Planning Thread (ATTN: Kagetora and Augmark)

[Xin Han]

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Okay, so we are going to discussing the "Korean Question". Kagetora and I have discussed the possibility of the RP taking place in the 1930 or 1940s. The possible, discussed scenario could be that the Koreans/Augmark attempt to break off of the ROC. Both the ROC and Kagetora will attempt to invade Augmark to dominate it. This is just a possibility and is subject to change. I would like for Kagetora, Augmark, and I to discuss this RP in depth before we actually start it as all of our nations are presently in the Modern Time period.

[Kagetora]

As discussed, I think the 40's would be the best time to do it, because that's when Kagetora was in a period of expansion.

Also, I think this thread is closed unless you have a good reason to be a part of it.

[Kagetora]

Just to be clear, what we were talking about was a simple timeline, where the details would be filled in by the roleplay.

Background

1940's (WWII tech)
Augmark is on the Korean peninsula as part of China (Xin Han)
Kagetorian War of Expansion has subdued the area of Siberia controlled by modern Kagetora

-Kagetora invades China, starting with Taiwan (Formosa) and Hainan
-Augmark sees the opportunity and breaks free from the rest of China under whatever he wants his leader to be
-Kagetora and China both see the area as a place of importance, and both attack
-Kagetora and China fight to a standstill, and create Augmark as a buffer zone

[Augmark]

Just to be clear, what we were talking about was a simple timeline, where the details would be filled in by the roleplay.

Background

1940's (WWII tech)
Augmark is on the Korean peninsula as part of China (Xin Han)
Kagetorian War of Expansion has subdued the area of Siberia controlled by modern Kagetora

-Kagetora invades China, starting with Taiwan (Formosa) and Hainan
-Augmark sees the opportunity and breaks free from the rest of China under whatever he wants his leader to be
-Kagetora and China both see the area as a place of importance, and both attack
-Kagetora and China fight to a standstill, and create Augmark as a buffer zone

That sounds good, I think I would follow a democratic government from where I break off, but obviously militarized.....maybe a DMZ somewhere, until relations improved. I'm thinking you guys primarily fight each other, mostly in "manchuria" and rl North Korea, while my forces in the south reorganize and attack. Maybe I introduce advanced weapons and tactics that your forces initially cannot compete with, along with the fact that both sides have been warring for some time.......any ideas to this?

[Unilisia]

Umm, wth are you guys talking about <_< >_>

[Augmark]

Umm, wth are you guys talking about <_< >_>

my nation descending from one of these fine nations..........this thread should really be closed

[Xin Han]

Just to be clear, what we were talking about was a simple timeline, where the details would be filled in by the roleplay.

Background

1940's (WWII tech)
Augmark is on the Korean peninsula as part of China (Xin Han)
Kagetorian War of Expansion has subdued the area of Siberia controlled by modern Kagetora

-Kagetora invades China, starting with Taiwan (Formosa) and Hainan
-Augmark sees the opportunity and breaks free from the rest of China under whatever he wants his leader to be
-Kagetora and China both see the area as a place of importance, and both attack
-Kagetora and China fight to a standstill, and create Augmark as a buffer zone

That sounds good, I think I would follow a democratic government from where I break off, but obviously militarized.....maybe a DMZ somewhere, until relations improved. I'm thinking you guys primarily fight each other, mostly in "manchuria" and rl North Korea, while my forces in the south reorganize and attack. Maybe I introduce advanced weapons and tactics that your forces initially cannot compete with, along with the fact that both sides have been warring for some time.......any ideas to this?

That sounds good, with perhaps a final push all the way through Korea where we actually come to a stalemate?

[Kagetora]

Well WWII Japan had aircraft carriers, and so will I. How about you do something like Germany, and design early versions of ICBM's, which my fleet couldn't really defend against?

As for an invasion, the second most logical starting place for me would probably be Manchuria area (even though the Koreas make the most sense, we'll say the military leadership was somewhat lacking).

[Xin Han]

That's an idea. Yes, we could have a military policy of just throwing people at the enemy. Most likely, the ROC forces will throw the Manchus at the Kagetorian forces since the Chinese hold them with disdain.

