[TWI ONLY][OOC] Baumish-Romancian Conflict

[Baumes]

Baumish-Romancian Conflict

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OOC | IC | Dispatch

Enough was enough.

For far too long, Romancia has felt mistreated, neglected and bullied by Baumes. They had enough of centuries of Baumish administration and finally declares independence. However, Baumes was not going down with a fight. On March 19 2023, Baumes launches a "special operations" invasion into Romancia, causing a disbalance into the peace and security of the isles. Betrayals, newfound friendships and among many others. The Baumish-Romancian conflict also proves to be a threat in the diplomacy network.

Anyone who is a member of The Western Isles and its regional map is free to take part in this roleplay. This is the OOC thread, meant for discussion, brainstorming and inquiries relating to the roleplay.

Currently, there are three sides to the conflict; Pro-Romancia, Pro-Baumes or Neutral. If you would like to be added on the list please state your stances and actions below and post it on your news (for verification).

Pro-Romancia:
- Romancia
- Vacrus
- Ioudaia
- Kravato
- Cyrosia
- Bavarno
- Nisryn
- Domanania

Pro-Baumes:
- Baumes
- Esterazdravo
- Kaskalma
- Wellsia
- Gorvonia

Neutral:
- Costavozka
- Uprea
- Renet
- Dothrakia

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[b][size=200]Opinion and Involvement on the Conflict[/size][/b]

[b]1. Which side are you supporting?[/b]

[b]2. Prior the war, what was your relationship with the two parties?[/b]

[b]3. What interest does your country have in the conflict?[/b]

[b]4. How are you going to get involved?[/b]

[Bavarno]

Not getting involved quite yet, but after I hold a snap election and get more liberal parties in control, I will be pro-Romancia

[Ioudaia]

...with my IC post, both of the Ioudaian advance teams, diplomatic and military, have entered the theater. I'll be busy most of today, but I might get another post up tonight for their initial meeting with the Romancian government.

Baumes: could you post the list of Romancian government officials you TGd me so that everybody has it?

[Kaskalma]

Opinion and Involvement on the Conflict

1. Which side are you supporting?
Baumes

2. Prior the war, what was your relationship with the two parties?
Positive with Baumes, nonexistent with the separatist terrorists (jk)
3. What interest does your country have in the conflict?
Officially: Ensuring regional stability, national security Unofficially: economic gain, an excuse to increase military spending
4. How are you going to get involved?
I would like to supply military and economic aid to Baumish forces and deploy a mechanized brigade to the conflict zone (with Baumish approval of course)

[Alteran Republics]

I'm a little confused, and will need to clarify before I consider getting involved.
In your description you state Romancia has had 'enough' of the Baumes administrations - suggesting they're part of your nation - but then at the same time they have their own government. Are they part of Baumes and seeking independence, or have a devolved government and are fighting for yet more independence?

Either way, until now, how has Romancia got to this point? Have they sought independence diplomatically or jumping straight to fighting independence? What has prompted the military response by the Baumes government? Isn't Baumes already destabilised because of the internal conflicts with cartels - or has that storyline been dropped?

[Kravato]

I've made a couple of news posts and TWItter posts about our involvement in the Romancian War (So far evacuating refugees and sending weapons and supplies) but I do plan on getting more involved with Romancian resistance fighters in occupied territory. Getting involved on the surface for humanitarian reasons, but really it is just an excuse to test our military and logisitics capabilities.

Opinion and Involvement on the Conflict

1. Which side are you supporting?
Romancia
2. Prior the war, what was your relationship with the two parties?
Neutral with Baumes, sympathetic to Romancia
3. What interest does your country have in the conflict?
On the surface, for humanitarian reasons. Really, we want to test our military and logistics capabilities as well as develop previously mentioned spy ring.
4. How are you going to get involved?
We have already started an airlift bringing refugees to Kravato and sending supplies to Romancia. We will later send military units to protect airstrips and aid the resistance with weapons. Later, we will train some of the refugees to go back to Romancia to continue the fight.

[Costavozka]

Opinion and Involvement on the Conflict

1. Which side are you supporting?
(See #4)

2. Prior the war, what was your relationship with the two parties?
Allied to Baumes, did not recognize Romancia.

3. What interest does your country have in the conflict?
Maintaining peace and stability in Argus (on the surface), ensuring we are taken seriously as a major power in Argus.

