,000 Defesians have came to FSSU as a visiting visa or a tourist visa and there has been fears of them going back to North Defese considering a civil war that has recently occured in Defesia itself between the North and the South, economy over there is very poor and the nation is still ravaged and war torn by the war that occured over there. Another reason for the Defesians do not wish to return back to North Defesia is due to an iron fist communist dictator government that has violated human rights on a daily basis just about prosecuting anyone for trying to live their daily lives and practice their religion safely.

The Government of FSSU is considering allowing the remaining 7,000 to also apply for citizenship provided they also abandon and give up their citizenship for North Defese if acquring for the citizenship of FSSU.

[L3 Communications]

It looks like the ban on religion is still in force, the economic sanctions and the embargos is still in force untill a ban on religion in North Defese is lifted. Any vessels found at the border of our territorial waters or inside our waters will be boarded upon and all of it's hardware and equipment confiscated along with the confiscated of the vessels and the people onboard will be arrested and prosecutted to the fullest extent of the law serving a maximum of 30 years in jail. Resisting an arrest will result in the vessel and all of it's personnels being fired upon and sunked. Also any aircrafts including civilian aircrafts from North Defese crossing our space territories will be fired upon and the aircraft fired in obliberation.

((OOC: Awfully extreme.))

[Serbian_Soviet_Union]

Extreme measures must be taken or else this will set a precedent for other nation's to ban religion at the expense of it's human rights. The banning of religion cannot happen by force, it can only happen through a referendom if the majority with the overwhelming percentage of 90% agree to the banning of religion then it should then be accepted, however even 90% voting in favor would be considered too low, it should be itleast 95 or 97% voting in favour of the ban and then declaring the nation to be an athiest nation. But in North Defese case, he has banned it at the expense of human rights which the majority of the North Defesian population is against such a move and therefore extreme measures have been taken. At this point there will be no war but if human rights in North Defese do not improve and the government does not lift the ban on religion anytime soon, maybe a humanitarian war might be considered as an option inorder to aid it's people in bringing down the dictator government once and for all and give each and every defesian a chance to democratically elect it's leaders leading to a transitional government from a Communist to a more Democratic government. Democratic Socials or as more people like to call it the Democratic Socialist is a much more acceptable form of government in the case of North Defese proving that it's current leaders have gone mad with power.

[Reavani]

The Reavani Empire condemns such actions, and any and all Defesian citizens seeking freedom to believe in the one true God, are welcome to do so.
Long live the Empire. May the same not be said for your heresies.

[Seculartopia]

OOC:Wow, this is off-topic.

[Takaram]

OOC:Wow, this is off-topic.

ooc: not really

ic:
From: Ministery of Foreign Affairs, Takaram

While we do not approve of your actions, we have decided that religion is not a human necessity, and thus we shall not condemn your actions.

Cynthia Rose, Minister of Foreign Affairs, Takaram

[North Defese]

Extreme measures must be taken or else this will set a precedent for other nation's to ban religion at the expense of it's human rights. The banning of religion cannot happen by force, it can only happen through a referendom if the majority with the overwhelming percentage of 90% agree to the banning of religion then it should then be accepted, however even 90% voting in favor would be considered too low, it should be itleast 95 or 97% voting in favour of the ban and then declaring the nation to be an athiest nation. But in North Defese case, he has banned it at the expense of human rights which the majority of the North Defesian population is against such a move and therefore extreme measures have been taken. At this point there will be no war but if human rights in North Defese do not improve and the government does not lift the ban on religion anytime soon, maybe a humanitarian war might be considered as an option inorder to aid it's people in bringing down the dictator government once and for all and give each and every defesian a chance to democratically elect it's leaders leading to a transitional government from a Communist to a more Democratic government. Democratic Socials or as more people like to call it the Democratic Socialist is a much more acceptable form of government in the case of North Defese proving that it's current leaders have gone mad with power.

Official Defesian Communication to Serbian_Soviet_Union

Chancellor Nathaniel Pierce

I believe I made this clear before, any boarding or assault on a Defesian vessel, will result in a state of war existing between our nation's. Any attempt to harm a Defesian civilian airliner, will result in a state of war.
Choose your actions wisely.

