The Great Heldervinian Civil War OOC

[Volkovograd]

Oh, that’s my bad. I misunderstood. Anyways, it just has to get enough where we can extract mating pheromones anyways, and then we can just use those.

What do you mean by "...it just has to get enough where we can extract mating pheromones...?"

I mean it just has to work long enough to where we can kill some, and then extract mating pheromones from them to then use to create more effective traps.

[Heldervin]

What do you mean by "...it just has to get enough where we can extract mating pheromones...?"

I mean it just has to work long enough to where we can kill some, and then extract mating pheromones from them to then use to create more effective traps.

So what you're saying is that you need to lure a few and kill them, and then extract the pheromones?

I will point out that now is a bit late for mating. Most helderbus would ignore the pheromones and continue migrating.

[Volkovograd]

I mean it just has to work long enough to where we can kill some, and then extract mating pheromones from them to then use to create more effective traps.

So what you're saying is that you need to lure a few and kill them, and then extract the pheromones?
I will point out that now is a bit late for mating. Most helderbus would ignore the pheromones and continue migrating.

Ok. Well, then the other option is to paralyze one and leave it the middle of a killing field, and lure them in that way. And record the sounds.

[Heldervin]

So what you're saying is that you need to lure a few and kill them, and then extract the pheromones?
I will point out that now is a bit late for mating. Most helderbus would ignore the pheromones and continue migrating.

Ok. Well, then the other option is to paralyze one and leave it the middle of a killing field, and lure them in that way. And record the sounds.

Yes, it would be; though I question how you would manage to hunt such large coalitions.

[Volkovograd]

Ok. Well, then the other option is to paralyze one and leave it the middle of a killing field, and lure them in that way. And record the sounds.

Yes, it would be; though I question how you would manage to hunt such large coalitions.

With traps and helicopters.

[European Federal Union]

Yes, it would be; though I question how you would manage to hunt such large coalitions.

With traps and helicopters.

I mean like, just use thermal imagers and helicopters (and drones)

[Heldervin]

With traps and helicopters.

I mean like, just use thermal imagers and helicopters (and drones)

You might be able to track them, but you have to keep in mind that if the drones were flying low enough, the helderbus could snap them with their jaws.

[European Federal Union]

You might be able to track them, but you have to keep in mind that if the drones were flying low enough, the helderbus could snap them with their jaws.

I mean, even your average cheap chinese crap drone can reach hights well above tree line. Obviously it depends on the drones tho at an altitude inbetween 50-100m or even 20-30 you would be pretty much safe from any non-flying animal

[Heldervin]

You might be able to track them, but you have to keep in mind that if the drones were flying low enough, the helderbus could snap them with their jaws.

I mean, even your average cheap chinese crap drone can reach hights well above tree line. Obviously it depends on the drones tho at an altitude inbetween 50-100m or even 20-30 you would be pretty much safe from any non-flying animal

Perhaps, but the jungles are a bit... dense for drones to see through. Plus, there is a winged subspecies of the helderbu.

[Volkovograd]

You might be able to track them, but you have to keep in mind that if the drones were flying low enough, the helderbus could snap them with their jaws.

I mean, even your average cheap chinese crap drone can reach hights well above tree line. Obviously it depends on the drones tho at an altitude inbetween 50-100m or even 20-30 you would be pretty much safe from any non-flying animal

Yeah, exactly. And House !c0gnit0 has good drones. No matter the way you slice it, even if the lion trap doesn’t work, the helicopters and drones would be good at hunting. And we can just seed the migration paths with traps as well. We were hired to do a job, and we don’t break contracts…

[Heldervin]

I mean, even your average cheap chinese crap drone can reach hights well above tree line. Obviously it depends on the drones tho at an altitude inbetween 50-100m or even 20-30 you would be pretty much safe from any non-flying animal

Yeah, exactly. And House !c0gnit0 has good drones. No matter the way you slice it, even if the lion trap doesn’t work, the helicopters and drones would be good at hunting. And we can just seed the migration paths with traps as well. We were hired to do a job, and we don’t break contracts…

Do you know the migration paths? Plus, helderbus, are strong. And if one was caught, they'd just abandon it and look out for potential predators.