4. How are you going to get involved? That entirely depends on the reaction of the current belligerents in this conflict. Initially, Costavozka attempted to use soft power in an attempt to achieve peace talks. Now, as it seems that this was ignored, Costavozka aims to apply more pressure- primarily by imposing economic restrictions*- and attempting to achieve peace talks once more. Should that fail, the Western Isles may just see Costavozka formally pick a side (more than likely Romancia- despite relations with Baumes- in order to ensure proper and fair negotiations take place). Following the conclusion of the conflict, Costavozka will attempt to restore relations with all former belligerents.

*If you have an OOC problem with this and would be impacted by this, please let me know via DMs/telegrams.

[Wellsia]

Will support Baumes against the terrorist organization in Romancia. Can’t have minorities thinking they can declare themselves independent at will. Will assist Baumes with financial and military weapons, specialists to help train Baumes troops, military intervention if conflict spreads.

[Baumes]

Baumes: could you post the list of Romancian government officials you TGd me so that everybody has it?

Sure, here are the relevant ones, any others needed feel free to ask me so.

President: Georgi Arsov
Vice President: Nikita Barides
Speaker of the Parliament: Vadim Anatoly
Secretary of Defence: Stefanos Anthou
Secretary of Foreign Affairs: Aleksandar Dunović

I'm a little confused, and will need to clarify before I consider getting involved.
In your description you state Romancia has had 'enough' of the Baumes administrations - suggesting they're part of your nation - but then at the same time they have their own government. Are they part of Baumes and seeking independence, or have a devolved government and are fighting for yet more independence?

Either way, until now, how has Romancia got to this point? Have they sought independence diplomatically or jumping straight to fighting independence? What has prompted the military response by the Baumes government? Isn't Baumes already destabilised because of the internal conflicts with cartels - or has that storyline been dropped?

Hi, thanks for the inquiries.

Romancia is indeed a breakaway state, with its own government and constitution and all that. However, Baumes recognizes them as a part of Baumes, and their government as a terrorist organisation. So yes they are seeking full independence and recognition from Baumes. Hope that clarifies that.

Romancia has sought independence diplomatically and has already set up a functioning government. Their fighting is in response to Baumes invading them in the first place, which is mainly due to them being labelled as terrorists and Baumes promising to promote "peace" in the area. They honestly didn't expect a retaliation from Romancia and hoped for a quick, smooth operation.

Baumes is still plagued with cartels, although not as violent as initially planned. The drug war which we talked about on the Discord has been dropped, mainly due to the lack of participants and the tight timeline i've planned for Baumes this entire year. So feel free to disregard that too.

[Alteran Republics]

Okay, thanks Baumes that clears a few things up. Now for the formation of the Romancian government; did they form a government once they declared their intent to break away or was it formed long before they declared independence.

It seems it happened in such a short time frame - was there a locally held referendum on independence? Is the government formed of local politicians? Businessmen? Warlords? Has Romancia ever enjoyed independence in the past - or has it walkways been part of Romancia?

[Uprea]

Opinion and Involvement on the Conflict

1. Which side are you supporting?
Uprea has previously been neutral and promoted a diplomatic approach in this conflict. In accordance with the reaction from the SSA, a travel ban has been put in place and a general sanctioning of the war itself. The SSA and its member nations also take on war refugees and have made it clear that they will continue promoting the diplomatic solution to the conflict.
Now with Baumes continuously appearing as the aggressor in this conflict, hitting civilian targets and with the details regarding Romancia clearing up (specifically referring to the answers given to Altera), I believe a change of course might happen in the future towards a Pro-Romancia side. If this should happen Uprea will also pitch the support in the SSA, which would cause the entire SSA (including Kayevies and Aeteros) to consider supporting Romancia.

2. Prior the war, what was your relationship with the two parties?
The Government already had a suspicious relation to Baumes, specifically because of its horrible environmental policy. Other than that the relations have been very neutral. Regarding Romancia, Uprea did not really have any diplomatic ties.

3. What interest does your country have in the conflict?
I dont believe Uprea itself has any interest in the conflict other than promoting peace and diplomacy.

4. How are you going to get involved?
That very much depends on how the situation continues. As of now Uprea itself remains neutral, however with Baumes continuing this war as the aggressor, that may change in the future. I can however say with certainty, that no uprean troops, neither through a national intervention or an international intervention together with member nations of the SSA, will be sent to support either side in this conflict. Other measures may be possible, depend however heavily on the opinion of the other members of the SSA.

[Cyrosia]

Opinion and Involvement on the Conflict

1. Which side are you supporting?
Well, Cyrosia already recognized Romancia as a sovereign state, so pro-Romancia in that sense, although it's important to highlight the continuous refusal to use violent measurements or get actively involved in the actual fighting (might change depending on how the conflict develops further, as stated on point 4).