[Czechomany]

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[Shazbotdom]

Reported By -- Judy Smith

Shortly after news reached the Shazbotdom Empire of religions being banned within the Nation of North Defese; travel was banned between North Defese and the Empire as well as anyone from North Defese being ordered to leave the Empire. This caused major concern within the International Community after the high profile arrests of various North Defese civilians within the Shazbotdom Empire whent he 24 hour timeframe set up by the Empire passed.

While several nations of the internatonal community have spoken out against this; a special session of the Parliamentary Committee on Foreign Relations has conveniened in order to go through the 17 applications for Assylum. It is expected that the 17 applications will be accepted while the 4 other nationals from North Defese who have stated, after shooting some rather horrific slangs at the SCS Marines who came to arrest them, that they will support their government will be tried for not only breaking the mandate from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs but also for assault on a member of the Shazbotdom Marine Corps.

It is unknown at this time what the sentence will be for assaulting a member of the Shazbotdom Marine Corps but it is expected by many within the circle of reporters that it will be at least a manditory 50 years at a Shazotdom Military Prison. But until the Military Tribunal is convined, which is expected to be within the next week, there is no way to tell what will become of the four who are in Marine Corps custody.

[Serbian_Soviet_Union]

Official Defesian Communication to Serbian_Soviet_Union

Chancellor Nathaniel Pierce

I believe I made this clear before, any boarding or assault on a Defesian vessel, will result in a state of war existing between our nation's. Any attempt to harm a Defesian civilian airliner, will result in a state of war.
Choose your actions wisely.

Any Defesian vessels or airliners enter our borders illegally will be considered as an violation of our borders and will then a state of war between the two of our nations will be declared. Do not enter FSSU borders illegally.

[Altergo]

Any Defensian Military aircraft and Naval ships, Armed or Not, are asked to leave Altergan Airspace and Naval space immediately, or they will be boarded and the crew will be taken hostage

[Sanctus-Terra]

I've noticed lately that we are quickly diving into more conflict here. Ice that shall soon melt into a full-blown war if we are not careful. Now, who shall I address first? Maybe the Soviets.

You just seem to like to cause a bloody conflict. Don't call me a liar, because so far all you have said to me is how we should start a revolution in his country, continuing to ignore what I said about letting words work their way. I suggest you start listening to my advice or I'll begin to act like I don't even know who you are.

Shazbotdom, you are going to far! Simple as that! Just because this nation does something we don't agree with doesn't mean we can cause harm to the citizens from North Defese who live in our nations! I could claim you are harming human rights right now! Please, just let them go back home! Don't do anything drastic!

North Defese, understand that they just mean in their waters. They know better than to attack your ships in international waters. We should get all these nations together and just talk this out. I'm begging all of you here.

Altergo, just don't do that in international waters and we are fine.

[Serbian_Soviet_Union]

I've noticed lately that we are quickly diving into more conflict here. Ice that shall soon melt into a full-blown war if we are not careful. Now, who shall I address first? Maybe the Soviets.

You just seem to like to cause a bloody conflict. Don't call me a liar, because so far all you have said to me is how we should start a revolution in his country, continuing to ignore what I said about letting words work their way. I suggest you start listening to my advice or I'll begin to act like I don't even know who you are.

We will not do anything unless any vessels or aircrafts comming from North Defese attempt to enter our air space and our waters. We will just not allow anything comming from North Defese to enter our borders or pass through our borders. Simple as that. Few nations already started doing the same thing and we are only practicing our sovereign rights. North Defese has banned religion at the expense of human rights with the majority of his citizens being against the banning of religion and so far the govenrment has gone on a rampage arresting almost anyone attending religious ceremonies and churches and the government also went on a rampage demolishing buildings in a private property not owned by the government.

I am sorry but we are not going to back down from this and we will do everything in our powers to prevent a war from happening, a war will be left as a very last resort and a war will only occure if all talks have been exhausted. Please do not come in and instigate the problem even further by giving us an ultimatium, we either have your support or we don't.

OOC: Btw please do not call us "Soviets" as we are not a communist nation but a Conservative Right Wing/Capitalist nation, the reason i added the wording Soviet is i didn't know the meaning of the Soviet at that time and at that time it just seem to look good in a nation's name. Call us Serbians or what ever but do not refer to us as communists when we are not communists.

[Sanctus-Terra]

I'm not even talking about your telling him to keep away from your national waters, I'm talking about your continued support of a revolution in his country which would be full of unnecessary death! While Sanctus-Terra exist, you will be starting NO revolution in his nation! You can sit on the sidelines or act on your own, we are causing no wars here! Civil or otherwise!

