Enemies of CAG(OOC/IC)

[Gracefall]

Alright, the only thing I read was the 1KM long warship thing, which pissed me off so I stopped reading (I read topics backwards, don't ask) but I have this to say:

Just because you're Jolters doesn't mean you have the write to post posts consisting of only "tag", you have to subscribe to the topic like us. Just because you're Jolters doesn't mean you are automatically better roleplayers. You say you are? Prove it, 1KM warship man! Prove to me that you're better than every single modern roleplayer there is! Just because you're Jolters doesn't mean you can bullshit us and say "We're old school, we've been here longer than you, we can pull what we want." Because, no, you can't.

Stop being conceited, get your head out of your self-satisfactory smug ass, and see the world for what it is, not through ass-tinted glasses.

We have to learn to roleplay, but so do you.

Lovely. Friggin' lovely.

(Note: this is not directed towards 1KM man or anyone else in particular, this is just me raving about the general conceit of most Jolters. There are exceptions, and if you have to ask if you are one, you aren't.)

[Cukarica]

This ship was approved by the NSdraftroom and if you have no idea how naval design works kindly stfu.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=551930

also if you think it's not plausible ask Lyras he designed it and he's one of the better equipment designers.

Also Gracefall i haven't said I'm not better then you,and also I'm here on your side but ok if you want more enemies good job you have one more.

[Leistung]

The warship Cuk is talking about is, imho, a pretty good design. It's the idea of an economy of scale, and honestly, it's not hard to destroy at all. A heavy missile on one of the VLSs will cripple the vessel.

The Kraken class, however, is probably the most unbelievable, most wank-filled ship I've ever seen in my days on NationStates. If anyone would like to challenge that claim, please feel free. I'm in a "holier-than-thou" mood today.

[Gracefall]

The warship Cuk is talking about is, imho, a pretty good design. It's the idea of an economy of scale, and honestly, it's not hard to destroy at all. A heavy missile on one of the VLSs will cripple the vessel.

The Kraken class, however, is probably the most unbelievable, most wank-filled ship I've ever seen in my days on NationStates. If anyone would like to challenge that claim, please feel free. I'm in a "holier-than-thou" mood today.

Once I saw a noob post a ship that he stated was about two miles long and had a gazillionty nukes on it and had 440 miles of armor.

Not really, but I'd say that'd be more wankish.

Also, I really don't get the point of longer ships. Other than holding more crap and thus being sunk being more damaging. Feh.

[Leistung]

I would implore you to outright ignore any cases of the Kraken being used. It's simply not possible.

[Gracefall]

Also Gracefall i haven't said I'm not better then you,and also I'm here on your side but ok if you want more enemies good job you have one more.

Way to ignore me, *wisely self-censored*. I said it wasn't directed towards you in specific or any other Jolter in specific, but the general dickish notion that they are betetr than us.

Also, just because it's an OOC post doesn't mean you can abandon grammar.

Edit: Betetr. Heh.

[Comorostan]

This is why I just use RL weaponry, it avoids the whole "that's impossible" debate. And some video games have some cool, plausible MT weaponry which I incorporate.

I see the appeal of having personally designed weaponry, but sometimes I think people take it too far and end up tech-wanking. And then a good RP usually goes down the drain.

[Cukarica]

Also Gracefall i haven't said I'm not better then you,and also I'm here on your side but ok if you want more enemies good job you have one more.

Way to ignore me, *wisely self-censored*. I said it wasn't directed towards you in specific or any other Jolter in specific, but the general dickish notion that they are betetr than us.

Also, just because it's an OOC post doesn't mean you can abandon grammar.

I apologize for my ignorance, I'm really busy writing RPing posts so i honestly don't care if i made a typ-o here and there.
Try to improve your own grammar and RPing and don't improve mine .
Another thing i don't understand is why are you having such a bad opinion of Jolters, yeah, Blackhelm invaded you but it's not true that all of us are n00b crushing self-righteous fagots.

[Chetssaland]

Also Gracefall i haven't said I'm not better then you,and also I'm here on your side but ok if you want more enemies good job you have one more.

Way to ignore me, *wisely self-censored*. I said it wasn't directed towards you in specific or any other Jolter in specific, but the general dickish notion that they are betetr than us.

Also, just because it's an OOC post doesn't mean you can abandon grammar.

I apologize for my ignorance, I'm really busy writing RPing posts so i honestly don't care if i made a typ-o here and there.
Try to improve your own grammar and RPing and don't improve mine .
Another thing i don't understand why are you having such a bad opinion of Jolters, yeah Blackhelm invaded you but it's not true that all of us are n00b crushing self-righteous fagots.

I'd say a lot of them are the dickheads you mentioned there.

[Gracefall]

Also Gracefall i haven't said I'm not better then you,and also I'm here on your side but ok if you want more enemies good job you have one more.

Way to ignore me, *wisely self-censored*. I said it wasn't directed towards you in specific or any other Jolter in specific, but the general dickish notion that they are betetr than us.

