National Conference, Forgotten Americans. (technically open)

[Kagetora]

Spies have stolen a sample of the Virus and our researchers have confirmed this is the HR Virus.

OOC: Godmod.

OOC: I myself tried to do a nuclear roleplay thing when I was at about a population of 20-30 million, I was stopped dead in my tracks and ignored.

It's not so much that they can't, when I said "the rule of thumb" I meant in the way that if you do it, most experienced RPers will ignore you. You can drop 1,000,000,000,000,000 Super Indestructible Nukes on them, they'll just ignore it.

Nobody's saying you can't, it's just common to have a bulked up population, so that 1bil+ populations and populations of 10mil aren't evenly matched military/weapons-wise.

I'm not saying a few nukes are bad, it's just widely considered as not a good idea until you have a good population (in NS anyways) to do so.

So I've heard, I may be totally wrong, I myself am a fairly new NSger.

OOC: Exactly. We're not saying you can't have nukes, we're just saying that if you do, we'll ignore you. (And in many cases, those that claimed nukes before 100 million were ignored after they reached the pop level anyway). Also, NSGer refers to one to goes to NS General. Nothing to do with II.

[Serbian_Soviet_Union]

OOC: The population rule has absolutely nothing to do with scientific knowledge, it has to do with economic power. The US spends huge amounts maintaining their nuclear arsenal.

OOC: Who is to say that they can't have one or two nukes? Israel with a GDP of 200 billion is suspected of having a nuclear arsenal of around 60-400 nukes.

South Africa under apartheid maintained a nuclear arsenal of 3-5 warheads.

Russia has the largest nuclear arsenal in the world and their GDP stands at around 1 trillion.

OOC: I myself tried to do a nuclear roleplay thing when I was at about a population of 20-30 million, I was stopped dead in my tracks and ignored.

It's not so much that they can't, when I said "the rule of thumb" I meant in the way that if you do it, most experienced RPers will ignore you. You can drop 1,000,000,000,000,000 Super Indestructible Nukes on them, they'll just ignore it.

Nobody's saying you can't, it's just common to have a bulked up population, so that 1bil+ populations and populations of 10mil aren't evenly matched military/weapons-wise.

I'm not saying a few nukes are bad, it's just widely considered as not a good idea until you have a good population (in NS anyways) to do so.

So I've heard, I may be totally wrong, I myself am a fairly new NSger.

This only applies to development of nukes as developing a nuclear weapon takes alot of manpower and working people to be involved by which the minning industry comes into play, second involves employing minners with a reasonable amount of wage given to them, third requires all the materials and equipment needed to perform minning and also depending on how much uranium can be extracted, a feasibility study and a research needs to be conducted on how much uranium is there inside the nation and what is the level of natural resources which involves uranium located or found, then we need scientists, research facilities, storing facilities also need to be constructed to store the uranium, the nukes, security then comes into play, how the nation will manage the security in securely storing uranium or the nukes, procedures created and a legislation written to pass the law on the possession of nuclear weapons, how or when can the nation and who holds the authority to launch a nuke, there has to be steps included and the launching sequences, which also involves the security and a system created so that noone can hack in and launch the nuke from a home computer, if the launch code is retrieved, there should be a key, or perhaps three keys to unlock the launch sequence allowing for the nuclear bomb to be launched, then there has to be resources and materials needed to develop the bomb, all of this needs to come into consideration, maintaining and possessing nuclear bombs, developing and researching and testing, which is why the budget for a nuclear program is very high due to all these factors involved.

However, with Biological weapon's all you need is a research facilities, scientists and a storage facility to securely store the virus in a environment where the virus will not die due to the environment condition which involves heat and such etc...

Thats why it's easier to develop biological weapons rather then developing nukes, as radiation fall out, it can last over billions of years before the radiation disapears completely where as a biological weapon, used and used by ballistic missiles, the area will only stay infected for itleast 30-60 days, and to disinfect the area is to drop a bomb, not a nuke but perhaps a thermobaric vaccum bomb to rid the virus or quarantine the area and disinfect the area with another solution. When a virus is developed, obviously an anti-dot or a vaccine is also developed. A budget for researching, developing, storing and possessing biological warfare weaponary is far cheaper then possessing nuclear warfar weaponary.

[Serbian_Soviet_Union]

Forgotten Americans seemed to threaten the nation at the time I started this, therefore I considered it a threat.

Even nown, when it isn't threatening, there is evidence that the nation of Comaack has lost thousands of lifes due to the HR Virus. It was confirmed by the Comaack government.

Although this isn't going to provoke war, Forgotten Americans must pay the Comaack Government $4.3bil USD to cover for losses, destruction, and so forth.

There's no way around that, and if Forgotten Americans doesn't comply, war will be declared by Rhodmhire and Comaack against Forgotten Americans and the Allied States.

The Forgoten American's never launched the virus or threatened commack or any other nation in particuliar to launch the HR Virus, however what has happened in Comaack was due to the scare campaign propaganda being broadcasted on their National Television which created such a RIOT in the first place, such panic and upproah which resulted in the death of these families lives therefore the Government of Comaack should take full responsibility for the action for broadbasting the scare campaign and propaganda in the first place.