[L3 Communications]

OOC: Btw please do not call us "Soviets" as we are not a communist nation but a Conservative Right Wing/Capitalist nation, the reason i added the wording Soviet is i didn't know the meaning of the Soviet at that time and at that time it just seem to look good in a nation's name. Call us Serbians or what ever but do not refer to us as communists when we are not communists.

((OOC: Soviet = Council.))

[Supreme Cavemen]

What is this? The Soviet Union? And how did that turn out? No body in your nation will except it and soon many people will begin to hate their government and wish to leave and rebel. Religion has always beaten the state. In Russia, In the Roman Empire, in the Viking nations, and soon in China.

[Serbian_Soviet_Union]

I'm not even talking about your telling him to keep away from your national waters, I'm talking about your continued support of a revolution in his country which would be full of unnecessary death! While Sanctus-Terra exist, you will be starting NO revolution in his nation! You can sit on the sidelines or act on your own, we are causing no wars here! Civil or otherwise!

Who said anything about starting a revolution?? Or starting a revolution in Sanctus-Terra ?? Noone has ever mentioned anything about a revolution or discussing any plans on starting a revolution at all. North Defese has banned religion at the expense of human rights with the majority of his citizens being against such a move like that which has resulted in many of his citizens being arrested, harassed and even beaten up on streets. North Defesian's citizens are beaten up on a daily basis and arrested for attending a religious ceremony and for protesting against the banning of religion. Churches, Monasteries, Mosks and other religious sites are being demolished and destroyed everysingle day. Currently we are putting all the presure we can to put an end to this, if this continues we will have no choice but to declare a war and start a humanitarian war by helping the defesian people overthrow the dictator government and giving them a chance to vote and to choose their own government whether it be a socialist, communist, democratic, conservative etc... The current form of government in North Defese is very instable and pretty soon a civil war over there will erupt on it's own and then who knows what will happen. There is a possibility of a genocide occuring over there. We must act as soon as possible inorder to prevent a bigger war from occuring or else millions and millions of people in North Defese will be endangered and killed.

I do propose a humanitarian war, a full scale airstrike on all military targets only, too not put our troops in there untill all military targets have been destroyed then to put our troops in to errodicate the problem once and for all and give each defesian a chance to vote on a government supported by most or all citizens. Then a Treaty should be written and signed by the North Defese government and the withdrawel of troops to be done effective immediate. I propose that our troops are stationed maximum a 6 months period before withdrawing.

We do not want to strain relations between the two of our nations but we will not be presured by your demands either. Ultimatiums are not in the best interests for neither side of the party.

[Santheres]

I do propose a humanitarian war, a full scale airstrike on all military targets only, too not put our troops in there untill all military targets have been destroyed then to put our troops in to errodicate the problem once and for all and give each defesian a chance to vote on a government supported by most or all citizens. Then a Treaty should be written and signed by the North Defese government and the withdrawel of troops to be done effective immediate. I propose that our troops are stationed maximum a 6 months period before withdrawing.

We do not want to strain relations between the two of our nations but we will not be presured by your demands either. Ultimatiums are not in the best interests for neither side of the party.

To: Federation of the Serbian Soviet Union

How dare you blacken the good word of humanitarianism by claiming to initiate a war in its name? You know nothing of humanitarian ventures or general decency if you do such things on such whims. We will not stand for this kind of undue aggression in the name of anything. The very fact that you believe it right and proper to kill innocent people and risk the lives of millions of others in order to achieve your own small goal proves that humanitarianism is not, in fact, foremost in your mind, and neither is the good of the religious community, which you claim to protect and which will be irreparably damaged by every life you take for your own personal glory and conquest.

It is only the heartless and small minded who seek blood and death so quickly as this. We cannot express the level of shame we feel for how every supposed leader has dealt with this issue.

Marchessa Adele de Rossi
Chairman,
Board of Directors
Santherese Humanitarian Society

[Greater Americania]

The Nationalist Federation of Greater Americania will take a stance of neutrality on this issue. Although we are a fellow irreligious nation, irreligiousness is not a major part of our ideology. On top of all this, your declaration doesn't affect us in any significant way at all.

[Seculartopia]

Seculartopia is in full support of Defese, as usual.