[Volkovograd]

I mean, even your average cheap chinese crap drone can reach hights well above tree line. Obviously it depends on the drones tho at an altitude inbetween 50-100m or even 20-30 you would be pretty much safe from any non-flying animal

Perhaps, but the jungles are a bit... dense for drones to see through. Plus, there is a winged subspecies of the helderbu.

Well, for the winged subspecies we can just attach a speaker that plays high pitched sounds that humans can’t hear but Helderbus can to immobilize them. And thermal imaging doesn’t rely on dense jungle. And worst come to worse we can just burn the jungle.

[Volkovograd]

Yeah, exactly. And House !c0gnit0 has good drones. No matter the way you slice it, even if the lion trap doesn’t work, the helicopters and drones would be good at hunting. And we can just seed the migration paths with traps as well. We were hired to do a job, and we don’t break contracts…

Do you know the migration paths? Plus, helderbus, are strong. And if one was caught, they'd just abandon it and look out for potential predators.

Yes, given the migration paths are publicly accessible information and can presumably be found in multiple scientific studies.

[Heldervin]

Perhaps, but the jungles are a bit... dense for drones to see through. Plus, there is a winged subspecies of the helderbu.

Well, for the winged subspecies we can just attach a speaker that plays high pitched sounds that humans can’t hear but Helderbus can to immobilize them. And thermal imaging doesn’t rely on dense jungle. And worst come to worse we can just burn the jungle.

Ok, true, BUT, what stops them from then retreating into their dens?

Do you know the migration paths? Plus, helderbus, are strong. And if one was caught, they'd just abandon it and look out for potential predators.

Yes, given the migration paths are publicly accessible information and can presumably be found in multiple scientific studies.

Not the helderbu. There was a time when helderbus were illegally poached. Why? Because some fool decided to leak the path to the public. Maybe in scientific studies, but those would be classified and would only be given to environmental agencies that swear a solemn oath.

[Volkovograd]

Well, for the winged subspecies we can just attach a speaker that plays high pitched sounds that humans can’t hear but Helderbus can to immobilize them. And thermal imaging doesn’t rely on dense jungle. And worst come to worse we can just burn the jungle.

Ok, true, BUT, what stops them from then retreating into their dens?

Yes, given the migration paths are publicly accessible information and can presumably be found in multiple scientific studies.

Not the helderbu. There was a time when helderbus were illegally poached. Why? Because some fool decided to leak the path to the public. Maybe in scientific studies, but those would be classified and would only be given to environmental agencies that swear a solemn oath.

Nothing stops them from retreating to their dens. This is a good thing because it means we have trapped them in an enclosed space, allowing us to hunt them easier.

As for the migratory paths, bribery is a thing. The Heldeverin government, especially the east Heldeverin government isn’t incorruptible. It isn’t a hive mind. Somewhere there is corruptible officials. Or, given the presumed knowledge of those who now work for the EFU in east Heldeverin, I can just pay them for the info.

[Heldervin]

Ok, true, BUT, what stops them from then retreating into their dens?

Not the helderbu. There was a time when helderbus were illegally poached. Why? Because some fool decided to leak the path to the public. Maybe in scientific studies, but those would be classified and would only be given to environmental agencies that swear a solemn oath.

Nothing stops them from retreating to their dens. This is a good thing because it means we have trapped them in an enclosed space, allowing us to hunt them easier.

As for the migratory paths, bribery is a thing. The Heldeverin government, especially the east Heldeverin government isn’t incorruptible. It isn’t a hive mind. Somewhere there is corruptible officials. Or, given the presumed knowledge of those who now work for the EFU in east Heldeverin, I can just pay them for the info.

It's a good thing, except they sometimes store food. Also, if you did hunt along the paths, you'd cause a mass extinction of the Greater Heldervinian Area; the helderbus would die, and since they're an apex AND keystone predator, their prey would go out of whack, and I think you know where this is going, with hundreds of insects buzzing about.

Also, you expect them to risk incurring the wrath of the Saletry Gods? They are seen as a divine species. Plus, you'd be exterminating a potential species that would become sentient in the future. They already display some intelligence, at least compared to other animals. Also, who is the government for East Heldervin? They themselves, or the EFU?