2. Prior to the war, what was your relationship with the two parties?
Didn't recognize Romancia, neutral with Baumes

3. What interest does your country have in the conflict?
Officially it is ensuring stability in the region and preventing Human Rights violations in TWI. Unofficially, expanding the growing influence of the KCOI (Kyrushaar Central Office of Intelligence), economic gains, an excuse to develop a national arms industry, and also to counter the involvement of Esterazdravo and Kaksalma as a way to be taken seriously as a regional power in the Mesder Sea.

4. How are you going to get involved?
As of now, aid to Romancia is being sent via humanitarian missions consisting of medics and supplies. These missions (as previously discussed with you via TG), are also smuggling Romancian refugees to Cyrosian territory. Depending on how the situation progresses, we might even aim to cooperate with what Kravato said related to training Romancian resistance fighters. Cyrosia would also establish a special unit of the KCOI in Rochelle to aid the Romancian forces with intelligence, to give them an edge over the Baumish.

More on the official involvement here.

[Wellsia]

When this started Vacrus reported send two divisions to Romancia, was this rhetoric or are foreign troops in Romancia?

[Ioudaia]

When this started Vacrus reported send two divisions to Romancia, was this rhetoric or are foreign troops in Romancia?

I have the same question, as well as a related question: is the Baumish Air Force able to maintain control of the airspace above Baumes and/or Romancia? Some IC posts suggests the answers are "maybe over Baumes" and "not really over Romancia".

[Baumes]

Okay, thanks Baumes that clears a few things up. Now for the formation of the Romancian government; did they form a government once they declared their intent to break away or was it formed long before they declared independence.

It seems it happened in such a short time frame - was there a locally held referendum on independence? Is the government formed of local politicians? Businessmen? Warlords? Has Romancia ever enjoyed independence in the past - or has it walkways been part of Romancia?

The government was formed around a few weeks prior to before they declared independence.

Yes, it was squeezed into a short time I must admit. Referendrums were done with Romancia voting for independence, but Baumes suspensed it. The local government is mainly local politicians and independence movement activists, along with some businessmen. Warlords? Probably to a smaller extent in the countryside, who mainly rule over small villages and all that.

Most of the present-day territories of mainland Baumes were formerly Doraltic colony, including Romancia. They immediately were integrated into Baumes. So they haven't had actual independence for at least 300 years.

When this started Vacrus reported send two divisions to Romancia, was this rhetoric or are foreign troops in Romancia?

They did indeed send actual troops to Romancia, probably a thousand or so if I recall.

I have the same question, as well as a related question: is the Baumish Air Force able to maintain control of the airspace above Baumes and/or Romancia? Some IC posts suggests the answers are "maybe over Baumes" and "not really over Romancia".

Baumes has (mostly) been able to maintain control over the airspace in Baumes and Romancia. Exception would be Skovina and surrounding areas, which are too hard to take over without the risk of getting shot down bt Romancians. But outside that, the lack of actual anti-aircraft systems allows Baumes to maintain that airspace.

Romancia doesn't have a readily available capable fleet of fighters or anti-aircraft systems to counter Baumish airstrikes basically.

[Bavarno]

Opinion and Involvement on the Conflict

1. Which side are you supporting?
Romancia
2. Prior the war, what was your relationship with the two parties?
Bavarno didnt really have that strong of a relationship with either, and remained neutral.
3. What interest does your country have in the conflict?
Publicly, to ensure that the right of self-determination is upheld in Romancia. Privately, to establish a friendly relationship with an independent Romancia and allow Bavarnan companies to expand to a new market with little regulation.
4. How are you going to get involved?
Sending money, military aid (notably anti-aircraft systems), humanitarian aid, and providing help for refugees.

[Wellsia]

Follow up: Has Baumish troops engaged in combat with Vacrusian and/or other foreign forces turning this from a rebellion into a foreign war? Has the Baumish government declared Romancia a no fly zone giving them the right to shoot down any aircraft crossing the region?
Does Baumes want assistance with military trainers or actual combat troops from Wellsia?

[Ioudaia]

Baumes has (mostly) been able to maintain control over the airspace in Baumes and Romancia. Exception would be Skovina and surrounding areas, which are too hard to take over without the risk of getting shot down bt Romancians.

Baumish air superiority is not as complete as I expected. Maybe I'll send in a larger force than the one I TGd you about. Not much larger, though, due to practical logistical limitations.

[Baumes]

Follow up: Has Baumish troops engaged in combat with Vacrusian and/or other foreign forces turning this from a rebellion into a foreign war? Has the Baumish government declared Romancia a no fly zone giving them the right to shoot down any aircraft crossing the region?
Does Baumes want assistance with military trainers or actual combat troops from Wellsia?