[Kagetora]

WWII Japan=fight to the death or suicide.

I'll have a pretty similar policy.

[Augmark]

Sounds good, Then I'll take advantage of that numbers policy, along with developing quality weapons and ICBMs.....do your nations have atomic weapons at this point?.....that would also be a tide turner

[Xin Han]

Sounds good, Then I'll take advantage of that numbers policy, along with developing quality weapons and ICBMs.....do your nations have atomic weapons at this point?.....that would also be a tide turner

Do you mean in the 40s or now?

Xin Han has atomic weapons, but never uses them as they cause too much damage to everyone. We prefer to use fuel air bombs and experimental WMDs.

[Augmark]

back in the '40s....when did your nation first acquire atomic weapons?

[Kagetora]

China didn't have weapons at this point.

I'm going to say Kagetora was racing to develop nukes, but hadn't created a working version yet.

As to the ICBM (Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles), I think the maximum range of the time might be from Korea to Tokyo.

[Augmark]

yeah I'm just using ICBM as a generic term....Ballistic Missle.

So maybe I develop a nuclear weapon first, and use it against (for lack of a better term) The hordes from the west

[Kagetora]

So is this what you're thinking?

-Kagetora invades China
-Augmark sees the opportunity and breaks free from the rest of China under whatever he wants his leader to be
-Kagetora and China both see the area as a place of importance, and both attack
-Kagetora and China fight to a standstill
-Augmark shoots off primitive nukes, and we both retreat

or this

-Kagetora invades China
-Augmark sees the opportunity and breaks free from the rest of China under whatever he wants his leader to be
-Kagetora and China both see the area as a place of importance, and both attack
-Augmark shoots off primitive nukes, and we both retreat

[Augmark]

they look pretty much the same, though the first one would give me a higher chance of sucess

[Kagetora]

Well they are pretty much the same, it's really a matter of timing.

It doesn't really matter to me.

[Augmark]

The DMZ guards always seemed so epic http://image55.webshots.com/55/8/88/3/4 ... whv_ph.jpg

I think that's the best course of action. Maybe I introduce some early jet aircraft as well?.......for me its pretty much gonna have to be quality over quantity

[Kagetora]

Early jet engines didn't have much advantages over propellers. In fact, some experts suspected that jet engines would never become common (1950's).

Of course, you could also have extremely good tacticians. I'm not going to, I guarantee you that (in order to help the roleplay) or it could also be a deathground kind of scenario (you don't fight, you die)

I won't be granting Geneva style POW care.

[Augmark]

Early Jets had the capability of flying higher than propeller craft, and around 100 mph faster...with better performance as time progressed

I assume you will be using the Bushidō code for your military? Like no surrender, which I can use to my advantage. My military from the start of the breakaway will use western military tactics studied by generals.

I lol'd at pow care, just like the Japanese then, absolutely brutal. I wonder if Xin Han would be nicer

[Kagetora]

Hmm. I guess a 5/1 k/d ratio would argue in your favor.

The Me 262 had a negligible impact on the course of the war due to its late introduction, with 509 claimed Allied kills (although higher claims are sometimes made) against the loss of about 100 Me 262s.

Yep.

I'd imagine just about anyone would be nicer than the Japanese.

[Augmark]

Hmm. I guess a 5/1 k/d ratio would argue in your favor.

The Me 262 had a negligible impact on the course of the war due to its late introduction, with 509 claimed Allied kills (although higher claims are sometimes made) against the loss of about 100 Me 262s.

Yep.

I'd imagine just about anyone would be nicer than the Japanese.

The Me 262 was a marvel for its time. It was utilized too late in the war, and did not reach its true capabilities

It was primarily used as a fighter bomber as ordered by Hitler, which was not what it was designed for, had it been an interceptor it would have made more of an impact.
They were used to late
They were unable to be mass produced to to Allied Bombing.

Even the Nazis were nicer to POW's than the Japanese

[Kagetora]

So you're basically going to design missiles, jet engines, and primitive nukes in order to get us to back off?

[Augmark]

pretty much, my leadership and military will examine western designs and such, and tactics so hopefully that would be enough