FORGOTTEN AMERICANS AND THE ALLIED STATE: Will shut down the HR Virus Project immediately. Balistic missiles may be kept, but not used against Rhodmhire unless other reasons arise. The virus will be terminated in any way possible. All damages caused will be paid for, and Forgotten Americans will not create another virus, until it is above a population of 200,000,000 and can prove it will only be used under drastic circumstances. Also, Forgotten Americans will not use this virus against The German Region, unless The German Reason gives strong reasons to utilize it against them."

This is an act of war and an act of hostility, your nation is below the population of 200 million to even be proposing such an ultimatium and issuing the ultimatium to a nation of 100+ million, if such an ultimatium is issued and your nation declares war on the Forgotten Americans, we will not hessitate to intervene and to use all neccessary measures to stop your nation from invading the Forgotten American's over the development of the HR Virus.

This will be seen as an Act of War and a state of war will exist between the Federation of the Serbian Soviet Union and Rhodmhire.

[Nikovalusca]

OOC: Do you know how many billions of dollars a fully tricked-out cell laboratory can cost? Those machines, chemicals, other equipment, and not to mention the salaries of the scientists you need to perform that sophisticated a level of genetic engineering aren't cheap, man. You're also paying for the entire course of educational facilities needed to train those scientists. And you have to factor in the weapons delivery system as well, which almost identical to the delivery system of a nuclear warhead.

[Santheres]

*SNIP*

OOC: Neither your logic nor your actual writing make any sense. Improve on that, please.

[Serbian_Soviet_Union]

OOC: Do you know how many billions of dollars a fully tricked-out cell laboratory can cost? Those machines, chemicals, other equipment, and not to mention the salaries of the scientists you need to perform that sophisticated a level of genetic engineering aren't cheap, man. You're also paying for the entire course of educational facilities needed to train those scientists. And you have to factor in the weapons delivery system as well, which almost identical to the delivery system of a nuclear warhead.

It is far cheaper to develop a biological weapon then developing nukes, as everysingle nation already has scientists and doctors and engineers although their wages or salaries maybe expensive, however it takes less man working power to develop such a weapon as it would take to develop nukes as already explained in my previous post.

[Hamilay]

OOC: I myself tried to do a nuclear roleplay thing when I was at about a population of 20-30 million, I was stopped dead in my tracks and ignored.

It's not so much that they can't, when I said "the rule of thumb" I meant in the way that if you do it, most experienced RPers will ignore you. You can drop 1,000,000,000,000,000 Super Indestructible Nukes on them, they'll just ignore it.

Nobody's saying you can't, it's just common to have a bulked up population, so that 1bil+ populations and populations of 10mil aren't evenly matched military/weapons-wise.

I'm not saying a few nukes are bad, it's just widely considered as not a good idea until you have a good population (in NS anyways) to do so.

So I've heard, I may be totally wrong, I myself am a fairly new NSger.

OOC: The only reason for this 'guideline' (no, it isn't a rule) is simply because the vast majority of 'lol i has nukes' threads are completely unoriginal and/or horribly roleplayed. Since you seem like a sensible person, I don't see why you would have been ignored as such, although not having seen this thread I can't comment with accuracy. Most experienced RPers are not very interested in nuclear roleplays having seen them clog up the forums for eternity but there wouldn't be any reason to ignore them in principle.

So it's recommended that new players don't do nuclear threads because a) they've been done before a billion times and b) nobody cares (as NS nations have obscenely huge nuclear arsenals, it's generally accepted that global apocalypse is unfeasible in NS and we have functioning ABM systems). If you have an original idea for a nuclear RP I would be happy to participate in it.

The 100 million rule is completely pointless since (apart from it being unrealistic) this is hardly a safeguard against stupidity, it takes like a month to get. Plenty of nations on these forums above 100 million population should not be allowed near sharp objects, let alone nuclear weapons.

[Serbian_Soviet_Union]

Rhodmhire telegram me please. Also check your telegram.

[Kagetora]

He's not online.

[Serbian_Soviet_Union]

FSSU RTV Broadcasting News

There is an ongoing debate which have sparked a an upproah between all the political parties and it's parliamentary ministers regarding the situation in the Forgotten American's. The President Vojislav Ljubicic has been strongly criticised for it's possible war threat made to the government of Rhodmhire without looking at both sides of the fact by observing the situation in Commack with the possible HR disease may had been launched into Commack territory through ballistic missiles filled with the HR Virus, at this point the President Vojislav Ljubicic has announced changing it's stance on the issue of Biological Wafare developed by the Forgotten American's and as of now effective immediately, FSSU will remain neutral for a certain period of time untill it has been confirmed by the Commack authorities that the virus that has hit Commack is the HR virus and how it got there in the first place. If the allegations are all true, FSSU will be forced to side with the allies opposed to the development of the HR virus and all measures will be taken to neutralise the threat and for the Forgotten American's to cease it's development of the HR virus and shutdown all it's facilities down.