Declaration of war upon Kingly Beings (CLOSED)(REAL)

[VendusDragon]

The Community of Kingly Beings, because of it's oppressive theistic regime has sparked the anger of the two great nations of Vinco Caudex and VendusDragon. We have therefore decided to resolve the problem with OutRight War!

[Churchilland]

There are other ways of settling things - try them first because wars are bad

[The worlds nation]

sorry, but I know these guys and I can conclude thats not going to happen...

[Vinco Caudex]

Why have you closed the forum? Kingly Beings can't get in now. Our kindly proposal that he "donate" land and money to make the problem "go away" has been responded to with insults. We must wipe them out!

[VendusDragon]

FOR GODS SAKE!!! It's closed for a reason!!

We're school friends and we are just having fun!!!
We just wan't to see who is better!

[VendusDragon]

Who insulted?

[VendusDragon]

No, Closed means we can invite. Open means anyone can get in

[Kingly Beings]

I will ignore your threats of warfare and continue with my supposedly "oppressive" regime which happens to cater all public needs. I am in great sympathy with Dawkins and my pro-religion legislations only exist because they were the most peaceful of the offered ramifications.

By the way, I have now changed my Motto as I have realised that Michael Mosley is just an idiot that goes through history talking about things he doesn't understand and therefore cannot explain them to us.
I propose a challenge to you to explain to me how the bloody hell a Vacuum-Steam Engine (with its condenser) and a Voltaic Pile (that horrible old nuisance) actually work because Mosley, the stupid fool, simply mentions them but doesn't go into any detail and no article across the entire Internet explains them.

[Vinco Caudex]

Due to your outright insult to the voltaic pile, Vinco Caudex will now utterly crush you. I think you are being too harsh about Michael Moseley. He is a surgeon after all and you can't expect him to blabber on about electromagnetism or steam engines. However, if you watch "Atom", you'll see that Jim Al-kahlili goes into a lot more detail as he is actually a practising nuclear physicist.

[VendusDragon]

OK...I didn't understand any of that...
Let's just go to war+this is not real...we just wan't to see who is the better military commander. Saumitre has the upper hand as he has two nations.

[Vinco Caudex]

Vinco Caudex formally declares war upon Kingly Beings. It has been decided that this is an MT (Modern Technology) thread and that no nuclear weapons may be used. However, nuclear POWER and DUA (Depleted Uranium Ammunition) may still be used.

After this, the Esteemed Leader of Vinco Caudex delivers a rousing speech and gives command of the war effort to Field Marshal Ernest "The Cart Engine" Jong-Il, a veteran General of the Vinco Caudexian Army.

[Kingly Beings]

Due to your outright insult to the voltaic pile, Vinco Caudex will now utterly crush you. I think you are being too harsh about Michael Moseley. He is a surgeon after all and you can't expect him to blabber on about electromagnetism or steam engines. However, if you watch "Atom", you'll see that Jim Al-kahlili goes into a lot more detail as he is actually a practising nuclear physicist.

Oh! I didn't know he was a medical scientist, I thought he was a presenter for all types of science and understood it all: After all, he presented Walking With Dinosaurs (a Biology-based show), The Human Face (a Physics/Physiology-based show) and Inventions that Changed the World (an Everything-based show). I don't think he should be presenting The Story of Science if he doesn't understand it.
I take back my insults at Mosley and I'm now watching Atom which I find more interesting. Jim Al-Kahlili rocks.
I also ignore your war declaration as I haven't read into this Forum-based war procedure. When I know it thoroughly, I may decide to call you unto a battle.
For now, farewell my fiendish frieeends.

[Vinco Caudex]

Hmm. Moseley is one of a few practising TV scientists. I don't think the BBC had much choice.

[VendusDragon]

OK THIS IS A WAR!!!
Can we just fight for fun...plus it won't really matter as it won't affect your country that much!

[Kingly Beings]

I'm happy to fight for fun, but let me find out about how to conduct NS Wars, first!

P.S. Michael. J. Mosley himself spells it Mosley, not Moseley, Vinco Caudex!

[Tramp Level 20]

In the event of war, I, an alternative account to Kingly Beings, wish to join in!

[VendusDragon]

Good, have you found out how to fight?
You don't need to research it that much

[Vinco Caudex]

Vinco Caudex has sent 6000 soldiers to aid VendusDragon in his invasion of Kingly Beings. The rest are being used to fortify the lands of Vinco Caudex. 尹都 gives commands that the 6000 soldiers must not be commanded by the VendusDragonian army but must work alongside the VendusDragonian forces.

