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Postby European Federal Union » Sat Mar 30, 2024 6:54 am

Assassins BrotherHoodd wrote:snip


Delete anything in between the two quote codes, and replace it with the word "snip" honestly its quite simple..........
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Postby Assassins BrotherHoodd » Sat Mar 30, 2024 6:59 am

Janpia wrote:Snip




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Postby Heldervin » Sat Mar 30, 2024 7:10 am

European Federal Union wrote:Tho, I do also have the question of how religious the average Heldervinian is. Like are they extremely deep into their faiths, or are they seeing that more relaxed

Fairly religious. Most who follow a religion don't want to get smitten by their God or Gods.

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Postby European Federal Union » Sat Mar 30, 2024 7:12 am

Heldervin wrote:
European Federal Union wrote:Tho, I do also have the question of how religious the average Heldervinian is. Like are they extremely deep into their faiths, or are they seeing that more relaxed

Fairly religious. Most who follow a religion don't want to get smitten by their God or Gods.


That doesnt really fit together, they have great critical thinking skills and a average IQ of 105, but still are Fairly religious those are somewhat contradicting each other
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Postby Janpia » Sat Mar 30, 2024 7:12 am

Ima make the strike package post. TLDR every boats detected on the east, including or NOT including EFU maybe, will be saturated and targeted.

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Postby Heldervin » Sat Mar 30, 2024 7:13 am

European Federal Union wrote:
Heldervin wrote:Fairly religious. Most who follow a religion don't want to get smitten by their God or Gods.


That doesnt really fit together, they have great critical thinking skills and a average IQ of 105, but still are Fairly religious those are somewhat contradicting each other

It does if a nation once imposed religion on the people. *Ahem* like Ledonians.

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Postby European Federal Union » Sat Mar 30, 2024 7:17 am

Heldervin wrote:
European Federal Union wrote:
That doesnt really fit together, they have great critical thinking skills and a average IQ of 105, but still are Fairly religious those are somewhat contradicting each other

It does if a nation once imposed religion on the people. *Ahem* like Ledonians.


That wouldnt really work, if people have great ciritical thinking skills thus are able to question things to a large extend faith becomes incredibly shaky, which means by educating them on the art of advanced science the degree of their religiousness could be weakend over time, if also evidence is provided that their religion is rather destructive or wrong
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Postby Janpia » Sat Mar 30, 2024 7:17 am

Janpia wrote:Ima make the strike package post. TLDR every boats detected on the east, including or NOT including EFU maybe, will be saturated and targeted.

Finally decided ⌓‿⌓
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Postby European Federal Union » Sat Mar 30, 2024 7:18 am

Janpia wrote:snip


The degree of luck I have sometimes fells devine.....
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Postby Janpia » Sat Mar 30, 2024 7:19 am

Heldervin wrote:
European Federal Union wrote:
That doesnt really fit together, they have great critical thinking skills and a average IQ of 105, but still are Fairly religious those are somewhat contradicting each other

It does if a nation once imposed religion on the people. *Ahem* like Ledonians.


Critical thinking requires questioning of faith. And most of the time, science prevailed over religion due to the lack of hard evidence. Lightning can be explained not from Zeus but from charged particles in the clouds

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Postby Assassins BrotherHoodd » Sat Mar 30, 2024 7:21 am

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Postby Tiami » Sat Mar 30, 2024 7:22 am

European Federal Union wrote:
Tiami wrote:[*] Avoid quoting the posts you are responding to, or delete them once you have responded. This Helps to keep the IC thread clean and provides better detail on current happenings.
[*] If you're responding to several posts, avoid quoting the posts as well. Try to use separate paragraphs to respond to separate events, be it big or small events.


Avoiding quoting over all isnt really good advise, it makes it easier for people to know who responded to who. One can just snip the quotes, or do what I did rn, cutting out and only keeping what is important
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Hey, you’re free to RP however you choose. That’s the glory of NS RP and what makes it such a fun endeavor! What I advised was to delete the quote after the appropriate response has been written for each quote that you are responding to. This is something that many RPers on the NS RPing have done for well over a decade. It’s simply a method to keep an IC thread clean. That’s it. It’s completely up to the participants involved on whether or not they keep the quotes in. No one is forcing anything. :)

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Postby Heldervin » Sat Mar 30, 2024 7:22 am

European Federal Union wrote:
Heldervin wrote:It does if a nation once imposed religion on the people. *Ahem* like Ledonians.