Also, just because it's an OOC post doesn't mean you can abandon grammar.

I apologize for my ignorance, I'm really busy writing RPing posts so i honestly don't care if i made a typ-o here and there.
Try to improve your own grammar and RPing and don't improve mine .
Another thing i don't understand is why are you having such a bad opinion of Jolters, yeah, Blackhelm invaded you but it's not true that all of us are n00b crushing self-righteous fagots.

I acknowledged Betetr, and will now be using that in all of my roleplays as often as possible with a little [sic] sign next to it. And dickish is fine, why'd you bold that? For the latter part?

I didn't say all. I said most.

Also, don't use faggot. Which you also spelled wrong. It's offensive.

I don't really have an opinion on Blackhelm. Actually, I do, but I'm not going to state it because the universe seems to be friends with him and I'd get bashed into oblivion.

[Revolvisia]

Another thing i don't understand is why are you having such a bad opinion of Jolters, yeah, Blackhelm invaded you but it's not true that all of us are n00b crushing self-righteous fagots.

We understand that. The majority of Jolters are fine. Having some people who remember the good ole forums helps if they tend to be closer to you, rather than Blackhelm. This is simply directed at Blackhelm and the people defending him.

[Cukarica]

Oh well, whatevr

Well this is my last statement in this thread, as i honestly doubt that Gracefall will accept help, after I've seen that he sees my sluggishness as a threat larger then Blackhelm

[Gracefall]

And you're getting the impression I won't accept help from where...?

[Cukarica]

And you're getting the impression I won't accept help from where...?

Well i honestly doubt that such a "developed" RP'er such as you will accept help from such a Longsword wanking ,bad OOC speller like moi.

[Leistung]

Blackhelm, and by extension Griffencrest, is one of the most ICly hated nations in all of NS. There are probably 5 people who would rush to his defense, and I think you've just seen three of them. Every other nation in the NS world despises him, and what he stands for. It transcends regional sympathies -- really quite remarkable. People who hate each other with a passion can always get together and talk about how much they hate Griffencrest.

Please, do not take the actions of four or five Jolters to mean that we all get our shits and giggles from squashing nations 5x smaller than us.

[Deserted Territories]

OOC: I think all of us should take a step back, separate our out-of-character relations with other players from our in-character wars and move all disputes over tech and role playing styles to private channels.

Keep in mind that the Griffencrest Corporation and NOT the real life person that plays as the Blackhelm Confederacy is invading you. There's no point in calling him out for "noob-stomping" because that is what the Griffencrest Corporation does in-character. Plus the odds aren't ever stacked too high against the smaller nation he is invading despite what it looks like, and every new nation I've seen him invade jumped right on the thread, clearly eager to have a war RP. It's a pity that after the thrill and fun of RPing wears off and a notion of being obligated to actually protect your homeland sets in that it degrades into this kind of situation. You should just play it out and see what happens. Maybe you'll lose IC control of your country for a bit, but the magic of fluid-time means you'll be able to stir up rebellion in just a few RL days, launching another possibly fun RP. And chances are the closer you come to defeat, the more and bigger nations will come to your aid. I'd be surprised if BC made it onto the beaches of your nation without someone twice his population showing up to help you.

As far as arguments over tech and people's ability to role play, use telegrams or instant messaging. Posting on the forums that half of the users are full of themselves and suck is a good way to inflame a lot of tempers. If you have a problem with someone's choice of tech or their quality of RP, discuss it with them only. Chances are you'll come to a solution quickly without hurting feelings.

The best RPs are the ones that don't explode with people's opinions like this. They are the ones that are planned and discussed off-site or in an OOC thread and consist of only a back and forth between two (or maybe more) players. Sadly, they also usually have a big CLOSED tag to keep out the people who will immediately generate a post in the middle of an IC thread to call foul. Keep it private, and don't take it personal.

[Revolvisia]

Blackhelm, and by extension Griffencrest, is one of the most ICly hated nations in all of NS. There are probably 5 people who would rush to his defense, and I think you've just seen three of them. Every other nation in the NS world despises him, and what he stands for. It transcends regional sympathies -- really quite remarkable. People who hate each other with a passion can always get together and talk about how much they hate Griffencrest.

Please, do not take the actions of four or five Jolters to mean that we all get our shits and giggles from squashing nations 5x smaller than us.

We don't believe that at all. But from meeting three of five nations that defend him, and not being helped by any of the other hundreds you can see why our view could be slightly skewed.

[Cukarica]

I just received a TG from Opola, and obviously you guys now see the problem.

FlagThe Armed Republic of Opola
New. Received: 2 hours ago we will never give up to u.

That pretty much explains everything.

EDIT1: I honestly view that as plain dumb, as i haven't made an IC move against CAG, and even offered help OOCly.