[VendusDragon]

Thank you Vinco Caudex.

I think we must form a coalition attack. It would be a lot more affective.

I am making a land invasion. YOU mush join in Yanbo for this attack to work. I will send my fleet of the first EXECUTIONER BB (there are three types) this is the BB. The fleet will assemble near your lands and gather up a land invasion force from you, and then I will transport them to Kingley Beings land (you don't need much more than 1 more corps (40k troops)). I will guard the fleet with my air force and maybe a little of yours aswell. You must also make a attack plan, but you must need my help with it or else it won't be a coalition attack.

Saumitre, I will give Yanbo the land I conquered as he had the main land force.

[Tramp Level 20]

You seem to have decided that a War has already begun but I've just read this:

Q: Ok, I want to go to war! What do I do?
A: Well, first off you have to get a few things down before you rush off to battle. Some things you should think of before you attack another nation are:

* Why are you attacking that nation/alliance/region? What did they do to warrant a strike by your military?
* Is your military capable of fighting large scale, protracted wars?

Good Reasons for War:
1. Attack on your nation/territory
2. Attack on an ally
3. Human rights violations
4. WMD possession
5. Conquest

Bad Reasons for War:
1. His leader insulted mine!
2. I want to rule teh world!!!1111Shift+1
3. He said my mom was fat!

As you can see, we started this war on Bad Reason #1. I don't think your War Declaration is valid.

I fire my invincible, infinite-ammo I.G.N.O.R.E Cannons until you find a sufficient reason to do war with me.

EDIT: I am sorry, but I will use this filibustering technique to build up my army!

[Vinco Caudex]

Oh. We just wanted to see who was better. It was all a joke war.

[VendusDragon]

Yes, Yanbo is right this is a joke war...not one that affects your economy. We shall give back you land

[Kingly Beings]

Okay! I've used a NationStates Calculator to find out all our military/defence budgets. I propose we use these to decide how much we can use in one go, and not how much we can use altogether, as we'd definitely run out. Also, I will multiply this by the average of our "Government Efficiency"s and "Worker Enthusiasm"s to find out the real budget.

In alphabetical order:

Nation	WA Category	Economy Rating	Defence Budget	Government Efficiency	Worker Enthusiasm	Average	Total Military Budget
Kingly Beings	Inoffensive Centrist Democracy	Fair	$0	97%	72%	84.5%	0.845x0=$0
Tramp Level 20	Corporate Police State	All-Consuming	$979 billion	80%	57%	68.5%	0.685x979=$670.615 billion
VendusDragon	Moralistic Democracy	Strong	$570 billion	96%	74%	85%	0.85x570=$484.5 billion
Vinco Caudex	Corrupt Dictatorship	Developing	$499 billion	92%	70%	81%	0.81x499=$404.19 billion

Okay! Chocks away!

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Kingly Beings has ordered immediate evacuation of all citizens from the nation due to the unprecedented situation of a war arising. Clearly, none of Kingly Beings' officials had expected this as no money was aimed at the Defence Sector. The 523M citizens will trek on foot led by the Nation's officials. Of course, this will be a difficult feat but the Nation's Efficiency and budgets in other areas ensure that all citizens are handed adequate provisions and information regarding the journey.
They head for The Unassailable Hegemony of Tramp Level 20, a very distant land in an entirely new region, whose leader is planning to accept them in.
The journey route is of course very secret to all outside The Intellectual Oligarchy of Kingly Beings as one of the attacking, The Rationalistic Republic of Vinco Caudex, resides in a common region, but the citizens are nonetheless defenseless.
The voyage will take approx. 2 weeks.

A message has been sent to the leader of The Federal Republic of VendusDragon by telegram. Please reply.

Wishing you the very worst of luck in this war, from Kingly Beings.

[Tramp Level 20]

I will happily open the entrance to Tramp Level 20 but this involves lowering the PLANK OF DOOM and releasing the portcullis (it was the consequence of an issue - don't ask no mores!). The Plank of Doom, though large, will somewhat delay the quick entrance into the land...

Also, in response to the War, I have, in continuation of the Military Education Legislation which ordered all children 7+ to be given basic military training, reinstated the Child Conscription Legislation which I had been forced to remove some time ago due to public protest. Now, along with the adult military-men, almost all 17-year-olds and above will be training professionally in either Naval, Army or Air Force teams. All Under-17s have been removed of all education not concerning war. Curriculum now consists of:

Maths
Bio-Physics
Bio-Chemistry
Geography
Naval Teaching
Air Force Teaching
Army Teaching
First Aid
Fitness
Design & Technology.