[Volkovograd]

Nothing stops them from retreating to their dens. This is a good thing because it means we have trapped them in an enclosed space, allowing us to hunt them easier.

As for the migratory paths, bribery is a thing. The Heldeverin government, especially the east Heldeverin government isn’t incorruptible. It isn’t a hive mind. Somewhere there is corruptible officials. Or, given the presumed knowledge of those who now work for the EFU in east Heldeverin, I can just pay them for the info.

It's a good thing, except they sometimes store food. Also, if you did hunt along the paths, you'd cause a mass extinction of the Greater Heldervinian Area; the helderbus would die, and since they're an apex AND keystone predator, their prey would go out of whack, and I think you know where this is going, with hundreds of insects buzzing about.

Also, you expect them to risk incurring the wrath of the Saletry Gods? They are seen as a divine species. Plus, you'd be exterminating a potential species that would become sentient in the future. They already display some intelligence, at least compared to other animals. Also, who is the government for East Heldervin? They themselves, or the EFU?

Honestly? I wasn’t paid to care about the mass extinction. I was paid to kill Helderbus. Also,Volkovograd doesn’t believe in the Saletry Gods. They have their own god. And… technically there is a independent government of East Heldeverin, but they are controlled and played by the EFU

[Heldervin]

It's a good thing, except they sometimes store food. Also, if you did hunt along the paths, you'd cause a mass extinction of the Greater Heldervinian Area; the helderbus would die, and since they're an apex AND keystone predator, their prey would go out of whack, and I think you know where this is going, with hundreds of insects buzzing about.

Also, you expect them to risk incurring the wrath of the Saletry Gods? They are seen as a divine species. Plus, you'd be exterminating a potential species that would become sentient in the future. They already display some intelligence, at least compared to other animals. Also, who is the government for East Heldervin? They themselves, or the EFU?

Honestly? I wasn’t paid to care about the mass extinction. I was paid to kill Helderbus. Also,Volkovograd doesn’t believe in the Saletry Gods. They have their own god. And… technically there is a independent government of East Heldeverin, but they are controlled and played by the EFU

But it's governed by East Heldervin, correct?

[Volkovograd]

Honestly? I wasn’t paid to care about the mass extinction. I was paid to kill Helderbus. Also,Volkovograd doesn’t believe in the Saletry Gods. They have their own god. And… technically there is a independent government of East Heldeverin, but they are controlled and played by the EFU

But it's governed by East Heldervin, correct?

Do you mean IC or OOC?

[Heldervin]

But it's governed by East Heldervin, correct?

Do you mean IC or OOC?

ICly.

[Volkovograd]

Do you mean IC or OOC?

ICly.

That’s a question for the EFU, to be honest…

[Vorkat]

i know im an outsider to this but heldervin if you constantly find yourself butting heads with everyone here and arguing over the most minute, hyper-specific details of the different actions theyre all collectively taking against you, you probably dont actually enjoy this RP and just find yourself taking part in it out of obligation. Or what do I know, I'm not a mind reader or a psychoanalyst. Maybe you're a masochist. But if I was in your position, I would not be having fun.

[New Heldervinia]

i know im an outsider to this but heldervin if you constantly find yourself butting heads with everyone here and arguing over the most minute, hyper-specific details of the different actions theyre all collectively taking against you, you probably dont actually enjoy this RP and just find yourself taking part in it out of obligation. Or what do I know, I'm not a mind reader or a psychoanalyst. Maybe you're a masochist. But if I was in your position, I would not be having fun.

Well, I am having fun. I just generally prefer to argue my point.

[Vorkat]

i know im an outsider to this but heldervin if you constantly find yourself butting heads with everyone here and arguing over the most minute, hyper-specific details of the different actions theyre all collectively taking against you, you probably dont actually enjoy this RP and just find yourself taking part in it out of obligation. Or what do I know, I'm not a mind reader or a psychoanalyst. Maybe you're a masochist. But if I was in your position, I would not be having fun.

Well, I am having fun. I just generally prefer to argue my point.

hard to believe but very well

[European Federal Union]

ICly.

That’s a question for the EFU, to be honest…

Yesnt, its government is the same as the occupation government setup by the EFU, made up by a group of generals and economic advisors from the EFU