That wouldnt really work, if people have great ciritical thinking skills thus are able to question things to a large extend faith becomes incredibly shaky, which means by educating them on the art of advanced science the degree of their religiousness could be weakend over time, if also evidence is provided that their religion is rather destructive or wrong

Janpia wrote:
Heldervin wrote:It does if a nation once imposed religion on the people. *Ahem* like Ledonians.


Critical thinking requires questioning of faith. And most of the time, science prevailed over religion due to the lack of hard evidence. Lightning can be explained not from Zeus but from charged particles in the clouds

Then you have Gods who cover those areas. The most prevalent religion, which ranks #1 by 21% of the population, has too many Gods too count. And given the hierarchy, you have them taking care of the most obscure things. Species defecation? Han-Von-Heidon! Decomposition after death? Melusina-Taube!

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Postby Janpia » Sat Mar 30, 2024 7:25 am

Heldervin wrote:
European Federal Union wrote:
That wouldnt really work, if people have great ciritical thinking skills thus are able to question things to a large extend faith becomes incredibly shaky, which means by educating them on the art of advanced science the degree of their religiousness could be weakend over time, if also evidence is provided that their religion is rather destructive or wrong

Janpia wrote:
Critical thinking requires questioning of faith. And most of the time, science prevailed over religion due to the lack of hard evidence. Lightning can be explained not from Zeus but from charged particles in the clouds

Then you have Gods who cover those areas. The most prevalent religion, which ranks #1 by 21% of the population, has too many Gods too count. And given the hierarchy, you have them taking care of the most obscure things. Species defecation? Han-Von-Heidon! Decomposition after death? Melusina-Taube!

As a matter of fact, the most obscure things are the most easiest to explain by scientific logic. And since its not monotheistic in nature, I'd expect that there would be sects of disagreement, basically throwing the entire critical thinking logic part.

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Postby European Federal Union » Sat Mar 30, 2024 7:26 am

Heldervin wrote:Then you have Gods who cover those areas. The most prevalent religion, which ranks #1 by 21% of the population, has too many Gods too count. And given the hierarchy, you have them taking care of the most obscure things. Species defecation? Han-Von-Heidon! Decomposition after death? Melusina-Taube!


That doesnt really work as a response to to either of the criticism voiced, it just repeats what religion is. And its not an answer to anything religion just adds an additional layer. Who created the tree (Insert X god) okay, but who created X god? The principal od religion is based around people not questioning it, and lacking the critical thinking skills to do so.
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Postby Heldervin » Sat Mar 30, 2024 7:28 am

European Federal Union wrote:
Heldervin wrote:Then you have Gods who cover those areas. The most prevalent religion, which ranks #1 by 21% of the population, has too many Gods too count. And given the hierarchy, you have them taking care of the most obscure things. Species defecation? Han-Von-Heidon! Decomposition after death? Melusina-Taube!


That doesnt really work as a response to to either of the criticism voiced, it just repeats what religion is. And its not an answer to anything religion just adds an additional layer. Who created the tree (Insert X god) okay, but who created X god? The principal od religion is based around people not questioning it, and lacking the critical thinking skills to do so.

That's exactly why the first God is, or at least was, until all the Gods ganged up against him, primordial! Well not really primordial, but with a big bang (not to be confused with the formation of our galaxy) he popped into existance.

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Postby European Federal Union » Sat Mar 30, 2024 7:30 am

Heldervin wrote:That's exactly why the first God is, or at least was, until all the Gods ganged up against him, primordial! Well not really primordial, but with a big bang (not to be confused with the formation of our galaxy) he popped into existance.


Adding another layer of complexity, now who created the firs good?
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Postby Heldervin » Sat Mar 30, 2024 7:32 am

European Federal Union wrote:
Heldervin wrote:That's exactly why the first God is, or at least was, until all the Gods ganged up against him, primordial! Well not really primordial, but with a big bang (not to be confused with the formation of our galaxy) he popped into existance.