The influx of Kingly Beingsites will provide us with insider knowledge of The Union of Augustus, most of the brains behind any schemes and a considerably larger working population to feed the Nation's economy and to provide, in turn, food for the Kingly Beingsites.

The construction of SAM and GTAM sites, containing several AA Gun Modules inside, has been ordered around the borders of the Nation (-$1 billion per site). An immense wall of Tungsten alloy has been commissioned, encompassing the nation (-$20 billion). A fleet of Sachsen-Class Frigates is being built to protect the land of Air-Based Attacks (-$1 billion per ship). A fleet of A10 Thunderbolts is also being built to attack ground-based victims directly in the opposing Nation and is uniquely, for its original design, equipped with BrahMos anti-naval ramjet torpedos (-$2 billion per aircraft).

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Sachsen Frigates:

The F124 Sachsen class is Germany's latest class of highly advanced air-defense frigates. The design of the Sachsen class frigate is based on that of the F123 Brandenburg class but with enhanced stealth features intended to deceive any opponent's radar and acoustic sensors and incorporate also the advanced multifunction radar APAR as well as the SMART-L long-range radar which is claimed to be capable of detecting stealth aircraft and stealth missiles. Although designated as frigates, they are in capability and size comparable to destroyers.

These ships were optimized for the anti-air warfare role. For this role the ships are equipped with an advanced sensor and weapons suite. The primary sensors for this role are the long range surveillance radar SMART-L and the multi-function radar APAR. The SMART-L and APAR are highly complimentary, in the sense that SMART-L is a D band radar providing very long range surveillance while APAR is an I band radar providing precise target tracking, a highly capable horizon search capability, and missile guidance using the Interrupted Continuous Wave Illumination (ICWI) technique, thus allowing guidance of 32 semi-active radar homing missiles in flight simultaneously, including 16 in the terminal guidance phase. The primary anti-air weapons are the point defence Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile and the area defence SM-2 IIIA.

A10 Thunderbolts:

The A-10 Thunderbolt II is an American single-seat, twin-engine, straight-wing jet aircraft developed by Fairchild-Republic in the early 1970s. The A-10 was designed for a United States Air Force requirement to provide close air support (CAS) for ground forces by attacking tanks, armored vehicles, and other ground targets with a limited air interdiction capability. It is the first U.S. Air Force aircraft designed exclusively for close air support.

The A-10 was designed around the GAU-8 Avenger, a heavy automatic cannon which forms the aircraft's primary armament. The aircraft's hull incorporates over 1,200 pounds (540 kg) of armor and was designed with survivability as a priority, with protective measures in place which enable the aircraft to continue flying even after taking significant damage.

The A-10's official name comes from the Republic P-47 Thunderbolt of World War II, a fighter that was particularly effective at close air support. The A-10 is more commonly known by its nickname "Warthog" or simply "Hog". As a secondary mission, it provides airborne forward air control, guiding other aircraft against ground targets. A-10s used primarily in this role are designated OA-10. The A-10 is expected to be replaced in 2028 or later.

Although the A-10 can carry considerable disposable stores, its primary built-in weapon is the 30 mm GAU-8/A Avenger Gatling-type cannon. One of the most powerful aircraft cannon ever flown, it fires large depleted uranium armor-piercing shells. In the original design, the pilot could switch between two rates of fire: 2,100 or 4,200 rounds per minute; this was changed to a fixed rate of 3,900 rounds per minute. The cannon takes about half a second to come up to speed, so 50 rounds are fired during the first second, 65 or 70 rounds per second thereafter. The gun is precise; it can place 80% of its shots within a 40-foot (12.4 m) circle from 4,000 feet (1,220 m) while in flight. The GAU-8 is optimized for a slant range of 4,000 feet (1,220 m) with the A-10 in a 30 degree dive.

BrahMos torpedos:

BrahMos is a supersonic cruise missile that can be launched from submarines, ships, aircraft or land. It is a joint venture between India's Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and Russia's NPO Mashinostroeyenia who have together formed BrahMos Aerospace Private Limited.

The acronym BrahMos is perceived as the confluence of the two nations represented by two rivers, the Brahmaputra of India and the Moskva of Russia. It travels at speeds of Mach 2.5 to 2.8. It is about three-and-a-half times faster than the USA's subsonic Harpoon cruise missile. A hypersonic version of the missile is also presently under development (Lab Tested with 5.26 Mach Speed).