EDIT2:

1.The Empire of The Zombay
2. For protection and to offer military help if needed.
3. No alliances or wars.
4. 188 million citizens-9 million solders,2million bombers,2 million war ships ,and 1 million tanks.
5.Corrupt Dictatorship
6.Type of Political system.
7.Strong
8. No conflicts at the moment.

This is another thing why people don't take you guys seriously.

[Leistung]

OOC: DT, I can't even tell you how tired I am of hearing that response. There comes a time where you have to realize that you're stacking the odds to the point where it's no longer fun for new players. It doesn't help that he's setting possibly the worst example I've seen for new players by teleporting a fleet 200 km off someone's shore, firing 600 anti-ship missiles at no particular targets from beyond the radar horizon, and then claiming that a super dreadnought which can launch heavy bombers and have 14 railguns is kosher on NS.

By the way, I notice that when a large player discovers a deposit of oil, Griffencrest is nowhere to be found. It's only when a tiny little guy who has no idea that there's some spiteful corporation lurking around discovers one that he jumps in and invades.

[Chetssaland]

I just received a TG from Opola, and obviously you guys now see the problem.

FlagThe Armed Republic of Opola
New. Received: 2 hours ago we will never give up to u.

That pretty much explains everything.

EDIT: I honestly view that as plain dumb, as i haven't made an IC move against CAG, and even offered help OOCly.

Thats Opola, its not our fault. I didnt want him in. The rest of CAG isnt like that.

[Chetssaland]

I just received a TG from Opola, and obviously you guys now see the problem.

FlagThe Armed Republic of Opola
New. Received: 2 hours ago we will never give up to u.

That pretty much explains everything.

EDIT1: I honestly view that as plain dumb, as i haven't made an IC move against CAG, and even offered help OOCly.

EDIT2:

1.The Empire of The Zombay
2. For protection and to offer military help if needed.
3. No alliances or wars.
4. 188 million citizens-9 million solders,2million bombers,2 million war ships ,and 1 million tanks.
5.Corrupt Dictatorship
6.Type of Political system.
7.Strong
8. No conflicts at the moment.

This is another thing why people don't take you guys seriously.

Yeah theres the thing that I dont like about CAG. We accept too many people. I didnt want Commack, Augmark, or Opola, but we got them. We need to stop accepting everyone. Hell, we even accepted some one with half and application. I'll give you that, they do accept too many people.

[Deserted Territories]

OOC: DT, I can't even tell you how tired I am of hearing that response. There comes a time where you have to realize that you're stacking the odds to the point where it's no longer fun for new players. It doesn't help that he's setting possibly the worst example I've seen for new players by teleporting a fleet 200 km off someone's shore, firing 600 anti-ship missiles at no particular targets from beyond the radar horizon, and then claiming that a super dreadnought which can launch heavy bombers and have 14 railguns is kosher on NS.

By the way, I notice that when a large player discovers a deposit of oil, Griffencrest is nowhere to be found. It's only when a tiny little guy who has no idea that there's some spiteful corporation lurking around discovers one that he jumps in and invades.

OOC: The odds really aren't stacked. It's part of Ralkovia's and Griffencrest's forces against at least half a dozen nations. And frankly, I personally have no problem with fluid time since 6 months of travel at sea is no fun to write about, but this is getting back into the rut of discussing other people's style and ability publicly. And as I said, Griffencrest's IC style includes wresting resources from smaller nations. Of course they don't attack bigger nations: there are limits on Griffencrest's IC power that its IC leaders know well.

[Revolvisia]

Yeah theres the thing that I dont like about CAG. We accept too many people. I didnt want Commack, Augmark, or Opola, but we got them. We need to stop accepting everyone. Hell, we even accepted some one with half and application. I'll give you that, they do accept too many people.

I told you guys to stop doing that. Seriously, when this is over, and CAG happens to rise from the ashes, I need a bit more power there to stop this kind of thing happening again.

[Augmark]

Yeah theres the thing that I dont like about CAG. We accept too many people. I didnt want Commack, Augmark, or Opola, but we got them. We need to stop accepting everyone. Hell, we even accepted some one with half and application. I'll give you that, they do accept too many people.

I know you didn't want me because I was a corporation, but I am now an actual nation

[Hamilay]

Blackhelm, and by extension Griffencrest, is one of the most ICly hated nations in all of NS. There are probably 5 people who would rush to his defense, and I think you've just seen three of them. Every other nation in the NS world despises him, and what he stands for. It transcends regional sympathies -- really quite remarkable. People who hate each other with a passion can always get together and talk about how much they hate Griffencrest.

Please, do not take the actions of four or five Jolters to mean that we all get our shits and giggles from squashing nations 5x smaller than us.

We don't believe that at all. But from meeting three of five nations that defend him, and not being helped by any of the other hundreds you can see why our view could be slightly skewed.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but Blackhelm is not terribly popular OOCly either. For this reason a large number of nations who dislike him ICly and would otherwise help you try to avoid RPing with him.