Adding another layer of complexity, now who created the firs good?

The explosion created the first God. The Void, a separate realm ruled by horrifying creatures, dealt with an ear-shattering combustion and bore the first God.

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Postby Janpia » Sat Mar 30, 2024 7:34 am

Heldervin wrote:
European Federal Union wrote:
Adding another layer of complexity, now who created the firs good?

The explosion created the first God. The Void, a separate realm ruled by horrifying creatures, dealt with an ear-shattering combustion and bore the first God.

Ima go this with logic. Can you scientifically prove the void and entities? Or this first god, do you have scientific evidence? THATS critical thinking
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Postby European Federal Union » Sat Mar 30, 2024 7:35 am

Heldervin wrote:The explosion created the first God. The Void, a separate realm ruled by horrifying creatures, dealt with an ear-shattering combustion and bore the first God.


If the first god was created out of "nothing" why cant the same be said for the world itself now. This would be the less complex, and more likely scenario given that it has less layers of complexity
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Postby Heldervin » Sat Mar 30, 2024 7:38 am

Janpia wrote:
Heldervin wrote:snip

Ima go this with logic. Can you scientifically prove the void and entities? Or this first god, do you have scientific evidence?

The first God was killed long before we became sentient. Probably for the better. From the depictions of art bestowed by the Gods, he was a cruel ruler.

This Void is a realm of chaos. Have you ever thought of bad luck? I'm sure everything's gone wrong for you some time. The eldritch horrors in that realm draw from the seemingly infinite well of the Void and use it to make everything go badly in the worst possible way.
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Heldervin wrote:The explosion created the first God. The Void, a separate realm ruled by horrifying creatures, dealt with an ear-shattering combustion and bore the first God.


If the first god was created out of "nothing" why cant the same be said for the world itself now. This would be the less complex, and more likely scenario given that it has less layers of complexity

The Void is not pure nothingness. As I said, there are eldritch horrors in that terrible, terrible realm.

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Postby Janpia » Sat Mar 30, 2024 7:40 am

Heldervin wrote:
Janpia wrote:Ima go this with logic. Can you scientifically prove the void and entities? Or this first god, do you have scientific evidence?

The first God was killed long before we became sentient. Probably for the better. From the depictions of art bestowed by the Gods, he was a cruel ruler.

This Void is a realm of chaos. Have you ever thought of bad luck? I'm sure everything's gone wrong for you some time. The eldritch horrors in that realm draw from the seemingly infinite well of the Void and use it to make everything go badly in the worst possible way.
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If the first god was created out of "nothing" why cant the same be said for the world itself now. This would be the less complex, and more likely scenario given that it has less layers of complexity

The Void is not pure nothingness. As I said, there are eldritch horrors in that terrible, terrible realm.


Now you are just making up stuff on the spot. There is ALWAYS a scientific way to prove the existence of Gods, heck even irl religion can be traced. Where did this art came from and what people made it? etc etc.
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Postby Janpia » Sat Mar 30, 2024 7:46 am

Whole question. Is there anyone on the seas beyond the eastern Heldervin coast?
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Postby Heldervin » Sat Mar 30, 2024 7:46 am

Janpia wrote:
Heldervin wrote:The first God was killed long before we became sentient. Probably for the better. From the depictions of art bestowed by the Gods, he was a cruel ruler.

This Void is a realm of chaos. Have you ever thought of bad luck? I'm sure everything's gone wrong for you some time. The eldritch horrors in that realm draw from the seemingly infinite well of the Void and use it to make everything go badly in the worst possible way.

The Void is not pure nothingness. As I said, there are eldritch horrors in that terrible, terrible realm.


Now you are just making up stuff on the spot. There is ALWAYS a scientific way to prove the existence of Gods, heck even irl religion can be traced. Where did this art came from and what people made it? etc etc.

Well, the Gods made this artwork, using, ahem animal blood. The next generation of Gods condemned the earlier Gods. The art came from several different places, but most noticeably the Wolfgangia, where prophets used to issue prophecies and predicted the complete and utter destruction of the world.

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