Though India had wanted the BrahMos to be based on a mid range cruise missile, namely P-700 Granit, instead Russia opted for the shorter range sister of the missile, P-800 Oniks, in order to comply with MTCR restrictions, to which Russia is a signatory. Its propulsion is based on the Russian missile, and guidance has been developed by BrahMos Corp.

BrahMos claims to have the capability of attacking surface targets as low as 10 meters in altitude. It can gain a speed of Mach 2.8, and has a maximum range of 290 km. The ship-launched and land-based missiles can carry a 200 kg warhead, whereas the aircraft-launched variant (BrahMos A) can carry a 300 kg warhead. It has a two-stage propulsion system, with a solid-propellant rocket for initial acceleration and a liquid-fueled ramjet responsible for sustained supersonic cruise. Air-breathing ramjet propulsion is much more fuel-efficient than rocket propulsion, giving the BrahMos a longer range than a pure rocket-powered missile would achieve.

The high speed of the BrahMos likely gives it better target-penetration characteristics than lighter subsonic cruise-missiles such as the Tomahawk. Being twice as heavy and almost four times faster than the Tomahawk, the BrahMos has almost 32 times the initial kinetic energy of a Tomahawk missile (although it pays for this by having only 3/5 the payload and a fraction of the range despite weighing twice as much, suggesting a different tactical paradigm to achieve the objective).

Although BrahMos is primarily an anti-ship missile, it can also engage land based targets. It can be launched either in a vertical or inclined position and is capable of covering targets over a 360 degree horizon. The BrahMos missile has an identical configuration for land, sea, and sub-sea platforms. The air-launched version has a smaller booster and additional tail fins for added stability during launch. The BrahMos is currently being configured for aerial deployment with the Su-30MKI as its carrier.

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20x-$1 billion = -$20 billion
100x-$1 billion = -$100 billion
100x-$2 billion = -$200 billion
1x-$20 billion = -$20 billion

Tot = -$340 billion
Balance for this turn = $670.615 billion $330.615 billion

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NOTE: I think that, as I have done with Kingly Beings' journey to Tramp Level 20, we should have journeys and journey times to allow interceptions. I propose that we cannot say "I send @@RANDOMNUMBER@@ troops to your nation" when the nations are not in the same region and therefore cannot be bordering them.

Also, I propose we enter our turn balance, which starts every turn (post) from our Military budget. Here, I've got my budget of $670.615 billion and my actions have reduced it to $330.615 billion. Likewise, VendusDragon will start with $484.5 billion and Vinco Caudex will start with $404.19 billion. Of course, you may receive issues which you feel may have increased your budget. If so, inform me and I'll check on the NS Calculator to see whether it has.

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Wishing you the worst of luck in this war, Tramp Level 20.

[VendusDragon]

OK....

So how much of your population do you plan on putting into this war.

I am putting 2.5%
Here's a bit of my stats

40% of people into the navy
20% of people into the ground force
40% of people into the air force
(yes you must do this as well)


5 Executioner class battleships (I am terribly sorry, but due to my advanced weapons research and Naval superiority (which is probably true), this is the most powerful battleship known to our war ( I made it ). I am willing to send you more information about this battleship, you can even buy it after the war, I might give you a discount) But navy is my strongest thing, so you will beat me at ground forces, which Yanbo is good at.
Due to my point defence laser systems your Brah-Mos will be tricky to counter but EXBB (Executioner class battleship) has plenty of anti-aircraft and laser defence systems and quite tough armour. This ship is fast because of special technology (contact me). The missiles aren't such a problem. Total Cost=18billion in total.

20 Iowa class battleships. These are modern tech ships, I modernised it. Total Cost=40billion

20 Yamato class battleships. These are also modern tech ships. Total Cost=40billion

10 SuperYamato class battleships; modernised. Total Cost=40billion

14 Aircraft carriers, Nimitz+planes (I'll tell you more about what planes later). Total Cost=50billion

Many smaller ships Total cost=8 million

100 Big Troop transports (Sea). Total Cost=10billion

300 Anthrax missile armed Apaches, total cost=1billion

100 Chinooks. Cost=3billion

+submarines

The battleships are MUCH MUCH BIGGER than your frigates.

Can you add up the total, thanks.

The Fleet comes to Vinco Caudex, to pick up the troops (You can't do anything about this at the moment)

Ok...Yanbo's turn now