Baumes and Vacrus has not been in direct combat yet, mainly due to Vacrusian troops only being stationed in Skovina, which Baumes has barely touched. Vacrus is the only nations with foreign troops in Romancia. Conflict between the two could happen soon though.

Commercial planes have been banned from entering Romancia or surrounding areas. Baumes is yet to officially declare it a no-fly zone, but basically all planes except humanitarian aid has been banned from flying in and out of Romancia. However, with the only airport in Romancia being deep in Romancian territory, it's hard for Baumes to monitor and intercept any sort of planes operating in the airport, which is probably why some military equipment was still able to be smuggled in.

[Esterazdravo]

Opinion and Involvement on the Conflict

1. Which side are you supporting?
Baumes

2. Prior the war, what was your relationship with the two parties?
Reasonable relationship with Baumes. None with Romancia

3. What interest does your country have in the conflict?
Helping Baumes stop the uprising

4. How are you going to get involved?
A moderatly sized infantry and possible airdrops

[Ioudaia]

I have some questions so I understand what's happening IC...

Baumes: On the RMB, you said,

Basically a breakaway state in Baumes, they don't like the way we handle them but we don't want them to leave since they're a huge chunk of our gas.

Huh. I don't remember you mentioning the gas before. Is all the fighting near the gas fields?


Vacrus: You previously posted in the news thread,

"The Vacrusian government will send a number of 30 personnel from the 21st Military Division, 1,000 personnel from the 13th Military Division, and finally 500 personnel from the 3rd Military Division, hopefully this will keep the Baumish military at bay for some time, while also aiding the Romancian military with equipment. "

I sent a few guys to reconnoiter your units. Since there's only four of them, it'll take them a while to gather information, but I was wondering, what are these units you sent? Infantry (foot? motorized? mechanized?) Armor? What's the tiny unit consisting of just 30 guys?

Kravato: You posted,

The program would take maybe 4-5 days, but across all the camps, Cherman knew that they would return in force. Until then, he had work to do, and lots of it.

Erm, what do you expect to do with a bunch of raw recruits in 4-5 days?

[Kravato]

I have some questions so I understand what's happening IC...

Kravato: You posted,

The program would take maybe 4-5 days, but across all the camps, Cherman knew that they would return in force. Until then, he had work to do, and lots of it.

Erm, what do you expect to do with a bunch of raw recruits in 4-5 days?

Oh, meant to change that to weeks but forgot to get around to it before posting. I'll edit it to the right time, probably 3 to 4 weeks assuming most know how to handle basic weapons. We won't train them a huge amount, just very basic training. Thanks for pointing it out-I didn't realize until now.

[Baumes]

I have some questions so I understand what's happening IC...

Baumes: On the RMB, you said,

Basically a breakaway state in Baumes, they don't like the way we handle them but we don't want them to leave since they're a huge chunk of our gas.

Huh. I don't remember you mentioning the gas before. Is all the fighting near the gas fields?

Thanks for the question, it seems I forgot to discuss this.

So Baumes says the invasion is a peacekeeping operation to get rid of the rebels, who Baumes considers to be terrorists. But the real reason Baumes wants to hang on to Romancia is their gas fields, and gas is one of our main exports. Baumes tries to hide the fact that they're just there for the gas but it's already quite obvious.

Not all the fighting are in the gas fields. Baumes' main goal is to push into major cities, especially Skovina where rebels are mainly headquartered. Baumes believes that by doing so, the rebels elsewhere would mainly fall apart and they can easily be captured later on. However, Baumes has tried to regain a few gas fields, most attempts of which ended in complete failure.

[San Montagna]

Yo, given this is happening directly next to me, I should probably be more involved in this. haven't really decided wether to back a side or stay neutral.

Would it be possible to get a bit of a rundown of what's been going on so far? All I can really gather so far is that Romancians were being mistreated a bit and then revolted against Baumes, and Baumes wants to keep gas fields.

[Ioudaia]

haven't really decided wether to back a side or stay neutral.

Ioudaia could send you a delegation and make ethical and/or practical arguments why you should suport Romancia, depending on how your government views the world.

Would it be possible to get a bit of a rundown of what's been going on so far? All I can really gather so far is that Romancians were being mistreated a bit and then revolted against Baumes, and Baumes wants to keep gas fields.

That's pretty much the scenario. A few nations, Vacrus, Kravato, Cyrosia, and Ioudaia, have sent troops, spies, and/or diplomats to Romancia. Other nations are accepting refugees and/or are providing humanitarian relief to Romancia. (There's apparently a corridor for humanitarian relief which is apparently being abused by several nations to insert forces.)